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I think I should know the answer to this by now but ....
On Freebmd I have found a birth in 1895 which I think may be the one I am looking for. I know the first name of the mother but am unsure what surname she may use, but cannot see a way to specify on the GRO form that I only want the certificate issued if mother is X.
I then checked Lancashire BMD and found the same birth in the index. While checking other spellings of the surname I noted that the index lists some of the mother's maiden surnames but not others. Why is that? Does that indicate anything regarding information on the b/c or is it purely related to what has/has not been entered into the database?
Of course for the birth I am looking at there is no mmn. ::)
Thanks for any help with this.
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It depends on the area. Some are transcribed but others aren't. I know Oldham shows mother's name and I think Wigan does also.
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I think there's an ongoing project to add the mother's maiden names
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/update.php
Cheers, JM
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Thanks JM. I also found a birth on the GRO index which is not in LancsBMD, so presumably it is a work in progress ...
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Thanks JM. I also found a birth on the GRO index which is not in LancsBMD, so presumably it is a work in progress ...
Yes I have found a few like that also.
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It's always the ones you want too. ::)
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Hi
I know that for one of the projects, some registrars would not allow the maiden names to be included.
Heather
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I wonder why that would be? Maybe to compel people to purchase certificates?
It has the opposite effect in my case. I know if the birth/s I was looking at included mmn then I would actually buy the certificate as I am also interested to know the father's name.
As it is the certificate is not essential to my research so I probably will not purchase at this stage.
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I think I should know the answer to this by now but ....
On Freebmd I have found a birth in 1895 which I think may be the one I am looking for. I know the first name of the mother but am unsure what surname she may use, but cannot see a way to specify on the GRO form that I only want the certificate issued if mother is X.
If you want to specify a parent's name then don't tick the box that asks "is the ref number known",it will give you the option on page 2 to complete other reference checking points.
Mind you if the name is even slightly different Mary rather than Mary Ann for eg,then they won't send it.
Carol
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Is there a baptism on one of the sites for the child? Mind you, not all baptisms give mum's surname!
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Thanks Carol. I will give that a try. I realise that they are very specific about their search terms. And not a bad guess - mother's name is Mary Jane. ::)
Thanks Heywood, I'll have a look on Ancestry just in case his baptism is there - I've never found one yet but I might get lucky ...
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Or Lancs opc perhaps?
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I agree with Carol on saying NO to if you have the GRO reference.
I did it myself recently even though I thought I had the correct reference (which I did).
On the next page I gave name of mother and date of baptism. I did this as I did not want another incorrect certificate.
You will be warned that the certificate will take longer, but better to wait than be disappointed.
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Thanks msr. I will give it a shot. :)
Lancs OPC might be worth a try first though - thanks again Heywood. :)
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The LancsBMD project is ongoing, with mother's maiden names being added, also updating marriages (eventually) with alternative names for the bride.
Not sure about some registrars refusing to allow maiden names to be included though. Would seem a little selfish to say the least.
You haven't mentioned names Ruskie, or said which area of Lancashire you are looking at. Is it something we can help with?
Susan
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Sadly, no results on Lancs OPC.
Susan, I've narrowed down a couple of likely candidates on Freebmd who may fill in some blanks in one of my families.
They are, as follows, with GRO ref nos:
Births Jun 1895 Thomas Byrd W.Derby 8b 594
Births Jun 1901 James Bird W.Derby 8b 284
Deaths Dec 1908 Margaret Baird age 20 Liverpool 8b 66
If they are the right children, mother should be Mary Jane Griffiths or Bird/Byrd/Baird.
I would like to know the father's name on all three (but unsure if d/c or burial would give father's name of a 20 year old).
I expect certificates are the only way to find out what I want to know, however if anyone can help via any other means that would be wonderful. :)
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Is that the family at 1901 3496/142/44
James and Mary J Bird with several children including Margaret 13 yrs and Thomas 6 yrs.
There is a James, 1 yr though :-\
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Yes Heywood that is the family. I see I have made an error in my calculations (I'm not very good at sums ::)) and that the James b 1901 can't be the one on the census. Oops ... :-[ that's embarrassing.
I will look again later to see if I can find a more suitable birth for James b 1901.
Initially I was looking just for Thomas b 1895, but then I spied the others which I thought might be worth investigating.
I cannot see a birth for Margaret, but I believe she may have died before the 1911 census. However I don't want to send you all on a wild goose chase for her as she has already been looked for on previous threads.
I might add that I do not require any census lookups for this family - it is just the births I am interested in to see who the father is ...
Thanks for your interest. :)
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I would like to know the father's name on all three (but unsure if d/c or burial would give father's name of a 20 year old).
I expect certificates are the only way to find out what I want to know, however if anyone can help via any other means that would be wonderful. :)
Death certificates from England/Wales don't show any family!
Except the informant, who may, or may not, be related? ::)
Also Lan-OPC will only show entries from the Anglican Parish Registers?
If your lot were Catholic or non-conformist, then they won't appear?
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Hi
LancashireOPC does have some non-conformist records, in fact they just uploaded some Catholic records in the last couple of weeks.
LancashireBMD (and other counties) rely on the goodwill of the Registrars allowing volunteers access to the Register Office to transcribe the index. In the case of the Registrar (who was not in Lancashire) who requested the deletion of mothers maiden names for births pre 1911, their argument was I believe that the legislation only allowed mothers maiden name to be included from 1911 in line with the GRO.
Andy
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I didn't know that, Andy!
I stand corrected! ;D
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I didn't know that, Andy!
I stand corrected! ;D
I only knew because I just got a message of the latest updates on the Rootsweb Liverpool List and it included some Catholic records
Andy
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KGarrad, I thought that if the child was young enough their d/c might mention "child of (father's name / father's occupation" - at least it does sometimes with burials. That is why I mentioned that I was unsure if this would name a father as the girl was 20 years old. And yes, the informant can sometimes be useful. :)
The family were not Catholic or non conformist.