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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: lilmerricks on Monday 13 October 14 18:37 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm hoping that someone can help. I'm trying to help a friend with a family history problem but not really sure where to look now. Her husband's grandmother, Rebecca Macfarlane Stewart was born 27/11/1922 to a Jessie Burnett and Samuel Stewart in Shettleston, Lanark. It seems that her parents were married to other people at the time. The mother gave her up and went to work as a housekeeper on the isle of Bute, her father drank a lot and gave her up to an orphanage. We have the records from the orphanage and we have the birth certificate but we are unable to find anything else. Any ideas?
Thanks :)
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I meant to add that I cannot find Jessie anywhere, and she was possibly married but doesn't seem to appear on the census
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Hi
Does it give any indication who adopted her, on the records, in England there was no legal adoption until 1927/28, I am not sure if this is the case in Scotland. how old was she when she entered the orphanage and when she left.
Margp
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Hi
On Scotlandpeople there are 4 marriages for a Rebecca Macfarlane Stewart
1945, to a Charles Henry Webb, Blairgowrie Perth* Macfarlane with the C the others without
1958 to a James Lochran Gillon, Bellshill Lanark
1949 to a John Gray, Blythswood Lanark
1946 to a Robert George Pollock Bellshill Lanark
Margp
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Hi lilmerrick and Margp :)
Just for background to adoption records in Scotland www.nas.gov.uk/guides/adoptions.asp
Rebecca's records are before this date maybe...however, was she adopted from the orphanage or did she remain there from her birth?
Margp has added some marriage details above. Have you been able to find her marriage, to let you work back to where you are to date so far?
Monica
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Hi Monica
Thanks for the information, where's that lovely photo of you gone
Margp
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Hi Monica
Thanks for the information, where's that lovely photo of you gone
Margp
Will be back.... ;)
Monica
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Hello. I'm Lils friend who is looking to trace my mother in laws family history. Lil and I are drawing a blank so hopefully someone can help
Rebecca was born to Jessie Burnett and Samuel Stewart in 1922.
The parents were not married to each other so finding it difficult to trace any history as we don't know who they were married too, although Jessie's other surname was Graham!
Rebecca got put into William quarrier homes (orphanage) in Glasgow when she was 2 1/3 years old. She stayed in the home until the age of 18 where she moved to Rugby and married Charles Henry Webb in 1945.
Can anyone help me find any marriage records or anything to try and trace her history back please.
Thankyou
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Hello. I'm Lils friend who is looking to trace my mother in laws family history. Lil and I are drawing a blank so hopefully someone can help
Rebecca was born to Jessie Burnett and Samuel Stewart in 1922.
The parents were not married to each other so finding it difficult to trace any history as we don't know who they were married too, although Jessie's other surname was Graham!
Rebecca got put into William quarrier homes (orphanage) in Glasgow when she was 2 1/3 years old. She stayed in the home until the age of 18 where she moved to Rugby and married Charles Henry Webb in 1945.
Can anyone help me find any marriage records or anything to try and trace her history back please.
Thankyou
Hi Mel and welcome to RootsChat
This is the marriage
1945, to a Charles Henry Webb, Blairgowrie Perth* Macfarlane with the C the others without, from my above post
It can be order from this site
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Margp
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Hi
After reading this again, I think you have both, Rebecca's birth certificate and her marriage, can you post all the information that are on these certificates.
Was Burnett Jessie's married name, and Graham her maiden name, does any of the records you have give any address's or age for either of them, or occupation for Samuel
Sorry for the question's, but all these snippet's of information, may lead to the answer to this
Margp
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Hi Margp
I have got the marriage certificate yet, Im going to order it now!
The birth certificate shows:
Rebecca Macfarlane Stewart born 27.11.22 at 48 Tollcross Road, Parkhead Glasgow
mother Jessie Burnett (housekeeper)
father Samuel Stewart (hairdressers assistant)
birth was registered on 13.12.22 at Glasgow
Jessie gave Rebecca up and went to Isle of Bute we believe at Ascog Farm, rothersay
Samuel took care of her but had a drink problem so eventually Rebecca was taken into care, originally via Southern general Hospital then into William Quarrier Homes at just over 2 years old.
Samuel was residing at 59 Fordneuk Street Bridgeton Glasgow at the time of orphanage admittance.
according to the orphanage paperwork:
Samuel was 39 years old
Jessie was Mrs Jessie Burnett, maiden name Graham aged 27 years.
Im assuming that was there age when Rebecca was 2 years old at time of orphanage entrance.
No-one in the family has ever known anything so any help at all would be great
thanks
Mel
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sorry i made a mistake:
Graham was her married name - Burnett her maiden name
sorry!
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so we need to find out who Jessie Graham married (Burnett) - where and when
who Samuel Stewart was and what happened to him
The name Macfarlane must be in the family history too :)
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Hi All
Cannot yet see a marriage for a J* Graham to a Burn*t* (lots of wildcards) on the official pay to view site for Scotland www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk :) The most common variant of Jessie in Scotland is Janet (not Jessica) see www.whatsinaname.net/female-names/Jessie.html There are other variations though.
Wondering why we can't see the marriage :-\
Jessie was aged 27 in 1922-4 from what you mentioned. So born c. 1895-7? There is only one death I can see for her with the name of Burnett/Graham. Searched the first name as J* to pick up on variants:
1948 Jessie Miller BURNETT / GRAHAM, aged 50 in ABERDEEN SOUTHERN DISTRICT - ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN - ref 168/02 0324
You cannot tell from the index on SP which order the surnames go (maiden or married surnames).
Monica
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Hi
I have looked for a marriage on Scotlandpeople and cannot find one for the time period, I have looked under the surnames only, between 1900 - 1922, as Jessie may be a pet name, with no results.
I have also looked at the 1911 census for Jessie, there are 4 possible for Lanark, but she may not have been born there.
I am not sure where to go from here, hopefully there may be someone on here, that has more knowledge on the Scottish records than me, that may be able to help further.
Margp
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There is one possible birth for Rebecca's mother (if the death record is correct) from above:
1897 Jessie Miller GRAHAM in HUTCHESONTOWN - GLASGOW ref. 644/11 0906
Monica
Added: There are a couple of possibilities in the 1901 census in the Hutchesontown area of Glasgow for Jessie Graham (withouth the 'Miller' middle name, hard to tell without confirming further whether any are correct).
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There is one possible birth for Rebecca's mother (if the death record is correct) from above:
1897 Jessie Miller GRAHAM in HUTCHESONTOWN - GLASGOW ref. 644/11 0906
Monica
Hi
Jessie Miller Burnett married Sidney Clark Graham in 1934 Aberdeen
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Thanks Marg :) The Aberdeen links are wrong aren't they :-\ That Jessie Miller is a Burnett not a Graham.
Monica
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Jessie's maiden name was Graham so the Aberdeen connects could be correct. Although if she married in 1934 this was AFTER the time where she called herself Mrs Burnett. Jessie Millar Graham could be her as she was born in Glasgow and her year of birth is correct. Its difficult and there are lots of questions
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Hi
I would start looking at Samuel Stewart, on the 1911 census, to see if you can find one who is an Hairdresser, then there are the Electoral Registers for the address
Margp
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;D Just been thinking exactly the same now.
Rebecca's birth in Nov 1922 gave the address of 48 Tollcross Road, Parkhead.
Off to find the full listing of PO Directories for this period in Glasgow. 1926-7 shows a Stewart at that address:
Stewart, George I., Fresh Air Fortnight, 82 Mitchell
st ; ho. 48 Tollcross road.
www.mocavo.co.uk/The-Post-Office-Annual-Glasgow-Directory-1926-1927-Volume-1926-27/554224/650
Not getting the reference to 'Fresh Air Fortnight' in the context of the address :-\ Having googled the term, up comes things like this info here http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=18369 The mention of Quarrier Homes etc could have meaning but still don't undertand how it connects to 48 Tollcross Road.
However, a search of the 1920 Valuation Roll for that address shows it to be classified as a house, with 11 households/tenants there....including a George Stewart, a grocer (maybe the one showing in 1926-7?). More importantly, there is Samuel Stewart, a tenant at 48 Tollcross Road, a hairdresser by trade.
Odd with the situation described that Rebecca would have been potentially born at her father's home...but such can be life.
Monica
Added: From general searches, the 1915 VR also I think list a Samuel and a George Stewart (no idea if there are family connections between them, just going by the surname which is why I mention George), at 48 Tollcross Road.
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As Marg has mentioned, next stage really would be the 1911 census for Samuel. There is a 26yr old Samuel Stewart showing in Shettleston. That is the one to look at really to see if it could be the right one given the later entries for a Samuel living in 48 Tollcross Road, Shettleston.....
Monica
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Back to Jessie Miller Burnett
There is a tree on Ancestry that has the following information
Jessie Miller Burnett, b, 2 Dec 1897, at 22, Rose Bank, Place, Aberdeen
Father, William Stephen Burnett, Mother, Isabella Cruden
It also has a marriage, 2 Oct 1934, but the husband is marked private
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In the meantime...I am getting quietly excited ;)
Working on the possibility that (big leap until proved) Samuel and George could be brothers. There is a family in both 1891 and 1901 headed up by a Charles Stewart and wife Rebecca:
1891 - all the children born in Bothwell Lanark:
Charles Stewart 36 coal miner b. Calder lanark
Rebaaca Stewart 38 b. Calder lanark
Charles Stewart 14
Thomas Stewart 10
William Stewart 8
Samuel Stewart 6
George Stewart 6
James Stewart 3
James McFarlan 23 relative, coal miner b. Glasgow
John Carberry 17 boarder
Address: Potts Land Crossgates, Bothwell Lanark
1901:
Charles Stewart 45 coal miner
Rebacca Stewart 47
Charles Stewart 24
William Stewart 18
W Samuel Stewart 16
George Stewart 16
James Stewart 13
Robert Stewart 8
David Stewart 8
Mary Stewart 9
Rebacca Stewart 4
Address: New Orbiston Rows, Bothwell Lanark
The family looks to be at this time a coal mining family, with the older boys in 1901 also working in a variety of mining jobs.
I think the mother is a McFarlane by maiden name and possible marriage for parents in 1872 as showing here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTB5-Z8X
From this family group, also possibility that George and Samuel may be twins? Possible birth regs for both in Bothwell 1885.
So, we could have the source of the name Rebecca McFarlane Stewart coming from the paternal grandmother side....but as always for now, just guesses until it can be confirmed really ;)
Monica
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The 1913-14 Valuation Rolls is available to search and view for free. This is the page which includes 48 Tollcross Road www.theglasgowstory.com/imageview.php?inum=TGSV37155
No sign of Samuel, or George, at that address that year.
Monica
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Well I couldn't wait to see...so checked 1911 for Samuel and it is most certainly him.
He was living with his wife Harriet at 88 Maukinfauld Road in Tollcross. Streetview shows it is very likely still there, typical Glasgow tenaments.
Helping confirm his details for now are that he shows as a Hairdressing Assistant as you had on Rebecca's birth and orphanage papers. Also, his place of birth is given as Bothwell, Lanark which helps to link up to the details of the family of Charles Stewart and Rebecca McFarlane that we have now. If you have access to Ancestry, there are family trees for this family line of Charles and Rebecca which you might want to connect with the tree owners there at some point.
I cannot see the marriage of Samuel to Harriet (looks like this is followed by initials L L) on SP so far...Harriet is showing as having been born in England.
Monica
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Brilliant Monica, I was also looking at that family, but cooking the tea got in the way
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Just trying to review what we have so far on Jessie, Rebecca's mother from the info both of you have added:
1. Mother Jessie Burnett (housekeeper) - from Rebecca's 1922 birth cert?
2. Jessie was Mrs Jessie Burnett, maiden name Graham aged 27 years (assuming that was her age when Rebecca entered the orphanage in early 1925 at the age of 2 and 3 months). Is this from the orphanage papers, where Jessie is described as Mrs. or was she already married when Rebecca was born (see note below)?
This was then corrected - Graham was her married name - Burnett her maiden name.
3. Jessie gave Rebecca up and went to Isle of Bute we believe at Ascog Farm, Rothesay - from Rebecca's orphanage papers very early 1925 .
So we are looking for a Jessie (or Janet and variants) BURNETT, born somewhere in Scotland around 1896-7. She was showing as married by 1922 on Rebecca's birth cert?.
Can I ask please. What are the exact words used for Jessie on the birth cert.? It should read Jessie Graham, M.S. Burnett, housekeeper (did she have an occupation showing for her on the birth reg?), for all of the above to fit.
The address for Jessie when the papers and notes were drawn up early 1925 for Rebecca, this is where the referece to Jessie going to the farm in Bute as a housekeeper? No other personal details for her on these papers? Were there no further notes for Rebecca's family after she was admitted in 1925. From what you said, she was there for around 16 years.
Monica
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Another thing to remember, is that the information given about Jessie, probably came from Samuel, and he may have got it wrong
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Sometimes events are also closer to home, in this case Shettleston!
There is a Jessie Burnett showing in 1901. Will post now, just in case...All below born in Glasgow.
Robert Burnet 32 Grocer Assist
Annie Burnet 27
Jessie Burnet 5
Jane Ewing 16 gen servant
Address: Anniville, Shettleston
This is possibly a Robert Burnett and Annie Kerr Nisbet who married in Glasgow in 1894.
Jessie, Rebecca's mum showing as aged 27 in 1924/5, would make a birth year around 1897-8 as discussed above. However, as Marg mentions, facts may not be correctly reported. I wouldn't exclude anything at this stage. Just as always, need to find hard info to verify everything.
Monica
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Gosh thanks guys. Been at work all day so just catching up with all feed.
Exciting stuff!!! :)
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I've contacted the owner of the tree on ancestry but owner not been on for over a year. Will the message I've sent go directly to her email or just to the ancestry site?
On Rebecca's birth certificate BOTH parents signed the cert. it is signed by Samuel Stewart (hairdressers assistant) and Jessie Burnett (housekeeper) this is in late 1922
On the types paperwork for the orphanage in early 1925 the parents are listed as:
Samuel Stewart (hairdresser) residing at 59 Fordneuk Street Bridgeton Glasgow
Jessie Graham(maiden name Burnett) (Farmservant) Ascog Farm Rothersay Isle of Bute
So...
Jessie must have married between Dec 1922 and February 1925 to Someone Graham!
How can we confirm that these are the correct ones?
Thanks every so much for everyone's help. I'm thrilled that we may have traced family for a lady that from the age of 2 was brought up as an orphan. She always wondered but never managed to trace anyone years ago. She would have been thrilled if still alive.
Thanks Mel
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I wonder if Jessie married on the Isle of Bute, where would the records be for that.
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I can't see any marriage between a groom Graham between 1922-25, however, there is one in 1915 in Glasgow:
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The marriage was by Sherrif's Warrant which was perfectly legal in Scotland (sometimes referred to as an 'irregular marriage'). Lots of google links both here on RC and generally. Good background here too www.gla.ac.uk/schools/socialpolitical/research/economicsocialhistory/historymedicine/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/marriage/
This Jessie's parents show as a Robert Burnett, a coal miner and a Margaret Kennedy. 19 yrs old in 1915 would fit potentially with the reference to the 29 yr old Jessie 10 years later in 1925. Also the fact that in 1915 we have this Jessie showing as a farm servant as we have the Jessie in 1925.
One of the things to remember always in Scotland is that a woman never loses her legal right to use her maiden surname at all times. This is the reason that women's maiden names feature so strongly in Scottish references in documents, BMDs, gravestones etc. The fact that Jessie signed the 1922 as Jessie Burnett wouldn't preclude her from being married. Sounds from what is written on the register that there wasn't any reference made on the birth entry as to Samuel or Jessie's marital status? The fact that Samuel was there at the Registrar with Jessie to register and sign the register together is what enabled Rebecca's birth to include his details and also have her named Stewart.
There is still lots of gaps and uncertainties to whether this is the right Jessie. Looking good but in no way certain at this stage...
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I've contacted the owner of the tree on ancestry but owner not been on for over a year. Will the message I've sent go directly to her email or just to the ancestry site?
Mel, the message should go via Ancestry direct to the tree owner's personal email that they have logged on with to Ancestry.
Monica
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Thanks Monica, fingers crossed they reply
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Can we compare both the signatures, of Jessie on the Birth and Marriage records
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Jessie Naismith Burnett remarried in 1932, a Cyrus Miller Alexander, a merchant seaman aged 35. As you can see from the snippet, Jessie put herself down as a spinster, no reference to her marriage to David Graham. This time the marriage was conducted by the minster of the Milton Free Church in Anderston Glasgow.
This Jessie died in 1983 at the age of 83 on record in Saltcoats, Ayrshire.
We still need more facts though for her to get more confident that this Jessie was Rebecca's mother...but at least we have a possible Jessie to focus on.
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This is the family of Robert Burnett and Margaret Kennedy in 1901:
Robert Burnett 42 coal miner b. Bellshill, Lanarkshire
Margaret K Burnett 32 b. Overtown, Lanarkshire
Agnes Burnett 12
Francis Burnett 8
William Burnett 6
Robert Burnett 5
Jessie Burnett 3 b. rhinds, Lanarkshire
John Burnett 1
Patrick McArdel 19
Address: Rhinds, Old Monkland Western District, Lanarkshire
Mel, there is also a family tree online for this family on a/try, following the line of Agnes. Nothing there re Jessie though.
Monica
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no match to the signatures - on birth cert it is signed Jessie Burnett
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no match to the signatures - on birth cert it is signed Jessie Burnett
Hi, Have you checked the handwriting of the signatures
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its completely different writing
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I always have a memory block on this issue of signatures on Scottish certs etc ::) ...so I sent a PM to Forfarian, who has a huge wealth on knowledge on this type of information.
Her response to me (have checked and OK to post now here):
There were two copies of each register. One was the original, signed by the informant/couple themselves. The other was a duplicate made by the Registrar. At the end of each year the Registrar had to send one copy to Edinburgh. If he sent the original, you get the actual signatures on SP, but if he sent the copy you don't.
The copy not sent to Edinburgh was retained by the Registrar and in due course most of them were collected in a central registration office in each county. There was a move to destroy some if not all of these, which was being fought by the genealogical world. I don't know what the outcome is.
Hope this helps. Don't think we can necessarily rely on signatures in the standard sense. Mel, could you post some snippets from Rebecca's birth cert in 1922 please. I have the other cert images.
Monica :)
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Not sure how I can attach docs monica
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Mel, sent you a PM to see if I can help...
Monica :)
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Got three certs together now.
1915: Marriage entry for Jessie Burnett (to David Graham) that we have been discussing before. Snippet again with signatures of Jessie and David G.
1922: We have a snippet from Rebecca's 1922 birth, with parents' signatures, Jessie Burnett and Samuel Stewart.
1932: Second marriage for Jessie Burnett. Same Jessie as we had from 1915, confirmed from her parents' details.
Forfarian, I think the two marriages, 1915 and 1932, reflect what you said perfectly. I have the whole cert and therefore easier to see, and I would say the 1915 cert includes original signature by bride and groom. However, the 1932 cert is in a sigle hand and therefore a copy from the original. Happy to send on to anyone who wants to see these in full.
I have a view on the signatures of 1915 and 1922. What do you all think?
I will attach on the next post (wish I was clever enough to line them up side by side for comparison!).
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3 snippets below as discussed:
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The signatures, on the 1915 marriage and the 1922 birth look very similar
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Interesting.
The third one is obviously the Registrar's copy, in his rather beautiful handwritings, so not really helpful.
There are definite similarities between the first two - the capital J matches quite well, and some of the other letters are similar. I am not too bothered about the missing middle initial or the second t at the end on the second one. Given that they are seven years apart, I think they could indeed be the same person's signature.
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Hurray ;D Those are my thoughts too. I think they are very similar. I also think the second T on Burnett is likely to be on the box margin...but as we know, spellings were not a big deal at this time so whether it is single or double 't' not really an issue.
I have sent a message to SP asking them whether they can enhance the image of the signature from the 1915 marriage. Hopeful they can, enough for us to get a clearer image of the letters etc.
Monica :)
Added: I so like the fact that in both 1915 and 1922 the dot of i on Jessie is on the e...sigh ;)
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And both halves of the B's look like a 3
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Samuel Stewart as father for Rebecca, we have now lots of hard confirmation for him on details:
We have him certified on:
1911 census: Married and right occupation and right area of Glasgow
1915 valuation roll: at Rebecca's birth address for 1922 and right occupation
1920 valuation roll: at Rebecca's birth address for 1922 and right occupation
His age, from the adoption papers fits the family we have found for him potentially. We also have a likely twin George who shows at the same address on the VRs 1915 and 1920.
We have an a/try tree for the family of Samuel that fits well to (not sure if you have had a response yet Mel from the tree owner).
Cannot find a marriage entry for Samuel to Harriet (as showing in 1911). Thought it might be an irregular type marriage too (although not certified :-\). Cannot also see anything in England for a possible marriage either.
Outstandings for Samuel:
Marriage to Harriett?
What happened to him after 1925 (cannot easily see a death for Harriett to help with this).
Did he remarry?
Death entry?
Monica
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Hi Monica :)
Have put the two signatures together, as I think you wanted, and I think that they are definitely the same.
Gadget
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:-* Thank you so much! Hoped you would be able to do that now here, Gadget!
Mel, I hope you agree too with what we are seeing all now.
Will add further image if I get the enhancement from SP too.
Monica
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It certainly does look the same doesn't it 😊 Looks like we might have found Rebecca's mother Jessie. We should be able to trace back family now maybe?
Not heard back from ancestry tree owner yet. Still hoping!
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So are we saying then that Jessie miller Burnett was the wrong one?
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Yes, we are Mel at this stage. We were just working off names on general searches at that time really.
The first Jessie Miller GRAHAM birth in the Glasgow area...was wrong in terms of maiden name.
The next Jessie Miller Burnett...was in Aberdeen, not at all connected to the events we have in the Glasgow area as we now have them.
Monica
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Fab thanks, sorry for all the questions - completely new to this :)
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Ask away Mel ;)
You cannot just go on assumptions and guesses. For what you have here (and all research of this type really ::)), you need hard facts and verifications along the way.
Samuel has been more straightforward (!), I think bizarrely with Jessie, it will be down to the signature. Amazing, I know. There is nothing else so far that will fix her from what we have for her so far.
As we had as a summary for Samuel, for Jessie:
1901: Family of Robert Burnett and Margaret Kennedy in 1901 listed above. A Jessie Burnett showing as 3 years old.
1915: Marriage entry for Jessie Burnett (to David Graham) that we have been discussing before. Snippet again with signatures of Jessie and David G.
1922: We have a snippet from Rebecca's 1922 birth, with parents' signatures, Jessie Burnett and Samuel Stewart.
1932: Second marriage for Jessie Burnett. Same Jessie as we had from 1915, confirmed from her parents' details. Married a Cyrus Miller Alexander, a merchant seaman aged 35.
1983: This Jessie died I think in 1983 at the age of 83 on record in Saltcoats, Ayrshire.
Missing here would be 1911 census and also Jessie birth cert from c. 1897-8.
Monica
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Don't think I have included this, for 1891 for Jessie's family:
Robert Burnett 32 coal miner b. Bellshill
Margaret K Burnett 23 b. Overton, Lanarkshire
Agnes Burnett 2 b. Bellshill
Margaret Burnett 3 Months b. Bellshill
Address: 42 Gilbertfield Buildgs, Cambuslang Lanarkshire
You need now to check on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk to check through on the marriage of Robert to Margaret to view their marriage cert and their ancestry to help you back a next stage...
Monica
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thanks Monica :)
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A little more to make us happy Mel ;) Online tree (have you checked for this?) on a/try for this family. Includes image for Agnes Burnett as above b. 1889....middle name...Naismith. As we had for Jessie born c. 1897 marrying in 1915 (showing as Jessie N Burnet) and then 1932 as Jessie Naismith Burnett. Do not know what the family connections are for Robert or Margaret as parents for this surname of Naismith, but obviously there was one.
From this birth cert (Scottish birth certs show place and date of marriage if parents married) parents show as having married 30th Dec 1887 in Bothwell. Could well show as an 1888 registration on SP.
Monica
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on Jessies birth cert in 1898, the parents names and marriage date there so looked up their marriage in 1888 , i know it is the right one as Margarets ms is Naismith!
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haha great minds! not checked the online tree though :) exciting!
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A thought...as we also have Margaret, mother's name showing as Kennedy.
Have a look at the tree I was looking at. Robert seems straightforward hopefully. His parents listed on tree. Margaret's are not. Guesses, guesses... Maybe Margaret's birth was illegitmate. Mother Naismith and father Kennedy...more work needed likely for her?
Monica
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One of the lovely special things about Scottish genealogy research (and there is a lot ;)) is the connections with names etc...
I think this is Margaret's birth...Jessie's mother https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ8Q-8WL
Monica
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Thats interesting as the children of Robert and margaret are listed on that tree but no jessie! I wonder if people knew she existed - I've messaged the owner of tree
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Don't worry, for lots of reasons, people structure trees in lots of ways....nothing wrong with that.
I respect all this research always...except I sway to those that have original certs and verifications ::)
Let's see where all this goes...
Monica :)
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Ask away Mel ;)
You cannot just go on assumptions and guesses. For what you have here (and all research of this type really ::)), you need hard facts and verifications along the way.
Samuel has been more straightforward (!), I think bizarrely with Jessie, it will be down to the signature. Amazing, I know. There is nothing else so far that will fix her from what we have for her so far.
As we had as a summary for Samuel, for Jessie:
1901: Family of Robert Burnett and Margaret Kennedy in 1901 listed above. A Jessie Burnett showing as 3 years old.
1915: Marriage entry for Jessie Burnett (to David Graham) that we have been discussing before. Snippet again with signatures of Jessie and David G.
1922: We have a snippet from Rebecca's 1922 birth, with parents' signatures, Jessie Burnett and Samuel Stewart.
1932: Second marriage for Jessie Burnett. Same Jessie as we had from 1915, confirmed from her parents' details. Married a Cyrus Miller Alexander, a merchant seaman aged 35.
1983: This Jessie died I think in 1983 at the age of 83 on record in Saltcoats, Ayrshire.
Missing here would be 1911 census and also Jessie birth cert from c. 1897-8.
Monica
Hi, Jessie Naismith Burnett, b 1898, Old Monkland, Western District, Lanark, 652/01/0005
The family are on the 1911 census, living at, 44 Glebe St, I am not sure if I can post the details
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That must be her indeed, Marg :)
You can post details and a transcription/notes from the 1911 Scottish census here on RC. Unlike the English & Welsh Census subscription services for 1911, the Scottish 1911 is only available on a units purchase from SP. A clumsy way of saying, yes you can ;)
Monica
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Thanks Monica
1911 Census
They had 13 children 9 still living, married 23 Years
Robert Burnett 52 Coal Hewer
Margaret 43
Francis 19
William 16
Robert 15
Jessie 13
Maggie 9
Annie 7
John 20
It may be worth looking at, the marriages for Maggie and Annie, to see if Jessie was a witness
Marg
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Hi Marg
How can you tell if they are still living?
not quite sure how to search :(
mel
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Hi Mel
If you mean the family on the 1911 census, I doubt if any of them are still living, you will need to look at who they married, and if they had any children, I am not that ofay, with later research in Scotland, I am sure that Monica, will be able to point you in the right direction.
Did you receive the marriage for Rebecca
Marg x
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Great thankyou.
I ordered the marriage certificate. Still waiting for it from SP
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You might be lucky and get Rebecca's marriage sooner rather than later but I would expect it to take anywhere between 2-3 weeks before it reaches you. You might get a nice surprise if it arrives early then!
Re Jessie's siblings, we did have one family tree on a/try that we mentioned earlier. This showed eldest Agnes Naismith Burnett marrying a Joseph McLean in 1908 in Bellshill. The tree owner is from this family of Agnes and is not complete in respect of Agnes' siblings. But, nice to know what happened with Agnes, the eldest. Also a little on the ancestry of father Robert, his parents and siblings etc. Best way to confirm this would be to look for Jessie's parents' marriage or their deaths. Both would include parent/s details to let you work back with confidence.
There is a lot of ancestry to gather here really Mel. We have only just found them :D
You probably need to decide how you want to proceed from here and maybe concentrate on main lines first. Even then, you need to decide whether to start with Samuel first or Jessie.
Marg, I know why you are thinking about seeing Jessie pop up on one of her two younger sisters' marriage certs...specially if it was after 1932 as we saw Jessie as Jessie Alexander...
Jessie could also have reported one of her parents' deaths too. The problem with all of this, as we all know, is you don't know what you will find until you look.
Mel, the only place to look for this BMD information will be on the pay to view site, Scotlands People (SP). You can look at these records personally at one of the main genealogy centres in Scotland but that is not open to you now so you are looking at using the pay to view site SP...becomes addictive ::)
Monica
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I've been away for a couple of days and just reading up on all this information and I am amazed at how much you have found!! I can see that Samuel Stewart is definitely the correct one, and ties up will that his mother's name was MacFarlane. As for Jessie... you have potentially found her by comparing signatures :o
Myself and Mel had looked at the details and had come to a dead-end, it was just as an after thought that I thought of this site. Thank you ladies :) So glad we came here!!
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Hi
On Scotlandpeople there are 4 marriages for a Rebecca Macfarlane Stewart
1945, to a Charles Henry Webb, Blairgowrie Perth* Macfarlane with the C the others without
1958 to a James Lochran Gillon, Bellshill Lanark
1949 to a John Gray, Blythswood Lanark
1946 to a Robert George Pollock Bellshill Lanark
Margp
I'm interested in James Lochran Gillon, did you obtain any records that you could share.
Thank you
Zebrakat.
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I have a large collection of family trees for Stewart families on Bute and their associated names. Also trees on the Jenkins family of both Argyll and Bute. :)