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Larry Bosworth Davies married Sarah ? - Children Mabel b. 17 Feb 1917, Peggy, Malcolm and Tucker. Mabel married Joseph Griffiths 1942 in East Radnor, Wales. Larry and wife Sarah were living in Presteigne, Radnorshire (Powys) 1940's onwards. I have found a birth for Mabel Mar qtr 1917 Radnor, mother Morris but the family seem to think the mother's surname should be Wilson!!!
Larry Bosworth Davies had sisters Koreen, Kerralea and Victoria. The story is that they came over from Ireland, when I don't know. I have spent days trying to find a trace of this family in England/Wales with no luck.
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I have found a birth for Mabel Mar qtr 1917 Radnor, mother Morris but the family seem to think the mother's surname should be Wilson!!!
could she have been a widow?
eadaoin
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... The story is that they came over from Ireland, when I don't know ...
Is that absolutely everything you can provide on any Irish connection?
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Yes, I suppose she could have been a widow. The story goes that Mabel, or maybe it was Mabel's mother?? was intelligent and she came, or was brought over to England/Wales for her education.
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You'll need to start with more recent events then try to work back to fill in some dates then see if you can identify a link to Ireland.
If Larry Bosworth Davies was having children by 1917 then there's the 1911 English/Welsh census (we can't do lookups for it) and the 1911 Irish census (free)-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
The sisters' names are very distinctive but none of the first or last names you've mentioned, other than 'Wilson', give any indication of an Irish connection.
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I agree with you entirely- but I have drawn a blank on the English/Welsh census. I'll try the Irish. With the distinctive names I thought it would all be a 'piece of cake'. Ha, Ha.
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Let's start with the 'facts' that you already have.
1) "Children Mabel b. 17 Feb 1917, Peggy, Malcolm and Tucker" where does Mabel's exact date of birth come from? do you have her birth certificate? and the names of her siblings?
2) "Mabel married Joseph Griffiths 1942 in East Radnor, Wales" do you have the marriage certificate? if not, have you found it in the marriage index?
3) "Larry Bosworth Davies had sisters Koreen, Kerralea and Victoria." other than family heresay, do you have any more details about them?
4) "Larry and wife Sarah were living in Presteigne, Radnorshire (Powys) 1940's onwards." Any idea when and where they died? Do you have an exact address?
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Hi There
By saying Larry married Sarah ?, I take it that means you haven't even gotten their marriage certificate OR any of their children's births certs.
I'm sorry but you need to do a LOT of work on getting actual certificates before looking for the family.
Tara
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There again, I agree entirely, but I can't find any of the children's births, nor Larry's marriage. That is why I thought there might be something in Ireland.
1. The birth date comes from Mabel's death certificate and her son. Mabel's siblings, again from her son. 2. The name of Mabel's father, Larry, and mother Sarah, from Mable's son (his grandfather & grandmother) 3. No details. 4. I made a blunder there - It is Mabel and Joseph who lived in Presteigne. Mable's son does not know where his grandparents lived, he thought possibly Ireland.
I'm now trying to find out if there are any other relations who can throw any light on the problem.
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1) since Mabel's birthdate is from the death certificate there's room for error as the informant may not have gotten the date correct.
2) Mabel's marriage certificate should list the name & occupation of her father. I had a quick look in the indexes earlier but couldn't spot the entry in the index. see reply #12 for index details
My gut feeling is that the father's name is possibly Laurence/Lawrence or something other than 'Larry.' I'm also concerned that there seem to be no sign of any of them although that could be down to too few details or incorrect assumptions.
Questions for Mabel's son (if you are in contact). Does he remember meeting Mabel's parents or Larry's sisters? or even remember hearing of their deaths when they happened.
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Hi There
Would I be right in saying that this is not YOUR family tree and hence the confusion ?
It's always tricky to do a tree based on passed down information !
This gentleman that you mention (son of Mabel) have you got HIS birth certificate ?
I think this would be the best starting point.
Obviously as he is alive we wouldn't want you to print his details here BUT if you could then let us know if his birth cert confirms that Mabel Davis and Joseph Griffiths WERE in fact his parent's names.
Sorry, this is not to appear rude but you'd be AMAZED at how many errors can be made with at tree at the very start.
Tara
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Hi There
Can you give us a rough estimate of the age of the gentleman whom you are helping ?
It's just I'm wondering if his Mum's name was actually MARY and that her nickname was MABEL !
I am finding a few MARY DAVIES / JOSEPH GRIFFITHS marriages but need to narrow down a time frame !
Tara
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Late last night I found the marriage in index:
Mabel Davies/ Joseph Griffiths
Apr./JUne 1942 Radnorshire East volume 11b page 309
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Well Done You Aghadowey ;D
Tara
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It's the only bit of information that matches up with the details we've been given so far. The certificate should list the name and occupation of the bride's father.
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Correct Aghadowey.
Skylark, I suggest you get this moved to the Wales board ~ there are still WAY too many variables on this tree that are ALL still in WALES.
I think IF you do get an Irish lead then you should get back to us.
It's just that on a Welsh board there may be people whom recognise these names !
Good Luck
Tara
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Thank you all for your time and suggestions. I thought this would be easy with the unusual names but I am hitting blank walls all of the time - I think perhaps that there is some major information missing that the family has kept quiet about. I'll go back to my friend to see how serious he is about me going further, as you say, and starting with the basics.
I hope I will be in touch with you all in the future. Thanks again.
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The problem may be that the details he's been told or assumed are slightly wrong. For example, the unusual name 'Kerralea" could turn out to be the more ordinary name Caroline, etc.
If you need help with recent details that you can't post online feel free to send me a PM.