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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: Old-Bonez on Thursday 09 October 14 10:54 BST (UK)
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I have an Australian Tucker falily that I'm wishing to find the roots of. I have found a shipping record of 1877 of their arrival into Sydney.
William Tucker arrived with his wife Rachel 7th May 1877 and she gave bith to son William John Tucker later that same year. A BDM search reveals 2 other siblings.
The ship was the Delhousie that departed Plymouth 26 Jan 1877. Its records reveal:
William Tucker age 26 (birth ABT 1851)
Occupation: Mason
Wife Rachel age 24 (birth ABT 1853)
Religion for both: Wesleyan
Both could Read & Write
Native place for both: Cornwall
I also searched the ships records for other Tuckers but drew a blank. They were assisted imigrants.
Sadly I cannot find death records in Australia for this couple. I do not know Rachels maiden name or date of marriage but I'd guess 1876/7 as they had no children with them.
Son William married into my family.
Any information on this couple would be very warmly received.
Regards Rob
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A tree on Ancestry states William Tucker b.12/5/1850 Altarnun, Cornwall, son of John Tucker and Elizabeth Searle, married 29/12/1876 Penryn, Cornwall to Rachel Williams. William shown to have died 1916 and Rachel in 1915 although simply states they died in Australia.
Annette
PS Just found marriage on Cornwall OPC and as already stated they actually married 19/12/1876 (not 29) Constantine.
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Ancestry has a marriage for William Tucker - Father John Tucker birthdate 1850
Married a Rachel Williams 19 December 1876 at Constantine, Cornwall.
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From Cornwall-OPC-database (.org):
Marriage, 19th December 1876 at Constantine
William Tucker, 26, Bachelor, of Constantine, Mason
Rachel Williams, 24, Spinster, of Constantine
Fathers: John Tucker (Mason) and Robert Williams (Miner)
Witnesses: William Bishop & Benjamin Pascoe
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1851 census?
Class: HO107; Piece: 1899; Folio: 11; Page: 14
Treween, Altarnun, Cornwall
Tucker, John Head M 41 Stone Mason b Landeart
Tucker, Elizabeth Wife F 37 b South Petherwin
Tucker, Lusia Daughter F 14 b South Petherwin
Tucker, Mary Daughter F 10 b Altarnun
Tucker, Martha Daughter F 6 b Altarnun
Tucker, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 b Altarnun
Tucker, John Son M 3
Tucker, William Son M 10 months Stone Mason's son b Altarnun
Jewels, Thomas Apprentice M 18
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Parents marriage?
14th April 1836 at South Petherwin
John Tucker, Bachelor, of this parish
Elizabeth Searle, Spinster, Sojourner in the Parish
Witnesses: Richard Holman jnr and Sarah Martin
A sojourner is a person who resides temporarily in a place.
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There is a death registration for a William Tucker for 1912
Father's name John
Mother's name Elizabeth
Registration Place Balmain North, New South Wales
Registration Number 4724
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And there it all is. The 1877 date is back to 1810. You folk on RootsChat are the best.
Let me correct an error I made in my posting so all future researchers who find this post are not mislead. The name of the ship they arrived in Sydney was actually the "Earl Dalhousie".
Annette you were quick off the mark. I seldom use Ancestory because of errors that folk have entered into their system. It sure is a great place for leads though. I had searched NSW BDM for their deaths but with multiple finds I couldn't pick one from another besides there is family information saying that they moved to Western Aust. Searching the WA site was no easier because I was without their parents names to match things to. Did you find an actual family tree on Ancestory or just records Annette?
Grandies uncovered another great lead on Ancestory which was proven by Garrad with his multiple finds which proved that everyone was on the right track all along. The 1851 census find certainly puts everybody in the right picture. So grateful.
Thanks to you all for your time and effort in taking the Tucker family back a further two generations.
If anybody has the urge to search for marriage info on siblings it would be much appreciated as I'd like to see if they followed William Tucker to Australia. Without married names I cannot check our passenger records.
How do I say that "I owe you one" and make it sound sincere. I am close to Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney if you ever need a photo or two.
Regards, Rob
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Looks like the family were Wesleyan Methodists?
Again from Cornwall OPC, Non-Conformist baptisms:
6th June 1850 at Altarnun Wesleyan Chapel
William Tucker (age 3weeks, 4 days) son of John & Elizabeth
20th January 1848 at Altarnun Weslyan Chapel
John Tucker (b25th December 1847) son of John & Elizabeth
15th August 1845 at Lewannick, Launceston Bible Christian Circuit
Eliza Tucker, daughter of John & Elizabeth
6th January 1840 at Altarnun, Launceston Wesleyan Methodist
Mary Tucker, daughter of John & Elizabeth
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Hi again,
I am afraid the Balmain death was a red herring - however I have searched the Trove digitised newspaper entries and found an Obituary notice for Rachael Tucker. dated 13 August 1915.
Her death is recorded as happening on 2nd August that year.
It confirms that she was born 1853, in Constantine, Cornwall, and married in 1875 to William Tucker.
More information confirms that they lived in New South Wales for 26 years, and lived in Western Australia for 12 years before she died. She died in Capel, near Bunbury in WA.
There is more information that could be valuable to you, including names of relatives, a Mr D Reid son in law.I have a pdf copy of the article. I will try to attach it in a pm.
The article mentions that she is survived by her husband William and 2 daughters and a son. I will see what else I can find.
Eileen
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More census data, now that I know we are on the right track!
1861 census: Class: RG 9; Piece: 1517; Folio: 3; Page: 2;
Treween, Altarnun
Tucker, John Head M 50 Stone Mason b Laneast
Tucker, Elizabeth Wife F 47 b South Petherwin
Tucker, Elizabeth Daughter F 15 Scholar b Altarnun
Tucker, John Son M 13 Scholar b Altarnun
Tucker, William Son M 10 b Altarnun
Tucker, Emma Daughter F 7 Scholar b Altarnun
Tucker, Richard W Son M 5 Scholar b Altarnun
1871 census: Class: RG10; Piece: 2222; Folio: 23; Page: 17
Penpont, Altarnun
Tucker, John Head M 62 Mason b Laneast
Tucker, Elizabeth Wife F 58 b Millbrook, Devon
Tucker, John Son M 23 Mason b Altarnun
Tucker, Emma Daughter F 17 Dressmaker b Altarnun
Anderson, William Boarder M 6 b Plymouth
1881 census: Class: RG11; Piece: 2274; Folio: 17; Page: 5
Penpont, Altarnun
Tucker, John Head M 73 Mason b Laneast
Tucker, Elizabeth Wife F 66 b Devon, Millbrook, Maker
Pearman, Adelaide Florence Granddaughter F 12 Soldier's Daughter b Ireland
1841 Census: Class: HO107; Piece: 140; Book: 2; Folio: 9; Page: 11
Treween, Altarnun
Tucker, John M 30 Mason
Tucker, Elizabeth F 25
Tucker, Lusia F 4
Tucker, Mary F 1 all born in county
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The Ancestry tree just shows his parents.
The tree shows 4 children to William and Rachel:
William John b.1878 Sydney (birth index states 1877)
Lilly b.1880 Sydney
Robert Edward Lancelot b.1884 Waterloo, NSW, d.1907
Frederick Roland Thomas Henry b.1/11/1888 Marrickville, NSW - d.20/8/1962 Western Australia (married to Ethel Rosina Payne 1909 W.A.)
From Rachel's obituary sounds like there was another daughter.
Annette
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No Annette,
That was my mistake. The Obit mentioned 2 sons and 1 daughter.
Son in law Mr D Reid.
I must be dyslexic and got it the wrong way round :)
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Lilly Tucker married David Blair Reid 1899 Fremantle, WA.
Annette
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Hey ... you guys have been busy whilst I'm sleeping the night away.
This morning I've been studying the Obit that Eileen supplied ... Oh what a picture it paints and I'm so grateful. My searches at WA BDM were horrible but then I found Cemetery records at http://www.ozburials.com/CemsWA/Capel/capel.htm which puts things in place. There are 16 Tuckers in this Cemetery which all could turn out to be descendants.
Apparently Lilly was Dave Reids 2nd wife and it still looks like no children to her although this looks like her "The Elgin School was opened in 1909 due to the efforts of Mrs D. B. Reid of 'Bridge farm'. Mrs Reid boarded the school teachers until 1924. During 1917 and 1918, Mr Reid rode to Stratham to get children to keep the school open. In 1936 the school closed when a school bus was introduced to take the children to Stratham."
I'll get back to you once I have gotten everything into the tree and I know just where I'm at.
Rob
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Hello again,
I am trying to upload a copy of Rachael Tucker's Obituary for the benefit of other researchers.
I have also found mention of "David Blair Reid Papers" on Google Books. The info reads...
"Diary of David Reid mainly describing the W.A. Goldfields 1894-1895. He was born in Brisbane 1875, left Sydney in 1894 at age 19 years and came to Albany where he travelled by train to the Goldfields. Married Lilly Tucker and had 5 children."
Apparently this is held in the State Library of Western Australia Hopefully link below,
http://beta.worldcat.org/archivegrid/?p=1&q=David+Blair+Reid+Papers (http://beta.worldcat.org/archivegrid/?p=1&q=David+Blair+Reid+Papers)
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Looks to me that John was illegitimate;
John TUCKER Baptised 23 July 1809, St. Sidwell and St. Gulval, Laneast, Cornwall
Mother ELIZTH. Tucker
(Source FreeREG)
(Cornwall OPC has same info with Mother as Elizth and Elizabeth, John a base child)
She also Baptised a THOMAS NORTHEY Tucker, 08 March 1807, and CATHERINE NORTHEY Tucker, 02 Oct 1803 same Church.
(FreeREG)
+ WILLIAM Tucker, 02 May 1813, Laneast (extra info, poor woman, residence Palmary*
(*no idea where/what this is)
1851 Census has a Thomas Tucker born c 1807 Laneast living in St Clether
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Getting all this into the tree I came across a few points.
The 1810 place of birth for John Tucker I believe should be spelt "Laneast" as this is the only place that Google Earth can locate. KG also has it spelt this way on the 1861 census info.
1861 Census no longer finds:
Lusia .. She would have been 24 and probably married or a maid elsewhere.
Mary .. She would have been 20.
Martha .. She would have been 16.
Additional 2 births:
Emma .. age 7 b. Altarnun
Richard W .. age 5 b. Altarnun
1871 Census:
Richard W Tucker missing .. He would have been 15.
Johns wife Elizabeth has had a change of Birthplace mysteriously to Devon however I believe the earlier South Petherwin is correct as it is very close to Johns birth place of Laneast.
Thanks again for your efforts KG.
Annette it sounds as if your Ancestory tree may just be from a WA based descendant. I'm still trying to get my head around Rachels Obit. and relating it to the Capel Cemetery records. It appears that Lilly Tucker, Her husband David B Reid as well as their daughter Thelma are all in the same grave. Remember that it was the Reids and Tuckers that started the town of Capel in 1904.
Where did you find the 1899 marriage info for Lilly?? I have seen 1804 before this new find. 1899 makes more sense as Thelma was born in 1900.
You also have Robert Edward Tucker 1884-1907 His death would have been in Capel but is not found in the Capel Cemetery records. Could you take another look at this as records speak only of 3 children??
His birth dates fits in well too as there was 8 years between Lilly & Frederick.
Ahhh Grandies .... I can't wait to look into the diary of David Reid ... What a great find you super sleuth you!
This data is coming in so quickly I'm flat out trying to get it down and into my tree and now we have Trish finding this 1809 baptism. It looks correct so I have double checked it against the 5 census finds which reveal birthdate of 1809 through to 1811 ... I'll have to mark your find as a a hit Trish. Just what do you mean by "John a base child"?
Your other Tucker finds as yet do not fit into the picture but they may in the near future. Thank you ever so much.
Now to see if I have time to read through that Diary before reaching for my pillow for the night.
It's hard to express my appreciation to you all
Kindest regards, Rob
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Base born = illegitimate!
Possible for Lusia?
1891 census, Class: RG12; Piece: 601; Folio: 26; Page: 46
28 Clyde Road, Beddington, Surrey
Harper, George Head M 57 Solicitors Accountant b Bristol
Harper, Mary E Wife F 59 b Brixham, Devon
Tucker, Louisa Single F 53 b Launceston, Cornwall
Taylor, Margaret Servant Widow F 36 Domestic Servant b Ashton under Lyne
1881 census: Class: RG11; Piece: 69; Folio: 56; Page: 13
2 Munster Terrace, Fulham, London
Sall, William Head Married M 69 Physician & Surgeon, Medical Officer, Fulham Prison b Wigan, Lancashire
Tucker, Louisa Unmarried F 43 Housekeeper b Launceston
Birth Registration
September qtr 1837
Launceston district vol , page 91
Tucker, Loueisa
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Hi Rob,
A Base Child is just another term for Illegitimate.
Trish :)
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Rob, I think the diary was with the state library W A and for reference only. May need a holiday?
We may have solved the riddle of Thelma.. I have found this record on the ancestry site.
Dorothy Thelma Eliza Reid born 1900, Midland Western Australia
Parents, David Blair Reid and Lillian Tucker.
Also David Robert Alexander Reid in 1903, same place and parents.
I will need to check for more, as the blurb re D B Reids diary mentioned 5 children.
Will need to bet back to to you.
Regards,
Eileen
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Thank you Grandies ... The 5 children were the next on my list to look up
I have found the death of Robert Edward Tucker and it's nice to say that NSW BDM seems to be working nicely for me again.
Lets hope it displays properly.
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G'morn all
5 Children they say to Lilly & David Reid. Here are my thoughts.
Working from the cemetery records http://www.ozburials.com/CemsWA/Capel/capel.htm We can presume that Thelma is their daughter as all 3 (Thelma, Lilly & David) are buried in the same plot.
Now from the comments on Thelma's grave we have REID, Thelma . Aged 29 . Died 3 March 1929 . Mother and sister of Dave, Jim, Mac and Doug. Grave No. 37 C of E B .... Now I translate it as saying that she was a mother ... I think it also says she was a sister to Dave, Jim, Mac and Doug ... Hmmm ... Did she die in childbirth and the child isn't named yet???
Since Thelma used the name Reid I presume she was unmarried. Can I have somebodies thoughts on this?? (That she was their daughter and she was unmarried)
From the state heritage records it says "In 1933, on lot 61, the site of the original homestead, Jim Reid built a new home called Thirimere'." So Jim is one of the sons. There is no Jim recorded in the cem index but there is a James b.ABT 1910 d. 2006. ...
WA BDM has: (remember that these births are only recorded at the place named & not necessarily born there)
David Robert Alexander Reid b.1903 at Leederville (Perth) to parents David Blair & Lilly Tucker
James WH Reid born Wellington (not too far) in 1910 ... No parents listed.
Douglas b. 1917 at Wellington.
So who is "Mac" ?? WA BDM has a Murvin T Tucker b.1912 at Wellington.
So do we have the 5 children??
Apologies for the silly comment on my last posting. The Reids & the Tuckers were among the first to purchase properties in the area. It was first explored around the 1830's.
Rob