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Title: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: johnson1948 on Friday 24 October 14 10:27 BST (UK)
Looking for any information on two Banardo girls who sailed on the Polynesian in 1885 to Quebec, Canada.
Ruth and Florence Kingham, father was David Kingham 1847-1890 from Hitchin, Herts. Mother was Caroline Cannon 1866-1931.
Ruth was born in 1873 so she was 13 when she left England and Florence was aged 6.
I have the passenger list for the Polynesian, but would like to know more of the Canada side.
My mother was a Barnes, so the Kingham, Barnes and Johnson family are closely related, in Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire.
Any info appreciated.
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 24 October 14 11:01 BST (UK)
Florence Kingham  born 1881 England (father David Kingham) married William C Milsom 21 August 1901 Toronto Ontario. William was a piano finisher.

Sandra

Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 24 October 14 11:03 BST (UK)
Florence appears on the 1901 Toronto Census with the Kenny family. (You can view on this link)

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/

Wm Kenny  50 Isabella Kenny  46
Jenny Kenny  12 Annie Harris  41
Ellen Page  28 Wm Spanton  19
Florence Kingham  22 Born England 9 June 1878. Domestic
Geo Boren  40

Sandra
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: AMBLY on Friday 24 October 14 11:27 BST (UK)
MARRIAGE: 27 Oct 1892, 4 Blacker St, Toronto, York, Ontario
Bride: Ruth KINGHAM 22, Spinster, b England
Residence: Toronto
Father: David KINGHAM
Mother: Janet KINGHAM
Groom: William Neslon ROWLEY 36, Widower, b  North Augusta, Ontario,
Residence: Lindsay, Ontario, Occ: Agent,
Father: Nathaniel ROWLEY
Mother: Catherine ROWLEY
Witness': Maggie BRIGHT, Toronto & Jennie ACHESON, Toronto

MARRIAGE: 9 Oct 1907, Toronto, York, Ontario
Bride: Ruth KINGHAM 34, Spinster, b England
Residence: Toronto
Father: David KINGHAM
Mother: Jennie PAGE
Groom: George NEWMAN 49, Widower, b  England,
Residence: Toronto. Occ: Iron Worker,
Father: George NEWMAN
Mother: Eliza SAWYER
Witness': Mr & Mrs Robert & Mrs Rob't WENTWORTH, Toronto

MARRIAGE:  21 Aug 1901, Toronto, York, Ontario
Bride: Florence KINGHAM 20, Spinster, b England
Father: David KINGHAM
Mother: Jane PAGE
Groom: William C MILSOM 20, Bachelor, b Toronto, Piano Finisher
Father: John MILSOM
Mother: Fanny NELSON

Different mother's name?

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: AMBLY on Friday 24 October 14 11:33 BST (UK)
father was David Kingham 1847-1890 from Hitchin, Herts. Mother was Caroline Cannon 1866-1931.Ruth was born in 1873 so she was 13 when she left England and Florence was aged 6

Caroline b 1866 couldn't have been the birth mother of either girl  :) was she a stepmother maybe?

FreeBMD: MARRIAGE Jun Qtr 1866, Hitchin, on same page:
David KINGHAM
Jane PAGE

Cheers
AMBLY
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: Christine53 on Friday 24 October 14 11:54 BST (UK)
Caroline Cannon m 10 Sep 1885 Holy Saviour Hitchin David Kingham.

Ruth Mary Ann Kingham baptised Knebworth Herts 1876 , father David mother Jane

Jane Kingham b abt 1845 d 1880 J-S 1880 Hitchin 3a 219
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: johnson1948 on Friday 24 October 14 13:18 BST (UK)
Thank you for all the replies. There was another marriage to David Kingham. As pointed out it was Jane Page 1845-1880. Caroline Cannon also married twice to a George Hawkins. They had a son also George born 1893.
I've just rechecked this and Jane Page was the mother of Ruth and Florence. As mentioned sorry about the wrong info.
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 24 October 14 13:32 BST (UK)
1921 Census - 76 Garden Avenue Parkdale Toronto Ontario

George Newman  64 Born 1857 England. Boat-Builder.
Ruth Newman  46 Born England. immigrated 1885.

Sandra
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: RunKitty on Friday 24 October 14 18:10 BST (UK)
Hi,

Florence and William on Euclid Avenue (Toronto) in 1911.  They have a son William, age 7 (born Aug 1903)

http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=49996

RK
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: RunKitty on Friday 24 October 14 18:27 BST (UK)
Unfortunately, it looks like Florence died young.  There is a death notice in the Toronto Star newspaper July 29, 1933, page 21.  Her first name is never used :P :P

It says that Mrs W. C. Milson (same spelling as in the 1911 census) died at the Toronto General Hospital, following surgery.  Her address was 350 Beresford Avenue.  She was a "lifelong resident of Toronto", an active member of St. Paul's Anglican Church, Runnymeade.  She was worthy mistress of St. Ann lodge of the L.O.B.A. , no. 416.  She was also a member of the Unity Chapter, Eastern Star, no 20.  She is survived by her husband William C. Milson, and 4 sons William John, Harley Alvin, Delbert Sidney and Kenneth Gordon.  She has one sister, Mrs Newman.  Everyone lives in Toronto...

RK 
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 25 October 14 00:27 BST (UK)
Awe, a Milson descendant is looking for ancestry, but it is such an old thread, the email may be defunct  http://boards.ancestry.ca/surnames.milson/10/mb.ashx

Here is Ruth in 1901 TORONTO (West ) (City ) Ward 4 ( Florence was in ward 3
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=73420&highlight=34
William A Hanes Ontario
Caroline Hanes Ontario
Ford Hanes 9 Months   Ontario
Ruth Kingham ( also transcribed as Kinghan) Domestic   born July 15 1875 England age 25 says imm.1882

so the girls weren't that far apart in age then? ( as stated on arrival in Canada )

Oh, I see FreeBMD she was born 1872...baptised late.... But how can she be registered in June Quarter if born July?

1881 shows only a 6 years between them...What happened to George born in between???
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3PR-C44
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: J.J. on Saturday 25 October 14 01:04 BST (UK)
Scroll down to June 1885 and the gals are in a photo upon arrival ( in Peterborough)
http://canadianbritishhomechildren.weebly.com/immigration-parties.html

A Thomas Kingham also came over in 1885 age 10...could be have been yours?
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/home-children-1869-1930/immigration-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=21275&

Nevermind I added the 1881 to above thread and see no Thos
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: johnson1948 on Saturday 25 October 14 14:15 BST (UK)
Thank you J.J. I have seen the photograph and list of names only last week, That's how I found they had gone to Canada. Fascinating website.
I've been puzzling over some of the dates and ages especially for Ruth but I find they vary a little anyway.
On the 1881 census Ruth is down as being born in Codicote, another says Knebworth. George is down as Knebworth in the parish of Codicote. They are only 3 miles apart.
George is still a mystery where he is.
Thank you for all the replies, its certainly moved on a lot further.
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 25 October 14 14:21 BST (UK)
Perhaps this is George :- 1891 Welwyn Hertfordshire.

RG12 Piece 1113 Folio 29 Page 8


William Gower  34
Rachel Gower  35
Albert Gower  14
Evelene Gower  8
Frances Gower  6
George Kingham  16 Born 1875  Codicote, Hertfordshire. Nephew. Coal-Carter.

Sandra
 


 


 
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 25 October 14 14:22 BST (UK)
Marriage 1896 Hatfield George Kingham to Elizabeth Stratton ? 3 a 915 June 1896

Sandra
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 25 October 14 14:24 BST (UK)
1901 Welwyn St Mary Hertfordshire


George Kingham  26 Born Welwyn Hertfordshire. Gardener Domestic
Elizabeth Kingham  27
Edith F Kingham  5
Ethel M Kingham  4
Annie E Kingham  3
Olive M Kingham  1
Unnamed Kingham  1 month.

Sandra
 


 


 
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: johnson1948 on Saturday 25 October 14 15:00 BST (UK)
Sandra. Thank you, Rachel Gower is Rachel Kingham daughter of William and Sarah. Again the born in Codicote then Welwyn. As you follow it through the census records.
Looks promising though.
Thomas being the unnamed Kingham
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 25 October 14 17:27 BST (UK)
Hi,

William Calvin Milson (husband of Florence) died in Toronto on Sept 25, 1936. 

There is a very short paragraph in the Toronto Star.  It says he was leaving his work on Hanna Avenue, and he collapsed and died from a heart attack.  He was 50 years old and his address had been 350 Beresford Road.  Coroner ruled death was from natural causes.

There is a very short death notice in the Globe and Mail too.  It says he was 54 years old and was the beloved husband of the late Florence.  Father of William, Harley, Delbert and Kenneth.  Burial at St. John's Norway cemetery.

The same notice from the Globe is also in the Markdale Standard.   You can see it here on page 1... near the bottom on the right of the page.  http://news.ourontario.ca/ghpl/1123467/data?n=4   Just click on the image of the paper on the right of this link, the select Page 1... and you should be able to find it. 



RK
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 25 October 14 17:50 BST (UK)
Kenneth Gordon Milson died at his home on Dec 17, 1990 - husband of L, and dear brother of Harley.  The other brothers aren't mentioned. Kenneth leaves many nieces and nephews.  He is buried in Pine Hills Cemetery (this is in Scarborough, Ontario)

RK
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 25 October 14 17:54 BST (UK)
Delbert Milson died at the Mississauga General Hospital on April 10, 1971.  Husband of C (D) Leeson.  Dear father of W, H and D.  Lots of grandchildren listed.  (I won't post full names, in case people are still living.  Will PM instead.)  Brother of Harley and Kenneth Milson.  Doesn't say where he is buried. 

RK
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: RunKitty on Saturday 25 October 14 18:04 BST (UK)
Hi,

I also found a death for a William Milson on Feb 12 1994.  There is no middle initial and no mention of brothers.  Given that Kenneth's obit of 1990 only mentions Harley, I wonder if this William could be a next generation?  William died in Toronto and the funeral service was in Richmond Hill (just north of Toronto).  Family members are mentioned.  He might fit....  ???

RK
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: J.J. on Sunday 26 October 14 17:03 GMT (UK)
It appears Ruth's first husband didn't die until 1928. his birth shows as 1852 on first marriage (fibbed to sound a bit younger at the marriage to young Ruth I imagine) No divorce shows for them thus the "spinster" stated in second marriage. The couple didn't last too long, though, since she's already calling herself Kingham in 1901  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JKWB-QJT

1911 with (step sons ?) George & Jonnie ( hit the "links to see there were several other stepchildren as well...  http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=51024

awe, Jane's death that year... https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JD2H-R3Y

Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: Christine Grace Kingham Poore on Monday 02 April 18 20:57 BST (UK)
Hi
Such an old thread but only just found it. Fascinating information, think George Kingham is my great grandfather and believe he was the brother of Ruth and Florence. Looks like he was living with relatives when the sisters were sent to Canada. Is there any information about what had happened to their parents?.

Thanks

Christine Kingham Poore
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: johnson1948 on Thursday 05 April 18 18:30 BST (UK)
Hi Christine, I passed on all the info I had to the person researching the Kingham side of the family.
But will see what I can find out.
Robert.   
Title: Re: Ruth and Florence Kingham
Post by: johnson1948 on Tuesday 10 April 18 13:37 BST (UK)
Christine, David Kingham died 11th August 1890 Sunnyside, Hitchin. Aged 41. Cause of death: Phthisis Diarrhea certified by James H. Gilbertson. + the mark of Caroline Cannon widow of deceased, present at the death. Sunnyside, Hitchin. Occupation: Day Labourer.