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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: iluleah on Saturday 18 October 14 17:26 BST (UK)
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I am looking for Robert Dobson, on his marriage in Shepshed in 1813 it says he is of Gumley Leicestershire.
I can find no baptism in Gumley for him ( b c 1772) the only baptism I can find for any Robert Dobson is in 1769 in Stretton en le Field Leicester. I have found no further siblings.
The couple after marriage moved to and lived in Welford Lutterworth Northamptonshire, in 1841 he is 69yrs old and a Coal heaver, not born in County, he died in 1843, so the only indication of where he came from is from his marriage record. There are other Dobsons in Welford who are also Coal Merchants although at this time I have not made any proved connections
I know there are graves in Gumley with the surname Dobson, so looking for other Dobsons to see if I could break this wall down by going sideways I found numerous Dobson although later generations, all seem to be following the naming procedure with regards to repeating given names of children and seem to move away from Leicestershire, some in Notts, some in London.
I then found a Will of a Joseph Dobson, Inn Keeper, Coal Merchant and Glazier of Gumley Debdale , Leicestershire. Prerogative Court of 8 July 1833 which today I have got a copy of so thinking a 'potential' brother unfortunately although a 4 page Will and very detailed it only names his wife and children.
Does anyone have any suggestions, any help appreciated
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I'm guessing no Dobson witnesses at marriage?
Jackie
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You guess right :'(
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I am looking for Robert Dobson, on his marriage in Shepshed in 1813 it says he is of Gumley Leicestershire.
When a parish is named on a marriage entry, it simply means that was where he was living when the banns were called!
It does not refer to his place of birth ::)
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Yes I am aware of that, however at that time there are few other records so without other records to prove one way or another, it is one clue that I have followed.
They lived in Northamptonshire, but were not from that county
Robert/Ann married in Shepshed Leicestershire , her parish but not his
Looking at other 'connections' in other areas with the same surname.. such as an occupation like coal brought me to the place they lived in and Gumley (and Debdale, Dedale Wharf and Smeeton Westerby) which 'suggests' coal transport boats along the canal and other connections in Ann family were boatmen
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Only just come across this as a descendant of Robert & Ann; I don't have anything more on Robert but I have bits and pieces on Ann Whitworth if you're lacking there :)
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Only just come across this as a descendant of Robert & Ann; I don't have anything more on Robert but I have bits and pieces on Ann Whitworth if you're lacking there :)
Thanks.
It is Robert that is the issue with the 1841 census the only clue stating he was born out of county while living in Northamptonshire, all that tells me he was not born in Northamptonshire, or assumes he wasn't.
Their marriage states at the time he was ( living/working) in Gumley, there are no Dobson's baptising 'a Robert' there.
Stretton en le Field Robert Dobson: 'Could' be the right side of Leicester to meet Ann in/near Shepshed, would mean he was 3yrs older than claimed which might make sense as Ann was much younger than him....but could and possibles is not research , proof or records
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I incline towards the Stretton christening in 1772. There is a Joseph Dobson (1767, Stretton) who died and was buried in Gumley in 1833, and the age at death matches.
On another note, how much luck have you had with the Whitworth side?
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However, on FamilySearch it isn't clear if the events are in Great Stretton or Stretton en le Field.
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familysearch? It depends on where their information is from, however even the information from FindMyPast which goes to the PRs it seems they don't know and add both..... it is Stretton en le Field , FS and FindMyPast don't realise Stretton en le Field is one side of Leicester and Great Stretton is the opposite side
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That's right, it was transcribed from FindMyPast. Quite a lot of the Leicestershire records are. Nonetheless, the Joseph Dobson evidence does point to Isaac and Mary Dobson as Robert's parents.
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Yes it does, but 'point to' is not record proof.... and I like record proof :-\
Of course I suspect it was the same parents who had 3 Roberts, 1769, 1770, and 1772... as Stretton en le Field borders, Leicester /Derby ( Swadlincote to me is Derbyshire not Leicestershire) so potentially 3 Robert's 'baptised' Measham ( Derbyshire)/ Stretton en le Field/Great Stretton...meaning potentially 2 died, so where are the two buried?
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I'm the same :)
There's two burials for Robert Dobson there in 1770, so I think there must be some mistake in transcribing the burials.
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They are on FindMyPast, so the PRs........ and at that time it was not unusual to name a child the same as a previous child who was ill and they thought would die.
1st Robert bap Jan 1769 could have died and was buried on the same date as 2nd Robert 31 Oct 1770, 2nd Robert then died/buried Nov 1770... then 1772 3rd Robert born, so 'potentially' the right age for 'our' Robert.
Interesting you have reminded me about Joseph.... more research required to see if I can see if there is anything proving Joseph bap 15 Mar 1767 is the same as the one who married Mary or Ann and living in Gumley... one married in Kibworth Beauchamp the other Enderby
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I did consider the 2 Roberts hypothesis, and your explanation does make some sense. I haven't investigated much into Joseph other than his birth and death.
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I did consider the 2 Roberts hypothesis, and your explanation does make some sense. I haven't investigated much into Joseph other than his birth and death.
So easy to see now what research we are both getting into ;D
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I think that its either a massive coincidence that there are two Dobsons living in Gumley that match perfectly with the christenings according to their burial information.
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Its a clue and a good starting point....... and often a good thing to be reminded to research sideways although we all know what we should do, but 'forget' when it is our 'own'
Which is Robert and Ann's children do you descend from?
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I descend from John, born in Welford in 1822. He moved to Wigston in Leicestershire and married Caroline Pochin in 1857. That goes down to my Wigston family up to my Grandad and then down to me.
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So what number of 'greats' is John to you ?
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Three greats to me. He died in Wigston in 1901.
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So we are 4th cousins once removed
The research into potential siblings of Robert looks promising, especially with the family naming pattern of their children compared to Robert and Ann's
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Wow! And that's good that the naming patterns match up. It looks like the mystery of Robert Dobson is solved! But where was he born: Great Stretton or Stretton en le Fields?
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I don't have access to FPM and so working on the transcription, not PR, but need to see what the PR says ... born before civil registration so no idea, baptised in Stretton en le Fields.... not sure I would call the naming pattern proof, however it certainly is a positive clue in the absence of real records, but I need to research Roberts potential two other siblings.
I was surprised to see one of Robert's potential nieces with a servant from Welford, Northamptonshire and I was hoping she wrote a Will but I can't find one, although another did leaving £1365 16s 3d but just to one niece in Gumley
I am now looking at Roberts grandchildren and his potential siblings grandchildren to see if the naming continues, of course that also adds their partners family naming patterns.
What were John /Caroline childrens given names?
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John and Caroline Dobson's children's names were:
Adeline, Charlotte, Clara, Ellen, Emma, George (after Caroline's father) and Horace.
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Considering only George is a family name from either side, it's safe to say they broke with tradition in terms of naming. They didn't use Robert (John's father), Ann (John's mother) or Frances (Caroline's mother).
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I was just about to say Caroline's choices more likely
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Yes; I find that by about the mid-19th century parents start giving their children non-traditional names i.e. not the usual Johns and Williams or Anns and Marys.
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Yes that is true, they had more access to other outside influences and fashions were changing...and more recently people are going back to traditional names which may or may not have been used in their ancestry.