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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: glyn24 on Tuesday 14 October 14 20:31 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone
ive been searching for the baptism of joseph warburton for a long time now and dont seem to be getting very far.on the 1851 census ho107/2121 it says he's born in hayton notts.i know he had a brother called george who was also born in hayton.joseph married elizabeth hemstock 16 feb 1795 in clarborough. they had abt 10 children who are anne 1795 clarborough, possibly mary 1797 clarb, sarah 1798 clarb, joseph 1800 clarb, john 1803 ordsall, lucy 1805 e/retford, george 1807 e/retford, william 1809,henry 1811, abraham 1812, and eleanor 1814. he was the lock keeper at corporation wharf e/retford poss until he died in 1856.his brother george's children were called john and ann. george lived to be over 90 and died at sturton,georges poss baptism says 7 jan 1770 hayton, on ancestry it says the father is john but on freereg it says father is william.any help would be much appreciated,thanks
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also whats strange about this is a newspaper article from the retford times in 1911 about josephs grandson.in the article it mentions joseph,this is what it says mr joseph warburton came from grimsby as a young man to retford about 10 years after the opening of the chesterfield canal in 1777.he was employed as a carpenter by the canal company,and some years after he improved his position,when he lived in the lockhouse on the opposite side of the corporation wharf.it also says joseph joined a company of riflemen called the 3rd notts local militia raised in retford a hundred years ago(about 1810) by colonel john kirk. Ive looked at baptisms for grimsby but cant find anything. the grimsby bit could be a missprint poss gringley on the hill? this article also mentions his brother george a farmer at littleborough who died at sturton when over 90, but no other siblings.
thanks
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Joseph's baptism doesn't seem to be on the FHS CD but this could be George;s
1770 01 07 George WARBURTON father Jno WARBURTON HAYTON St Peter
(no name give for mother)
Other Warburton births for this time period in Hayton are:
1758 03 05 Dau Hannah father Jno. WHARBURTON mother Hanh.
1763 03 20 John Wm. WARBURTON (no mother)
1768 03 20 Elizabeth Jno. WARBURTON (no mother)
Marriage
1756 10 21 John WARBURTON Hannah BINGHAM HAYTON St Peter
the next Warburton marriage listed isn't until 1832.
Burials at Hayton
1773 06 09 John WARBURTON abode Hayton
1818 06 30 Hannah WHARBERTON age 84 abode Clarborough
1832 03 07 Elizabeth WARBURTON 64 abode Clarborough
There was a Joseph Warburton bapt at Clarborough in 1799 to William and Hannah W. Obviously this is not your Joseph but I wonder if freereg has got this wrong.
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There are lots of Warburtons on the Clarborough transcripts, going back to the 1730s; I wonder if the family had originally moved from there to Hayton then back to Clarborough? However there is no baptism for Joseph.
These are the only baptisms listed in Clarborough St John the Baptist for Joseph and Elizabeth
1795 04 12 Ann father Joseph WARBURTON mother Elizabeth abode Clarbo.
1797 02 19 Mary Joseph WARBURTON Elizth. Claro.
1798 12 09 Sarah Joseph WARBURTON Elizabeth Clarebo.
1800 12 28 Joseph Joseph WARBURTON Elizabeth
Just to confirm the others; all same parents and confirm Joseph's occupation as lockkeeper
1803 02 01 Son John ORDSALL All Hallows
1805 04 15 Lucy EAST RETFORD St Swithun
1807 02 01 George EAST RETFORD St Swithun
1809 02 10 William EAST RETFORD St Swithun
1811 05 07 Henry EAST RETFORD St Swithun
1812 12 14 Abraham EAST RETFORD St Swithun
1814 07 14 Eleanor (abode Canal Side) EAST RETFORD St Swithun
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How do you know that Joseph and George were brothers?
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thanks annie 65115 for taking time on this. george is mentioned in a newspaper article from 1911 about his grandson. if you look in my posts above you'll see ive quoted from that article about joseph and george.note the bit about grimsby, which i think maybe a missprint.
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I did see that; I just wondered if the information was based on anything from around the time that they were born, or whilst they were alive. If it's from something printed 150 years after their birth, it's possible that memories could be inaccurate.
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Looking at John Warburton and Hannah Bingham, then yes, it seems likely that John came from Clarborough and Hannah from Hayton, where they married.
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hi annie 65115
the reason im quite positive about george is he didnt die until 1862ish. hes in the 1861 census in sturton where it says he died,his son was the farmer by then.the article is about george warburton who is josephs grandson.he was born in 1836 so would surely know about george the brother of his grandad, hope you follow that ok,did you notice george the brothers kids names,john and ann. poss named after his parents,maybe she went by name of ann instead of hannah. joseph also has those names for his children. did you notice the 10 year gap with the children of john 1858-68 maybe they went elsewhere in that time
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I think you mean the gap in the 1700s? Yes, I noticed that - the family may have gone elsewhere (eg somewhere near Grimsby!) Or it may be that the PRs are illegible at that point.
Certainly there are entries on PRs that haven't made it onto the Notts CD. It can be extremely hard work trying to decipher some of the older ones. I would not feel satisfied that they WEREN'T on the relevant PR until I'd seen it with my own eyes.
that of course would mean a trip to Nottingham records office. Are you able to do that? Mind you, you will have to be quick - they are closing end the end of this month, for 6 months!
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my thoughts exactly with the parish records and moving theory. unfortunatly unable to get to nottingham due to work and family. thanks for your help,a bit cheeky but can you tell me if joseph and his wife elizabeth are buried at st swithins church east retford,he died 1 march 1856 and she died 15 march 1847,if you cant it dosent matter many thanks glyn
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Nope - those burials aren't listed anywhere. I've double checked and there were over 300 burials listed at St Swithun in that time period, so Joseph and Elizabeth must be elsewhere. Are there any civic cemeteries around there?
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i dont know all i know is they both died in east retford.thanks for looking anyway
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Maybe you could post another query or two--
maybe someone will be going to the records office and could check the PRs for you
maybe someone will know about any civic burial grounds around Retford.
I'm afraid I'm not local enough for that sort of knowledge!
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Well, here's Retford cemetery -but no Warburtons ---
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2187454
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good idea ill do another post for p/r lookup thanks again, glyn
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There are a couple of deaths registered on Free BMD at E. Retford after 1861 census.
Sept 1863 7b/5 George Warburton
This one Dec 1861 7b/5----(yes same volume & entry number.)
There is a burial for at Hayton
19-12-1861 George Warburton aged 4 months abode Clarborough.
There are only 2 Warburton burials at St Swithuns
26-11-1877 William abode Turks Head Yard
14-7-1887 Elizabeth abode Turks Head Yard.
4 burials in W Retford St Michael the Archangel
25-10-1829 Mary
5-7-1843 John
12-11-1857 John notes say Suicide verdict temporary insanity
24-12-1878 Lucenant.
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thanks larkspur
one of those two for george will be the right one,its a shame they dont give ages with them
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This will be the most likely one.
Sept 1863 7b/5 George Warburton.
"This one Dec 1861 7b/5----(yes same volume & entry number.)
There is a burial for at Hayton
19-12-1861 George Warburton aged 4 months abode Clarborough."
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i agree larkspur,thanks again