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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: sw1 on Tuesday 14 October 14 19:32 BST (UK)
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Doing research for a friend and I am somewhat perplexed and could do with a bit of help please.
Ferdinando Cole b 1823 in Millom, son of William Cole and Mary Gibson. It took me some time to determine his parents and I am fairly sure I have the right ones as my Ferdinando married Jane Lowes. (The other Ferdinando born in 1823 was son of Thomas Cole, and married a Mary; not mine!)
However, I would like to know more about Ferdinando's father, William. He married Mary Gibson in 1802 in Millom, but I seem to be getting nowhere. William & Mary had 8 children that I know of...Mary, Nelly, John, Ruth, William, Ferdinando, John Arthur and Margaret. In that it is so far back, the 1841 is not that revealing as no relationships of course are shown.
Can anyone help me out here? Is anyone connected to Ferdinando? It is such an unusual first name, but there were a lot of them around in the area - all connected somehow, I'm sure.
If it's any help, I also have a gut feeling that the surnames WALKER, SHAW, GRICE and TYSON are also connected and the first name Eleanor as Ferdinando was with such a group in 1851. Whicham HO107/2438/148/11. I feel Ferdinando's parents died when he was young as he was farmed out various families.
Really hoping for a breakthrough if possible. Thank you.
Suzie from Orkney
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Hi
Wonder if William Cole had a brother Ferdinando, there is this marriage
24 May 1820 by licence at St Michael and All Angels Hawkshead, Lancashire.
Ferdinando COLE - of Millom
Eleanor WALKER - of Hawkshead
Witnesses: William Walker; Thomas Walker; Samuel Green
claire
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Hallo Claire,
Yes, thank you, I've seen that one. I think he died in 1838. (1838/3 Bootle 25/14A)
There was also another Ferdinando who married Eleanor Shaw at Whicham 26 Nov 1831.
Wonder if it's the same Ferdinando with 2 marriages and the death in 1838?
And then there's Eleanor GRICE on the 1851 where Ferdinando, son of William was! (Though I've just seen my note with a question mark as to her maiden name of Kendall!)
Also found on the internet but definitely NOT PROVEN....William Cole b 1791 to Ferdinando Cole and Ruth Brocklebank. William apparently married Nancy Ewars had 8 children including a Ferdinando (1811-??) and William 1812-1890. I've tried to ignore this for the time being as I have a feeling it is from Canada....
It's late and you know you get that feeling you are going round in circles and can't see the wood for the trees???
Suzie
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Ferdinando,
Quite a common name in that part of Cumbria also shortened to Ferdy!
WALKER, SHAW, GRICE and TYSON
Again names familiar to that part of the area.
I have Thwaites PR 1724 - 1837 transcribed, COLE does not appear
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Thanks for that, Elzabels. Good to know the contraction of the name.
Suzie
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Just struggling to get to grips with your opening post.
How did you determine which of the Ferdinado COLE'S you would follow as yours and have you followed the one whose father is Thomas?
Do you have any certificates or Parish register entries?
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Earliest mention of the name that I can find is the baptism of
Mathew CAWELL bap. 19 April 1637 Millom, Cumb. son of Fardinando
claire
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Records for the area go back my family are from Thwaites / Millom I am back to to 16th century & documented!
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I feel Ferdinando's parents died when he was young as he was farmed out various families.
This looks like Ferdinando's family
Haverigg
H107 157 2 7 8
COLE William 1781 Ag Lab ( poss died 1852)
COLE Mary 1791 ( poss died 1871)
COLE Arthur 1826 ( poss died 1873)
COLE Margaret 1829 ( poss died 1858)
COLE Edward 1833
1851 Edward is at H107 2438 214 18
William COLE b 1779 HO107 2438 160 6
1861
Mary / Arthur & G/daughter MAry aged 4 still at Haverigg
Baptisms Millom
It is likely there are children born 1802 - 1808, you need to get a copy of the church records, check familysearch out for a resource centre near to you or contact http://www.ancestor-search.info/CRO-Cumberland.htm
Mary 14 Sept 1808
Nelly 1 Jan 1811
John 2 March 1813
Ruth 10 Dec 1815
William 6 January 1819
Ferdinando bp 23 March 1823
John Arthur 18 June 1826
Margaret 8 March 1829
Edward 1 June 1834
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Hallo again,
Alice Cole is my friend's grandmother and therefore I knew that Alice Cole b 1875 registered at Ulverston was the daughter of Ferdinando Cole and that her mother was Jane. The marriage of Ferdinando Cole and Jane Lowes was on LDS site: 14 Nov 1860 Bolton, Cumberland and the groom's father was William Cole. Ref: M043044. It is also on FreeMBD. 1860/4 Wigton 10B/681.This therefore discounted the Ferdinando Cole who married Mary Wilson. The father of that Ferdinando was Thomas Cole.
I have no certificates at all; I live in Orkney and my only real access to info is the Internet - Ancestry, LDS, FreeBMD etc. I do have all the baptisms of the Cole children, obtained from the LDS site, but thank you for passing them on too and confirming them.
I obviously had not searched hard enough for the family in 1841 and I agree that what you have found looks very likely. I will pursue that.
It's really William Cole's birth/parents I am after - and those of his wife, Mary Gibson. However, now that you have passed on that 1841 info, that gives me a birth year around which to search.
I'm sorry if my opening post was a bit confusing. I try to be as brief and succinct as possible and yet at the same time reveal what info I do have. People are so helpful on this forum and I feel awful when they then send me info I already have. So thank you all for your replies so far.
Suzie
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Thank you for confirming I have picked up the correct family
I note you are on the Orkneys, did you know that the years are not digitalised consecuetively which is probably why we have the 1802 - 1808 gap!
There is a familysearch resource centre on the Orkneys?
https://familysearch.org/locations/centerlocator?cid=hp2-1047
As you realise there is a limited amount of information to be gleaned from the internet, particularly if the records have not been digitalized. At the familysearch centres you can order the Parish Register films for BMD of St Georges Milllom for a small fee ( used to be free) They will also copy the information you require again a small fee
You and your friend will then be able to 'page turn' extracting all references to the surname COLE building up the family tree. There may be local notes in the margin indicating which COLE member they are.
I would start with baptisms from the date of marriage of William 1802, filling in the blank years, moving to deaths so you are left with living children to 'marry off'
Did you know if you put the surname and place in say the 1841 census search box say COLE / MIllom it will bring up all the persons with that name so you will be able to build family units....
If the marriage is by licence you need to obtain this from the RO
Jx
Have a look at this site lancashireopc.org
PPS Marriage entries may lead to other family members as in witnesses.......
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Hallo J, Apologies for late acknowledgement - had a busy day!
Unfortunately there is no family search centre in Orkney. The nearest one is Inverness on the mainland - a long drive and ferry-ride away. So, no, I won't be going there! However, I think the Kirkwall Library has links and may be able to order to film for me. I'll give them a try.
I'll also have a look at that other site you mentioned.
Many thanks to you - and others - who responded so promptly to my request and gave me new information which I can use to make progress. I always seem to learn so much from people like you so thank you!
Kind regards
Suzie