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Hello
I am having great difficulty trying to find the marriage of my my great grandfather, I have looked on Mypast.com and RootsGalway and still can't seem to find them. I have been told through family connections that they both come from Ahascragh. I have worked out, from the censes that they married 1897. On a great uncles birth certificate it states maiden name as Carroll, the only Martin Fitzgerald who has a connection with a Carroll is a Hannah Carroll from Kinsale...........any tips?
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Hi There
Is your Great Grandfather's name Martin Fitzgerald ?
What approx year was he born ?
What census do you have him on ?
Where was your Great Uncle born and when ?
Tara
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Hi Tara
Here we go, apparently they moved to Portumna after they got married..........
He is in the 1901 and 1911 censes. married to Ellie. Mypast.com states DOB 1864, death at 74 years, died 1929.
Martina nd Ellie are my great grandparents. I think my great uncle was born in Portumna, like my grand dad..........
Fitzgerald Martin 59 Male Head of Family Catholic Co Galway Farmer Read and write - Married - - - -
Fitzgerald Ellie 36 Female Wife Catholic Co Galway - Read and write - Married - 14 7 7
Fitzgerald Michael Francis 13 Male Son Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read and write Irish and English Single - - - -
Fitzgerald Joseph 12 Male Son Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read and write Irish and English Single - - - -
Fitzgerald Mary Delia 10 Female Daughter Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Fitzgerald John Patrick 9 Male Son Catholic Co Galway Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Fitzgerald Eleanor Florence 6 Female Daughter Catholic Co Galway Scholar Cannot read - Single - - - -
Fitzgerald James 4 Male Son Catholic Co Galway - Cannot read - Single - - - -
Fitzgerald Francis 2 Male Son Catholic Co Galway - Cannot read - Single - - -
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Hi There
Actual 1911 Census for reference
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Portumna/Ballynaheskeragh/472892/
The family in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Portumna/Ballynaheskeragh/1396358/
Perfect example of why I tell people to take the ages on the census with a 'pinch of salt' ~ here we have Martin aging 18 years ;D
SO, are you trying now to find Martin's marriage ?
Tara
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Your original query re this family.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=565667.0
You are best to stick to the one thread !
Tara
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Okay I have done that now.............
Yes trying to find the marriage between Martin and Ellie but not having much luck...............
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I didn't see anything at all.
It's very possible that they just didn't register it ~ a LOT didn't.
I would normally suggest that your try rootsireland BUT they have changed their policies recently and you would have to get a month's subscription (€25) to see if they have a church marriage record for the couple.
Steep if you are just looking for the one record.
You mentioned that you are aware that the farm is still 'in the family' ~ Have you asked for leads that way ?
Tara
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Thanks for looking Tara.........
I have distant cousins who have info on the Carrolls but they do not have the wedding certificate, as mentioned only the birth cert of one of their children. I've contacted the cousins in Portumna, will wait to hear for some more info. I found a Hannah Carroll married to Martin Fitzgerald but in Kinsale...........but Ellie, according to the cencses she is from Galway, not Cork...
I thought they had to register?
What site is most reliable for looking up sites?
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HA
Yes, they were SUPPOSED to register but a LOT didn't.
With rural families, if they married in Winter time and were far from the registry office then it usually wasn't done but there were lots of other reasons too I'm sure.
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familysearch is the best free site for looking up records.
Most others require a fee or subscription.
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It's unusual though ~ both census have Martin as a farmer and normally you would expect to see either his or his wife's family in the area yet NEITHER surname seem to feature in Portumna.
You did mention that family have said that this family were originally from Ahascragh which by today's standards is not that far away, but for back then it would have been a big move.
Still unusual for a man to farm so far away from his family roots ~ I'm wondering maybe was he left the farm in Portumna by a family member ?
Looking at Ahascragh on the census though, there are one or two families with these surnames in the area ~ not what I would call local surnames though.
Looking at the GV for Ahascragh there are a few references to the surname Carroll BUT interesting there is NO reference to the surname Fitzgerald.
It all might explain why you are finding it so hard to find the marriage ???
Tara
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I think you are right Tara............
I did find this though, might be Martin's mum and dad, and John his brother........
Tiare Fitzgerald White:
Michael Fitzgerald b. approx 1826 d. before 1901 m. Mary b. 1826 d. after 1901; Lived in Castlegar-East, Ahascragh, Ballinasloe, East Galway. They were tenant shepherds/farmers on land owned by William Mahon and managed by son George Mahon.
Michael's son John:
John Fitzgerald b. 1854, Castlegar-East, Co. Galway, d. approx 1953 in Ballyforan, Killaderry/Mucklon, Co. Galway, m. Jane Flynn (b.1858) d. ?
John's daughter Anna:
Anna “Annie Jane” Fitzgerald b. 1893, Ballyforan, Killaderry/Mucklon, Co. Galway d. approx. 1933, Brooklyn, NY. m. Jack Rohan b. ?, U.S. d. approx. 1965, Valley Stream, N.Y.
Anna's son Jack (later "Robert"):
Jack Rohan, Jr. (aka “Robert Fitzgerald White”) b. 1926, Brooklyn, NY. d. N/A, m. Agnes Castan (aka “Michelle White”) b. 1940's, Petionville, Haiti d. N/A
Robert's Children Kevin and Tiare:
Kevin F W b. 1970's, NYC, NY. d. N/A m. Nadia R
Tiare F W b. 1960's, NYC, NY. d. N/A m. Scott Wi S b. 1960's, Rockland County, NY. d. N/A
Tiare's daughter:
Coco I F W b. 2000's, West Hollywood, CA. d. N/A
Carrie:
Hi, Tiare. Your pedigree is posted: http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/f/fitzgerald/pats.html
Carrie
Names of living people edited by moderator.
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I wonder if it would be worth trying to find Michael Frances baptism, they may have moved after he was baptised? DOB 1898???
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I take it then you are working on this James being a possible brother of Martin's ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Ahascragh/Castlegar_East/1366471/
Tara
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I do have shepards from the same time frame on my extended tree and they can be super hard to trace given the nature of their work.
They were quite far down the 'farming' pecking order and never had land of their own.
Hum, still unusual how then Martin got into farming ???
Was it ever mentioned if the farm in Portumna was a Carroll connection somehow ?
Tara
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The only place to possibly get Martin Juniors baptism would be through rootsireland whom I mentioned earlier !
Tara
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Could this be the John Fitzgerald that you are referring to ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR3R-XX9
Tara
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My only concern is that Michael did not give either of his first two children the Christian name of John.
Naming patterns were quite traditional at the time so IF his father was called John I would have expected this to have been the name given to either of his first two sons.
I know there were exceptions to this but it's always a good starting point !
Tara
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5876384510/
Tara
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Wow that is fantastic Tara, what a great photo, I'm going to tell myself that's my family ;D.
With your knowledge, I just found this
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR3R-XX9
I was just thinking that about the boys names as well................
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Just some Fitzgerald of Ahascragh records !
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGN8-HYY
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGD4-G34
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR7N-MBV
Tara
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This is the John Fitzgerald whom you referred to earlier as a possible brother to your Martin !
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Taghboy/Kiladerry/1390903/
What I like about this family is that there are a lot of similar names featured, while none of them rare, it helps NUDGE us towards a possibility of them being related !
Tara
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. . . baptism of one of John Fitzgerald and Jane Flynn's children !
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJL-29B
Tara
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Brilliant Tara, I see you're quite flexible regarding townlands etc, do you think having a focus on the names is best, prior to focusing on the townlands?
I need to print all these off..............
Thank you so much x
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Well I'm going by John's family tree which is online as towards townlands.
What is interesting is, if as you HOPE, and these two brothers originated as brothers in Ahascragh, sons of a Shepard / Herder ~ well then both John and Martin obviously had no family leased land to keep them in the area so both moved on.
John to Kiladerry and Martin to Ballynaheskeragh
I've attached a google map (NOTE Taghboy is on the Roscommon / Galway border)
https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/Ballynaheskeragh,+Co.+Galway/Ahascragh,+Co.+Galway/Taghboy,+Co.+Roscommon/@53.3184398,-8.5873158,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m20!4m19!1m5!1m1!1s0x485c6228c1ec2dcb:0x282f7acb34c280a3!2m2!1d-8.2714298!2d53.1363143!1m5!1m1!1s0x485c6b8316ccfad5:0xa00c7a99731d290!2m2!1d-8.3346318!2d53.3976127!1m5!1m1!1s0x485c1586a371d031:0x65776672ef5a871d!2m2!1d-8.2656246!2d53.5004739!3e0
Tara
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I can't see any sign of the marriage of John Fitzgerald and Jane Flynn either ??? ??? ???
Tara
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Found something..........
Ireland Marriages 1845-1958 Transcription
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First name(s) Jane
Last name Flynn
Registration year 1876
Registered Quarter/Year 1876
Registration district Athlone
Volume 3
Page 17
County -
MarriageFinder™ Jane Flynn married one of these people
Thomas Mulrey, John Fitzgerald, John Miskell, Martin Connor
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
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Super
Have you ever ordered a cert before ?
Shane explains it well here !
http://www.swilson.info/irishcerts.php
Tara
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Brilliant, I've been ordering the pink long copies!! Just one question, how do you send the money?
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When you click on the GRO Forms part of Shane's page ~ you will see that the form asks for Credit Card details !
Tara
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Thanks Tara. thanks for all your help, I'm off to bed I am exhausted!!! xxxxxxx
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Me too HA !
Listen just keep googling all the townlands and names that you have collected ~ you never know, sometimes something comes up.
OH I just remembered, seemingly findmypast.ie are doing a free 14 day trial.
While I know you won't find the marriage of Martin and Ellen on it, you can look at their prison records. Martin MAY have a minor offence and you may get a lead that way.
They also have old newspapers that you may get a lead that way.
If all else fails, when the lotto numbers come up, then rootsireland may be your last resort :D
Good Luck
Tara
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You;re funny!!
Oh no don't say that, I've had enough worms falling out the can from my other side of the family, I don't think Ill be able to contend with any more, I've a reputation to keep up with ;D ;D night.