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Research in Other Countries => Immigrants & Emigrants - General => Topic started by: WILLIAM 1 on Saturday 11 October 14 13:54 BST (UK)
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How do I find out what ship and passenger list my family went on from Ireland to the USA about 1822/1823 Robert brown and family came from Ireland and Robert brown died guernsey co Ohio before 1823 his wife was Esther and 8 kids I can't find any thing about there passage at all.just what happened to some of the family that got married in the USA .and some got married in Scotland after these dates.so I am so confused with this all
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Passenger lists in UK records only start in 1890, so you have to look at US records?
(Ireland was part of the UK before 1922!)
Try http://www.libertyellisfoundation.org for starters! ;D
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Hi,
There are a lack of early passenger lists but have you tried New York Passenger Lists 1820 - 1891 on
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1849782
http://stevemorse.org/ellis/passengers.php?mode=ny
Of course they could have gone via Canada -
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/index.htm
Sandra
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... Robert brown and family came from Ireland and Robert brown died guernsey co Ohio before 1823 his wife was Esther and 8 kids I can't find any thing about there passage at all.just what happened to some of the family that got married in the USA .and some got married in Scotland after these dates...
Do you mean that Robert Brown went to U.S. and died in Ohio before 1823 but some children stayed behind, went to Scotland and died there?
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Background info on previous thread
robert brown born abt 1764 married abt 1788/9 died before 1823 in guernsey ohio
his wife was esther born abt 1768
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=269447.0
Oct 23 - Robert Brown - http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OHGUERNS/2000-07/0964799333
Sandra
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Thank you all so much I did not think you would have to land at new York then travel to your final destination I will have a look at everything you have sent me so thank you all so much.
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... Robert brown and family came from Ireland and Robert brown died guernsey co Ohio before 1823 his wife was Esther and 8 kids I can't find any thing about there passage at all.just what happened to some of the family that got married in the USA .and some got married in Scotland after these dates...
Do you mean that Robert Brown went to U.S. and died in Ohio before 1823 but some children stayed behind, went to Scotland and died there?
Robert brown and family went to Guernsey ohio and he died there about 1823. I did not know if all the family went.but someone has sent me a list of all the family in Guernsey ohio on this link. you see I have one of there sons joseph brown getting married in Girvan Scotland and one of there sons getting married in Ireland. and I have one of there daughters getting married in Guernsey ohio and I have her right up till the present day. that is why I did not know who all went to the usa and who stayed behind but all the family moved to Guernsey ohio so not I need to find out when some of them moved back to Britain
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Unfortunately UK Incoming passenger lists don't start until a lot later in 1878
Sandra
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You'll need to make sure that all the people you have found are all from the same family (it's easy to end up tracing the wrong person if you assume records found belong to them).
Starting with whoever ended up in Scotland you could trace them (Scottish records tend to be much more comprehensive than Irish ones).
Unfortunately you are looking at dates well before the start of civil registration in Ireland and the first complete census is 1901.
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You'll need to make sure that all the people you have found are all from the same family (it's easy to end up tracing the wrong person if you assume records found belong to them).
Starting with whoever ended up in Scotland you could trace them (Scottish records tend to be much more comprehensive than Irish ones).
Unfortunately you are looking at dates well before the start of civil registration in Ireland and the first complete census is 1901.
Thank you I have Joseph brown born Ireland and I have his married certificate bu t no parents on it and his death certificate same no parents but I have found relatives on line and they have all came to the same place as me so I can't see use all being wrong he he.we all had the stuff before we found each other I know what you are saying but.I have been to Ireland and they have nothing on the family at all.and someone on rootschat says he knows the brown family that moved back to Ireland but he will not talk to me because I will not type in proper English.
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There is absolutely no reason to keep posting time and time again looking for the same information as you've done for the Browns (on Monaghan, Lanarkshire, etc.).
It looks as though you've traced your line back to Joseph Brown born c1822* in Ireland (married Margaret McCaskie in Scotland). How, then do you get back to the Robert Brown that went to Ohio?
*note: poster gives death as 1889 age 79 so born c1810 (see below)
Just a few of the topics you have for this family-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=269447
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=252274
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=213428
Also a previous post on US board looking for same information:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=485672.msg3439139#msg3439139
And, if this is correct, your Joseph Brown died in Scotland in 1889 aged 79 so born c1810 not 1821, and certainly not likely to be the son of Robert & Esther Brown who went to U.S.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=251935
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There is absolutely no reason to keep posting time and time again looking for the same information as you've done for the Browns (on Monaghan, Lanarkshire, etc.).
It looks as though you've traced your line back to Joseph Brown born c1822* in Ireland (married Margaret McCaskie in Scotland). How, then do you get back to the Robert Brown that went to Ohio?
*note: poster gives death as 1889 age 79 so born c1810 (see below)
Just a few of the topics you have for this family-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=269447
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=252274
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=213428
Also a previous post on US board looking for same information:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=485672.msg3439139#msg3439139
And, if this is correct, your Joseph Brown died in Scotland in 1889 aged 79 so born c1810 not 1821, and certainly not likely to be the son of Robert & Esther Brown who went to U.S.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=251935
HI i started my family tree search with my father and i got to joseph brown who married margaret caskie. and i hit a brick wall. as on joseph brown marriage and death certificates it does not say who his parents where at all. and for his death certificate his age could be wrong as when he died they might not have known him and just put down an age. because on his wifes death certificate her age was wrong as well by 10 years.and on other certificate i have wrong names and dates of births on census as well. i have had 10 different people send me emails telling me that joseph brown parents where robert brown and esther and all there kids. and they have all went down the same road as me. and came to the same that his parents where robert brown and esther. sorry for all the same posts. i forget where i have posted stuff. before.
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First of all, to refresh your memory (and prevent others from wasting their time)- 25 previous topics for the Brown family:
family tree for brown family (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=133977.msg600291#msg600291) (Ayrshire)
brown family tree 11111111 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=134058.msg600696#msg600696) (Lanarkshire)
first world war (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=134063.msg600723#msg600723) (WWI)
brown family tree looking for these (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=134303.msg601899#msg601899) (Renfrewshire)
family tree for brown family 2 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=134740.msg604296#msg604296) (Scotland- General)
Joseph BROWN from Forfar (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=167667.msg616327#msg616327) (Scotland- General)
death (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=137165.msg616456#msg616456) (Scotland- General)
need help (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=159738.msg744004#msg744004) (Ireland- General)
help please (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=191958.msg945551#msg945551) (Ayrshire)
help please (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=191960.msg945599#msg945599) (Lanarkshire)
I need help (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=192276.msg947731#msg947731) (Ireland- General)
my ggggrandfather need help (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=195502.msg970599#msg970599) (Monaghan)
help (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=210567.msg1084851#msg1084851) (Scotland- General)
brown and mccaskie familys (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=213428.msg1105737#msg1105737) (Down)
looking for brown family (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=238653.msg1291150#msg1291150) (Monaghan)
brown kids (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=239134.msg1294569#msg1294569) (Wigtownshire)
poor house (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=239750.msg1299603#msg1299603) (Wigtownshire)
Looking for .... BROWN / CASKIE (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=251935.msg1394551#msg1394551) (Wigtownshire)
looking for anything on brown & maharry & clements familys guernsey,ohio (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=252274.msg1397537#msg1397537) (USA)
slacks grove monaghan ireland (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=269447.msg1537484#msg1537484) (Monaghan)
birth certificate (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=327782.msg2082077#msg2082077) (Lanarkshire)
brown family Ireland (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=434331.msg2984267#msg2984267) (Monaghan)
census (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=481246.msg3399641#msg3399641) (Monaghan)
imagration (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=485672.msg3439139#msg3439139) (USA)
immigration (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=590157.msg4391939#msg4391939) (Monaghan)
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Now, you have a Joseph Brown born c1810-1825ish in Ireland who married & died in Scotland. His marriage & death records do not list the names of his parents.
Then, there's a Robert Brown in Co. Monaghan who married Esther and died In Ohio, USA in 1823. Robert & Esther had family, some of which seem to have been traced in U.S. records.
So how the blazes can you, or anyone else, assume that your Joseph Brown is connected to Robert & Esther Brown ???
Just because 'people tell you' that they are the same family does not make it true, or even in this case very likely.
Very few church records in Ireland go back before mid-1850s and of those that survive not all are online. Therefore, to start researching in Ireland you need to know a location (parish if not actual parish), their religion and details that can make the connection (in this case the names of Joseph's parents).
Suggest you go back through each of the 25 topics shown in my previous post, disregard all your suppositions about the Browns in USA and then see all the information that's been found for you already.