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Title: George Edwards,
Post by: pete edwards on Friday 10 October 14 14:11 BST (UK)

Hi all  :)

not often I ask for a request, but can anybody on here confirm what I  suspect,

George Edwards married Sarah Rowe, 12 March 1808  Cound ( Shropshire ),  I have them on all census from 1841 onwards, this I know as fact,

I think George was born in Uffington,  son of James and Jane , 

Methinks there is a link with Ryton 11 towns,

Many thanks in advance for your time,

Pete,
Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: Alberbury on Friday 10 October 14 17:39 BST (UK)
Hello Pete,

From the information on 1841 and 1851 Census what is his date of birth ?
Also what is his profession ?
Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: Alberbury on Friday 10 October 14 18:14 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=199854.msg1002235#msg1002235

Pete's Puzzle, a similar thread.

Pete do you have the full marriage ?
Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 11 October 14 09:16 BST (UK)
Hiya Pete - I am a little confused .
according to Familysearch - George Edwards married Sarah Rowe in Condover 12th March 1808 - not Cound ...BUT ..
it also has a George Edwards in 1841 census born in 1791 in Cound ...this would make George Edwards only 17 at the marriage if he is the right George ??
can I ask where you found the marriage was in Cound ??
Margaret Edwards bap 5th june 1808 in Cound - parents George and Sarah - is this their firstborn ?
if so she was born 3 months after the marriage - so maybe George was only 17 and came from Cound and returned back to Cound after the marriage ?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NNQ3-W3V
where are George and Sarah in 1841 census - is it Cound ?....if so - it looks like the George b 1791 in Cound
Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: pete edwards on Saturday 11 October 14 12:20 BST (UK)

Thanks for the time all,   :)   I found this marriage by visiting Shropshire archives,  I.G.I.,  I am looking at a copy of the cert from the original, 

the marriage was by banns.

they both give there parish as Cound, try as I might I cannot find a George Edwards born in Cound, spent many hours in the archives ( only 15 mins walk ) trying,  witnesses,

In the presence of   Paul          Edwards
                             Margret    Evans

yes I think that Margret was the first born, 

Cound parish registers ( I have seen the orignals )

5      Jan     1808     Margret  d of  Geo and Sarah  Edwards
25   Feb      1816     Margret Edwards of Coundmoor  aged 7  buried

28  Feb    1859     George  Edwards of Coundmoor   aged 71  buried
9    sept   1868     Sarah   Edwards  of Coundmoor  aged  84 buried

I am prety certain that they may have been closet Catholics as there offspring were baptised at the nearby Acton burnell R/C church,

Again thanks for all your time :) :)

Pete

Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: KGarrad on Saturday 11 October 14 12:25 BST (UK)
they both give there parish as Cound, try as I might I cannot find a George Edwards born in Cound, spent many hours in the archives ( only 15 mins walk ) trying,  witnesses,

The parish mentioned on a marriage certificate is simply where they were living during the required qualifying period while the banns were called!

It most certainly does not imply they were born there!


I assume you are looking at the Parish Record, and not the IGI?
Marriage certificates only came into being on 1st July 1837! ;D
Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 11 October 14 12:33 BST (UK)
Silly question I suppose - but could Condover actually be Cound Over ?....a part of Cound ...?...gonna google Condover
added....no Condover is the correct spelling
by road they are 9 miles apart - but it is like going around a Horseshoe shaped road ...in effect across land I would say no more than 3 miles ...
Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: Alberbury on Saturday 11 October 14 17:06 BST (UK)
http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Cound.html
I have seen Edwards, from Cressage, only up the road.

Pete, have you checked neighbouring Parishes ?

Sorry, what was George Edwards, occupation ?

Paul Edwards, witness at the marriage, how does he fit in with your family ?

Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: Alberbury on Saturday 11 October 14 17:38 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=586680.msg4386150#msg4386150

Another thread, your as bad as me !
Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: Alberbury on Saturday 11 October 14 17:46 BST (UK)
http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/ActonBurnell.html

The baptisms for George and Sarah, do they match your Census returns ?



Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: pete edwards on Sunday 12 October 14 20:30 BST (UK)

Again thanks all for the time :)

Thanks Alberbury, this is my 3x grandad,

1829, Jan: 31 bap: Thomas, fil: Georgii et Sarae Edwards.
Pat: G. Partridge et Elizabetha Williams

He married Ellen Littlehales,  they went on to have a son called James who married Elaner Rudge, who in turn had a son called Charles he married Julia Maguire, they produced my late dad,

I think this is one of mine, but can any  good soul translate this entry ( wich I have nicked from Alberburby  :o )

" Die 21 nat: et 22 bap: Emma, fil: Georgii et Sarae Edwards.
Pat: W. Rogers et Maria Rowe.

George Edwards married Sarah Rowe, I have this couple on every census till the year they dont turn up,  Sarah is easy, Its Goerge Im stuck on,  I have spent many hours down at our local archives looking for him, I have looked at every nearby parish for a birth of George that might fit the said person with no luck, except for one, 

Uffington parish registers,

24  Jan  1786   George  son of  James and Jane Edwards  baptised,

Pete :) :)











Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: Alberbury on Saturday 07 March 15 11:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Pete,

If we group this family, can we bring them forward towards your family at Cound.

http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/Uffington.html

1778 Dec. 13. Elizabeth, d. of James & Jane Edwards ... bap.
1783 Jan. 21. Jane, d. of James & Jane Edwards ... bap.
1786  Dec. 24. George, s. of James & Jane Edwards, of Haughmon Demesne ... bap.
1789 Apr. 23. William, s. of James & Jane Edwards, born April 12 ... bap.
1791 Apr. 10. John, s. of James & Jane Edwards, of Haghmon Dem, born March 16 ... bap.
1793 Feb. 24. Joseph, s. of James & Jane Edwards, of Haghmon Demesne, born Feb. 1 ... bap.

1789 Oct. 26. Jane, d. of James & Jane Edwards, aged 7 years ... bur.
1790, Feb. 22. William, s. of James & Jane Edwards, of Haughmon Demesne, aged 10 mos. ... bur.



28  Feb    1859     George  Edwards of Coundmoor   aged 71  buried

From the burial you supplied, on the 1851 Census, where was George Edwards born?
If it has Uffington, great news.


Possible marriage.

James Edwards
England Marriages, 1538–1973
marriage:   6 February 1776   Saint Alkmund, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England   
spouse:   Jane Jones


Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: Alberbury on Friday 19 February 16 21:02 GMT (UK)
1841 C    Cound Moor    https://familysearch.org

George Edwards      M   50-54   Shropshire
Sarah Edwards      F   50-54   Shropshire
James Edwards      M   20-24   Shropshire
Thomas Edwards   M   13           Shropshire
Mary Edwards      F   20-24   Shropshire
Margaret Rowe      F   80-84   Shropshire


1851 C     Cound               

Geoe Edwards    Head   M   58 Ag Lab       Cound, Salop
Sarah Edwards    Wife    F   60                   Cound, Salop
Charles Edwards    Son      M   24                   Cound, Salop
Thomas Edwards Son      M   32                    Cound, Salop
Ann Edwards    Niece   F   10                   Cound, Salop
Emma Edwards    Niece   F   8                   Cound, Salop


1861 C    Coun Moor

Sarah Edwards     Head  F         76                           Cound, Shropshire
Charles Edwards     Son      M Unm 35     Farm Laborer       Cound, Shropshire


1871 C   Cound

Charles Edwards        Head           M  44   single   Ag Lab   Cound, Shropshire
Thomas Edwards     Brother   M  41                           Cound, Shropshire
Ellen Edwards        Sister-in-law   F   35                           Berrington, Shropshire
James Edwards        Nephew   M  13                           Fradley, Shropshire
George Edwards        Nephew   M  11                           Cound, Shropshire
Charles Edwards        Nephew   M    8                           Fradley, Shropshire
Thomas Edwards     Nephew   M    6                           Fradley, Shropshire
John Edwards        Nephew   M    1                           Cound, Shropshire
Sarah Ann Edwards Niece           F     8                           Acton Burnell, Shropshire
Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: Alberbury on Saturday 23 July 16 19:11 BST (UK)
http://www.uptonmagna.com/index.cfm/history/sundorne-estate-1777-survey/?startRow=57&nextNID=EC6386DE-976D-2521-33F737415F0713C8

0090 James Edwards, Edward Owen, Rich Davies's Widow.jpg

http://www.uptonmagna.com/default/cache/file/F1F032D3-A1B1-C731-5F0E4AE967A67BE1.jpg
Title: Re: George Edwards,
Post by: Alberbury on Saturday 23 July 16 19:28 BST (UK)
James Edwards
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening:   15 August 1819   Upton-Magna, Shropshire, England
residence:      Upton-Magna, Shropshire, England   
father:   Paul Edwards
mother:   Ann

Was this the Paul Edwards the witness at the marriage of George Edwards and Sarah Rowe?