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Does anyone have anything on the Ceppis of Wellington Quay? I'm keen to trace Peter Ceppi senior and Frank Ceppi. Thanks
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Welcome to RootsChat.
You need to give us some dates.
There are some Ceppi baptisms on http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=&namel=Ceppi&location=&yyfrom=&yyto=&submit=Search
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Hi There and Welcome
Yes, as Sinann has said you need to give us lots of details for us to start helping.
Please give as much information re what finds you have already made !
Tara
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By simply googling CEPPI DUBLIN there is already a HUGE amount on this family online !
Tara
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Hello all and thanks for the prompt responses.
These people are my great-grandparents and I already have info gleaned on-line. I know that my great great grandfather Peter/Pietro was in Castle Street in the 1840s. He founded the company but I don't know if he died and is buried in Dublin or back in Switzerland, where he originally came from. Frank Ceppi was my great uncle. I know his dates of birth and death but have no idea about his life. He seems to have been a rather secretive person. I don't know if he married. I would like to know why my great aunt, Mary Adelaide, died as a child - but although she is in the family plot in Glasnevin there is no record of her death - nor of her father, my great grandfather, Seraphin. It seems that burial records/death certificates were not as rigorous as they are nowadays. Any pointers will be gratefully received. many thanks. PS I'm new to this site so forgive me if I'm not doing things properly!
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I can't find them in the 1901 census but they are in the 1911 and one of the children has died by than, so that may be Mary Adelaide
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra/St__Alphonsus_Road/25612/
She should have a death cert.
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She was born in 1888
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB8Q-PZ7
and Angela 1891
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FB69-DYM
The surname is probably miss transcribed for the deaths
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I see a Death record for Seraphin
Born 1953. Died aged 59.
Jul - Sep 1912
Dublin North
Volume 2
Page 329
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Typo Hasta ;D
Should say 1853 !
Tara
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What date is against Mary Adelaide's death in the family plot in Glasnevin ?
Tara
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Have you gotten the actual images of the Glasnevin burial records as they can give lots of more info.
Re Frank I doubt he married as I presume otherwise a widow would have been mentioned here !
Tara
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Seraphin Will !
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014917/005014917_00389.pdf
Tara
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What date is against Mary Adelaide's death in the family plot in Glasnevin ?
Tara
Had a look on Glasnevin Trust there is a Mary Ceppi age 5 1894
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Thanks Sinann
Using just Mary with her birth and death variants in Dublin South
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amary~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1889-1890~%20%2Bdeath_place%3A%22dublin%20south%22~%20%2Bdeath_year%3A1894-1894~
. . . and Dublin North
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amary~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1889-1890~%20%2Bdeath_place%3A%22dublin%20north%22~%20%2Bdeath_year%3A1894-1894~
Her death doesn't appear to be registered !
Tara
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Ceppi's Picture dealer
http://www.nli.ie/pdfs/mss%20lists/066_Ohara.pdf
1868 Mr Ceppi's aceptance lease no 8 wellington quay, refM36.346/13, letter to battersby & Co solicitors 16.5.1868
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Her death doesn't appear to be registered !
Tara
And not even when you leave the district blank.
Question is, is she not there or was she missed in the transcription.
A case of a visit to Werburgh St. or wait for Irish Genealogy to get the records back online.
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Hiya
I think Jane wanted a cause of death for Mary.
I'm pretty sure that information should be on the burial register(most of the late 19th Century ones that I have bought had it on them).
Maybe Jane just didn't see the option to buy that information for all the Ceppi graves (€2)
Tara
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Thanks for all your help. When we got the details of the others buried at Glasnevin, there were no burial records for either Mary or Seraphin, even though we know they are in there - at least the transcription says so and I have no reason to doubt that. I heard that death and burial certs were not always done back then. I have got everything I can from googling Ceppi and the census. It's just that I come up against a few brick walls at times. Can you suggest where else I might find death records?
This is a great resource! Thank you.
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I bought the Ceppi record from Glasnevin in 2012 and Seraphin was not in the grave. I bought it again (by mistake) earlier this year and he is there and described as a picture frame maker.
Mary Adelaide Ceppi is also there, died 24 Feb 1894 - cause of death was gastric fever. Francis Ceppi was a plaster statue maker - also in same grace.
Sorry to be so late with this information but do not check rootschat that often!
I am not related to Ceppi, but Francis was best man at my great grandfathers wedding in 1871 and Seraphin was a godparent to my grandfather in 1888. I believe my GGF worked with/for the Ceppis before he went into business (as a statue maker) after Francis died.
BTW Seraphin received a Certificate of Naturalization from the Home Office in London in 1899.
Hope this is of some help.
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Before Glasnevin trust had digitised their records i found the death cert for Joseph Pacelli in 1912 i inquired if he was buried in Glasnevin and he was but at that time you could not get a full readout of the grave,i was also looking for his daughter Philomena who i was able to find when the trust came on line some years later through fiddling with the index i found her buried as Flumina Pacelli.
Any way when i eventually located the grave through finding another Pacelli died 1918 there was a headstone on the grave with Joseph died 1912 on it however Joseph was not recorded as buried in this grave,so i went back to the office and found they had him recorded in same grave number but in another section of the graveyard which they have since rectified.
If the headstone had'nt recorded his name i probably would'nt be any the wiser to this day.
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I bought the Ceppi record from Glasnevin in 2012 and Seraphin was not in the grave. I bought it again (by mistake) earlier this year and he is there and described as a picture frame maker.
Mary Adelaide Ceppi is also there, died 24 Feb 1894 - cause of death was gastric fever. Francis Ceppi was a plaster statue maker - also in same grace.
Sorry to be so late with this information but do not check rootschat that often!
I am not related to Ceppi, but Francis was best man at my great grandfathers wedding in 1871 and Seraphin was a godparent to my grandfather in 1888. I believe my GGF worked with/for the Ceppis before he went into business (as a statue maker) after Francis died.
BTW Seraphin received a Certificate of Naturalization from the Home Office in London in 1899.
Hope this is of some help.
Valerio - I don't know if this is the way to reply as I don't use this much. Thanks so much for your post. Are you from the Arigho family?? I would love to be able to contact you directly as I think we could maybe give each other quite a lot of information.
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Before Glasnevin trust had digitised their records i found the death cert for Joseph Pacelli in 1912 i inquired if he was buried in Glasnevin and he was but at that time you could not get a full readout of the grave,i was also looking for his daughter Philomena who i was able to find when the trust came on line some years later through fiddling with the index i found her buried as Flumina Pacelli.
Any way when i eventually located the grave through finding another Pacelli died 1918 there was a headstone on the grave with Joseph died 1912 on it however Joseph was not recorded as buried in this grave,so i went back to the office and found they had him recorded in same grave number but in another section of the graveyard which they have since rectified.
If the headstone had'nt recorded his name i probably would'nt be any the wiser to this day.
Hello Dathai - yes, graves and records work in interesting ways indeed!Where were the Pacellis from?
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I have a copy of a travel document for Francis Pacelli 1919 gives his date of birth 1868 Marsicovetore ? Italy
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I have a copy of a travel document for Francis Pacelli 1919 gives his date of birth 1868 Marsicovetore ? Italy
Ok Thanks. The Ceppis were from Switzerland. It seems a lot of them emigrated in the 19th century - maybe even earlier.
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not sure if you have this Francis H Ceppi 1933 will administered by Caroline Ceppi,Widow (his mother?)
you can apply for a copy
Search archives here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
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not sure if you have this Francis H Ceppi 1933 will administered by Caroline Ceppi,Widow (his mother?)
you can apply for a copy
Search archives here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
Thanks so much! I have Seraphin's will but not Frank's so have made the application today. I'm really grateful to you. Yes, Caroline was his mother.
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Hello JaneSims,
No I am not an Arigho! My GGF name was originally Quaradeghini which he shortened around 1880 to Deghini. Unfortunately he couldn't spell and the priests where he was married and who baptised his children couldn't spell his name either. You probably know this, but Ceppi & Arigho were in partnership together, for a period, as Picture Framers operating from 8 Wellington Quay. They also may have come to Ireland together as they were both Swiss and came from villages that were only 3 or 4 kilometres apart (near the Italian border)
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Hello JaneSims,
No I am not an Arigho! My GGF name was originally Quaradeghini which he shortened around 1880 to Deghini. Unfortunately he couldn't spell and the priests where he was married and who baptised his children couldn't spell his name either. You probably know this, but Ceppi & Arigho were in partnership together, for a period, as Picture Framers operating from 8 Wellington Quay. They also may have come to Ireland together as they were both Swiss and came from villages that were only 3 or 4 kilometres apart (near the Italian border)
Sorry! Yes, I do know the name Quardeghini as it took me ages to work it out from the church records! And yes, I have all the Ceppi/Arigho info - ads from newspapers etc. So your GGF was Antonio of Winetavern St? My family came from Cabbio but what I would really like to know is when. The first record I have is for 1847, when Peter Ceppi, my GGGF was working with Codoni in Paris. As it happens, Codonis are the other half of that side of my family. My GGM, Serafin's wife, was one. At that time, the Ceppis were at 12 Castle St. Then there is an ad in a newspaper in 1861 - that seems to be the first - for Pietro Ceppi, 12 Castle Street. I don't know if Peter was the first to come over, but would love to find out. I'm also curious to know how many "sons" there were to P Ceppi & Sons. I know of Francesco, Serafino (my GGF) and Eugenio but don't know if there were more. Where does your family come into all of this? Are you still in Dublin? Many thanks for all of this!
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Yes - my GGF John (Giovanni) of Winetavern Street (and several other addresses around that area). The only Ceppis I came across were Francis and Seraphin (although I did come across a Eugine as a godparent somewhere but assumed it was a mistake!) I did also discover that Francis attended the Dublin Metropolitan School of Art on Thomas Street in 1873 when he was about 22 years old and was described as a sculptor - actually he listed as T. Ceppi which I assumed was an error and should have been F. Ceppi? I think that this info may no longer be available on the internet? My Great Uncle went to the same school of art years later and painted the statues made by his father! Did you ever get anywhere with the Arigho and Ceppi families travelling together to Dublin? Did they come through London or even England?
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Yes - my GGF John (Giovanni) of Winetavern Street (and several other addresses around that area). The only Ceppis I came across were Francis and Seraphin (although I did come across a Eugine as a godparent somewhere but assumed it was a mistake!) I did also discover that Francis attended the Dublin Metropolitan School of Art on Thomas Street in 1873 when he was about 22 years old and was described as a sculptor - actually he listed as T. Ceppi which I assumed was an error and should have been F. Ceppi? I think that this info may no longer be available on the internet? My Great Uncle went to the same school of art years later and painted the statues made by his father! Did you ever get anywhere with the Arigho and Ceppi families travelling together to Dublin? Did they come through London or even England?
Wow! I never knew about art school! I will dig around and see if I can find anything. Thank you. When Francis died, he was recorded as Charles, for some reason. I have no idea about when the Arighos and Ceppis got together. Frustrating!
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Hello all,
Hope you don't mind me butting in here - I'm researching my GGGF, Giovanni/John Carri b.~1838 who came to Clonmel, Tipperary from the Como area in Italy.
I know from elderly family members' accounts that he supposedly travelled with his friend Giovanni/John Arigho - (or perhaps they met en route and ended up arriving together?), and they were both picture framers by trade. She knew that Arigho had a business in Christ Church Dublin from being told so in her childhood.
I found John Arigho's grave here: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=81555378&ref=acom
I wondered if anyone here had any further information on that journey from Italy/Switzerland or travel records for them arriving. I know they came on foot over the alps according to my grandmother. Other elderly relatives seem to think he came from Belaggio, so not too far from the Swiss border and Caneggio where Arigho came from. Giovanni Carri seemed to stop for about 10 years in London first, and appears on the 1861 and 71 census with a picture framing shop. There he met an Irish wife, hence his movement eventually to Clonmel. I also heard that he went to visit Bianconi along with his friend Arigho when they first arrived in Clonmel, though I can find no record of Arighos in Clonmel at that time.
It may of interest from the Ceppi perspective that in the 1861 census Giovanni Carri is listed alongside a boarder "Ciappa Giovanni", aged 22, a journeyman presumably in picture framing also. I worked out just from google searching Giovanni as a surname that it's likely the surname and forename are mixed up, as seems to be the case for a couple of the other residents in the house. Perhaps this is actually a Giovanni Ceppi?
Also my elderly relative said that they fled northern Italy because at the time families were being made to surrender land and their sons to the Austrian army.
Here is the ancestry link: http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1861&h=5727875&ti=5538&indiv=try&gss=pt&ssrc=pt_t80862312_p34427943590_kpidz0q3d34427943590z0q26pgz0q3d32768z0q26pgplz0q3dpid
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Also just happened to find this which may be of interest:
http://www.kildare.ie/ehistory/index.php/james-joyce-padraig-pearse-and-naas-parish-church/
Upon googling the surname Ciappa it seems fairly common, so I don't think the Ciappa boarding with Giovanni Carri is likely to be a Ceppi.
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Hello there!
You're not butting in at all - very pleased to hear from you. I too would love to know how they travelled and have searched and searched but not found anything. The family story was that they came over with Bianconi but having looked at his biography, none of the boys was a Ceppi. I also heard about the journey on foot over the Alps. Now I have another name - Carri - I can start looking in other directions. Do let me know if you find out any more!
Many thanks
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Hello! - just wondering, Jane, if you and your fellow posters are still interested in this topic?
My husband's family were Arigho in Dublin.
It has been fascinating to read what you have found so far, and I would like to know if we can help each other further.
Please let me know if you're still interested/active.
Thanks and
Regards
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Yes!! I am still looking and still interested. Would love to hear more from you and to find out if we can help each other.
Jane
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Hello,
Have been putting my information into order for you.
My husband is related to John Arigho's daughter Elizabeth, born 1866. A sponsor at her christening was Peter Ceppi. :)
John also had a son William Henry born 1873, sponsor Siraphen Cappi.
Also, Quardeghini child's sponsor in 1877 was John's 1st wife Ellen!
Lovely to see these people being friends later in their lives, long after John's travels from Switzerland and Italy.
Am going to visit my local familysearch.com centre near me, to search the Caneggio church films for John's father Baptist and his wife Constanza's details.
John had a brother Louis (name also of my husband's father), who married, we think en route to Ireland, a French girl Leontine Lefebvre. She also pops up as Maria Estella and Ellen! Not sure of her birth date, could be 1846.
Looks from the website irishgenealogy.ie that there are still Arigho's in Dublin, would love to contact them.
May put a message on the boards.
Cannot offer you any more information, but my husband has a prayer book published by John Arigho of Dublin, which is lovely to have. Have also seen John's memorial on find-a-grave.com.
Will keep digging and see if I come up with anything of interest to you.
Kind regards.
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Hi Everyone,
Just wondering when Peter Ceppi married (ie date and place) and when his death occurred in Dublin
around the turn of century?
John Rogers
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c reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for ceppi http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nak/
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To whom it may concern,
Thank for the said info (I did very same said search earlier today)... Still no sign of Peter Ceppi death record though, I have a listing of him 1887 and he is not recorded in 1901 Irish Census (so he must have died in-between these two time periods. I have tried variant spelling of his name and still no result; so maybe he didn't died in Ireland? Or might he have passed away in Paris or somewhere else? Like all genealogy one has to be patient 'and all good things comes to those that wait'... Yours John
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Which Peter are you looking for?
Seraphine's cousin Peter is living with him in 1911, so who is the Peter you are looking for and when was he born?
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Hello again
Peter senior was my great great grandfather. I have been trying for years to find out about his movements but to no avail. He seems to have come over to Ireland leaving his wife behind in Switzerland. Then gradually, the sons came over to Dublin to live and help in the family business. There is never any mention of his wife - Angelina/Angela Bulla.
My feeling is that Peter returned to Switzerland when Seraphin, my great grandfather, took over the business. I have been to the village cemetery and the church to look through ancient records but have not managed to find a trace. If anyone knows how to access the Swiss civil records, I'd be delighted to have some help! Please let me know if you find something - and thanks for the interest!
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Hi Jane,
Any idea when Peter was born and area of Switzerland? He seems to have spent sometime in Paris working under Condoni ca1847 (is this true or just a family myth), after this brief french sojourn Peter returned to Switzerland and married Angelina/Angela; the couple had three sons Francesco, Dominico, and Seraphin (am I missing any children?). The first mentioned I have of him in Dublin is in advertisement in Oct 1861 and last mention in said city is in 1887. I believe Seraphin took over the family business in the later 1880s... JOhn Rogers
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Hi All,
Peter Ceppi was still in Dublin May 1900
He is again mentioned in the local newspapers in Oct 1896, Oct 1897 and 19th May 1900: 1) St Lawrence’s Home for Nurses for the Sick Poor… P Ceppi… 2s…; 2) Meeting of the Friends of [Irish Catholic Boys] Brigade… P Ceppi…; 3) Donations to St Mary Church of Angels, Church-street… P Ceppi Esq, Wellington-quay £1… (FJ or DCA, 12th Oct 1896, 25th Oct 1897 and DUDN, 19th May 1900).
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Hi John
I really can't get much on Peter senior at all. The Codoni connection in Paris is true because Seraphin married Caroline Codoni in Notre Dame. As to the other sons, I have never heard of Domenico but there was a Eugenio. Francesco died in Dublin in 1880 - under the name of Charles Ceppi - for some reason.... I think the P Ceppi mentioned in the papers could be Eugenio's son, Peter. He also seems to have worked for the company and was in Dublin for some time, but then returned to Mendrisio where he had a little hotel - about which I know nothing, but would love to!
Can I ask what your interest is in the Ceppis? And can you let me have more on Domenico?
Many thanks
jane
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Hi Jane,
Do you have a date for Seraphin marriage to Caroline in Notre Dame? Sorry I don't known where I got Dominico (I meant Eugenio). Charles Ceppi died in 1890 (look below to see more details on him), and he should not be confused with Francesco. As for the P Ceppi I believe this is the old man (not the great nephew) look at the last donation to St Mary Church £1 (about £120 in todays money) a young man in his 20s would not be giving such a large donation (he would have other things on his mind)... John Rogers
CEPPI OR CERRI, Carlo or Charles, Frame Maker, 12 Castle-street, Dublin 1873. Carlo Ceppi entered the South Dublin Union (or Workhouse) on the 7th August 1873: Name-Carlo Ceppi, Age-34, Marital Status-Widower, Type of Employment-Frame Maker, Religion-Roman Catholic, Disability-Not Listed, Name of Wife-Not Listed, Number of Children-Not Listed, Reason for Entering Workhouse-Not Listed, Date of Entry-7th August 1873, Date of Departure-22nd August 1873 (Dublin Workhouses Admission & Discharge Registers 1840-1920). Death of Charles Ceppi (aged-35) Statue Maker at St Vincent on the 11th Nov 1890 of brights disease (Deaths: Civil Registration of Ireland 1845-1958).
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Hello John
This is all getting very interesting!
Serafino and Caroline got married in Notre Dame on 21 August 1886. They are also recorded as having married in their family village in Switzerland on 6 September 1886.
Re Francis/Charles - I have looked again at the civil records and Charles died in 1880. His entry could look like 1890 but the others on that page are all 1880 - and Francis is in our family grave with that date.I also have a record of him at the Metropolitan School of Art that someone else found for me.
He's listed as F Ceppi, aged 22, entered in 1873. In addition to making statues, the company also made picture frames.
The business appears to have started at 12 Castle Street - so that would work - but the dates are a bit confusing. I can't imagine there was another Ceppi in Dublin as we have never heard of one but perhaps this was Charles??? I find the workhouse entry very interesting and will follow that up.
Peter - also very interesting and I will get on to that too.
Thanks for all this!
Jane
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Hello again - have just checked civil records and there was indeed a Carlo CERRI, sculptor, who married Mary Lyons in 1846. He is definitely not our man.
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To Jane,
On second thought I think Charles and Francesco are the same person. I think I misread the date and I wrote 1890 and should have put 1880 (so you are correct). But I still think the P Ceppi is the senior one (and not grand nephew)... John
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I think you're right about Peter. I am now trying to find the actual marriage record in Notre Dame of Serafino and Caroline but it's not in the Paris archives. Do you have any idea how I could find it?
Their village in Switzerland is Cabbio, Ticino.
I'm trying to copy the notice to this message but it won't work. Would email be easier?