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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: cranstone on Saturday 11 October 14 19:54 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have found the following family in Hoboken in 1915 but the site I was able to get into only gives their names, year of birth and name.
Would anyone be able to find more information on them please?
They were John Spence and his wife Mary, both born in Ireland
Their children Margaret and Lilian
However in 1930 they also had another Margaret bc 1914 age 16, Sophia bc 1918 age 12 and John bc 1920 age 10 but where were these children in 1915???!!!
They were born in Illinois on one site and New Jersey on another?! So I am confused some! Can't find them in 1940 either except their parents and Margaret the first.
Look forward to any help, thank you
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Doesn't appear to on ancestry - can only see the family search entry - which is probably the one you have come across :'(
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/QV9Q-NBD9
Sandra
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The following census results are read from the original documents. There is no mention of being born in Illinois on any of them.
1900 Census: 261 1st St. Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11870-11880-97?cc=1325221
(and next page for the children)
Spence, John, b. Apr 1868, 32, married 5 years, b. IRE, immigrated 1888, 12 yrs in US,
brakeman (R.R.)
Mary, b. Aug 1871, 28, married 5 years, mother of 2 children, 2 children living, b. IRE,
immigrated 1893, 7 years in US
John A, b. Apr 1896, 4, b. New Jersey
Maggie, b. Aug 1898, 1, b. New Jersey
1910 Census: 58 1st St., Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey
Spencer, John, 42, marriage 1, 15 years, b. IRE, immigrated 1888, naturalized, brakeman,
steam railroad
Mary, wife, 37, marriage 1, 15 years, mother of 5 children, 2 children living, b. IRE,
immigrated 1893
Margaret, daughter, 11, b. New Jersey
Alexander, son, 7, b. New Jersey
Alexander, boarder, 34 b. IRE, immigrated 1905, naturalized, watchman, railroad co.
1920 Census: 261 1st St. Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey
Spence, John, rents home, 52, immigrated 1889, naturalized 1896, b. IRE, brakeman, railroad
Mary, 49, immigrated 1891, naturalized 1896, b. IRE
Margaret, 21, b. New Jersey. stenographer, ? office
Lillian, 17, b. New Jersey
1930 Census: 261 1st St. Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey
Spence, John 52, married 1st at age 32, b. IRE, immigrated 1888, alien, brakeman, railroad,
not a veteran
Mary, 50, married 1st at age 30, b. IRE, immigrated 1893, alien
Margaret, 16, b. New Jersey
Adeline, 14, b. New Jersey
Sophie. 12, b. New Jersey
John, 10, b. New Jersey
It looks like the ages on this enumeration are probably all off.
1940 Census: 261 1st St. Hoboken, Hudson, Hew Jersey
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-27895-2908-63?cc=2000219
Spence, John, head, 76, b. Eire-Ireland, lived same place in 1935, switchman, steam railroad
Mary, 69, b. N. Ireland, lived same place in 1935
Margaret, 41, b. New Jersey, lived same place in 1935
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The family appears also in the 1905 NJ State Census:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KM4L-BGM
Spence, John, 37
Mary, 32
Margaret, 6
Elezberth , 2, (Elizabeth--maybe Lillian?)
Thomas, 36
Alaxander, 32
Minne, 29
Maggie's death: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VSJL-X2C
10 Aug 1898 -- Apr 1976
Last residence: Hudson, New Jersey
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Previous threads for Spence Family to show what has been found previously.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=438149.msg3023259#msg3023259
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=430961.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=581708.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=568437.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=23co8pt6jt7q45slhcsfenpns0&action=printpage;topic=438149.0
Sandra
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Hello Sandra and Genealiza
Many thanks for helping me with the census information.
Would either of you know that living where they did where they are likely to have been buried, what papers might have had Obits for them etc., please?
Did it mention an age for the brother Alexander in 1910 please?
Hope it's not pushing it, but would there be anywhere where marriages might be online as I haven't yet been able to find the marriage of John and Mary Woods c. 1895 or the marriage of Thomas Spence and his wife Martha c. 1925.
Thank you very much for your help, if you need any help please ask and if I can help I will try. I hope I have hit the right "reply" button :)
Kind regards
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Alexander was 34 years of age.
Reading the Hudson County Genealogical and History Society web - page it says "Unfortunately we do not have the staff or the facilities to provide individual genealogy research help and cannot respond to these types of queries at this time - You are also welcome to post your specific genealogy questions on our Facebook Page so that others in the HCGS community may help you"
http://www.hudsoncountynjgenealogy.org/contacts.html
https://www.facebook.com/HudsonCountyGenealogy
Perhaps that could be worth a try ???
Sandra
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I added the age to Alexander in the 1910 census above.
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Hello Sandra
Thanks for letting me know.
I also meant to ask if you could throw anymore light on more information on the 1915 census as it only gives their names, year of birth and their address. I can't remember where I found it, it was only last night but I forgot to write down the website address! Must have been too excited at finding them!
The only child we seem to be able to find anything definite on is Margaret, we can't find births, marriages or deaths for definite on the others, or their own deaths, a few possible's that's all.
Thanks again
Kind regards
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Ah yes, thanks Genealiza
Kind regards.
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Hi,
There is a link (reply 1) to the 1915 Census on the family search site - if that helps.
Couldn't find it anywhere else. Have looked for those other children before and never found them ::)
Sandra
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Hi Sandra
Thanks will see if that's where it was.
Yes, we keep looking for them but still they remain elusive ???
If John emigrated in 1888 would he be in any other census before 1900? Was there one in 1895, is it available online, perhaps I should have looked before I asked :)
Kind regards and thanks again.
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There was a 1895 New Jersey census on ancestry but it only gives the name John Spence. Hoboken Ward 3. New Jersey and no Mary with him. Age between 20 - 60 years.
The 1900 Census says married 5 years so if that was him they were married after that. Can't seem to find a date for the 1895 NJ Census.
Newspaper in Trenton says enumeration will be between May 15 and July 1 and final count is due in from enumerators by August 20.
Sandra
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Hope it's not pushing it, but would there be anywhere where marriages might be online as I haven't yet been able to find the marriage of John and Mary Woods c. 1895
Kind regards
How do you know the maiden name of Mary ?
Its ok answered my own question - have seen the birth of Margaret Spence with parents listed.
Sandra
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I found this website: http://newjersey-genealogy.com/Hudson-County-Cemetery-Records.htm
I haven't looked through it, but you might look for any "Spence" names that show up.
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Hi Genealiza
Thanks for that, I have had a look, sadly you have to go through the whole lot individually but I will.
Can't remember if I have already asked this but bearing in mind where they lived would you have any idea where their nearest cemetery might have been please - not sure if you live in New Jersey or should I put a plea in? :)
Kind regards and thanks
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No, I'm not in NJ, but I googled cemeteries in Hudson county and came up with this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cemeteries_in_Hudson_County,_New_Jersey
You might try doing the same for Hoboken if you want to narrow down the search.
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Here's another site:
http://www.hudsoncountynjgenealogy.org/projects/hnc-index.html#Anchor-Surnames-47857
Ran across this information on genealogy.com messages:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Bergen,County::nj::18751.html
Here's some discussion on the Hoboken Cemetery in North Bergen:
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newjersey.counties.hudson/11479/mb.ashx
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North Bergen is about 20 minutes away from Hoboken by car today, so I'm not sure the name necessarily means that people from Hoboken will be buried there.
Do you know their religion? If they were Catholic, then maybe they were more likely to be in a Catholic cemetery.
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Hi
Thanks again for getting back to me. I have been looking at the cemeteries that keep coming up but they don't see to have email addresses or it's me and I haven't looked in the right places!
I think they were Church of Ireland/Presbyterian or whatever the equivalent would have been in New Jersey.
Kind regards