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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Eilleen on Wednesday 29 October 14 13:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi :)
In my family tree I have a lady called Rose Reilly her birth being 13th Aug 1922,
she was only 50 when she died , having married my Great Uncle Fredrick Lanes in Lincoln, England
1948,
She was Irish, I do not know anything about how she came to be in Lincoln,
my question is how would I go about tracing her family line with so little information.
Eilleen.
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The first step would be to get the marriage certificate, for her father's name.
I would also ask around the family to see if anyone has an inking as to which part of Ireland?
Northern Ireland only allows searches on births more than 100 years ago! ::)
You could try http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/ - there is currently an embargo on Civil Records!
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KGarrad.
thank you for that, all my pocket money seems to go certs ;D
but needs must. sadly they had no children and the rest of my older relatives have all gone on to pastures new :'(
Eilleen.
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Some Rose Reilly births
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L5Q
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L53
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L5S
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-2JD
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Hi Eilleen
How much do you really want to invest in this lady ?
Say you do get her marriage cert, and get her father's name and occupation you STILL won't be any nearer to finding her in Ireland.
1920 is not a great time to get Irish records ~ they are there but need more information to ensure that you are buying the correct one.
You would still need a mother's Christian and maiden name to be sure you were on the right tracks to try and find her birth cert.
Online Irish records for that time period do not list mother's maiden name against the birth records so you would be looking at getting EVERY birth cert to get a match to the father's name and occupation.
IF he was in a general occupation such as labourer then it would be VERY hard to know if you had in fact gotten the correct birth cert.
ALSO, at the time we had a lot of people registered as MALE / FEMALE so she may come under one of those.
You would also need to use name variants Rose / Roseanne / Rosemary ~ then surname, don't forget O'Reilly.
Again, it's up to you as to how much you want to invest to do this lady's tree.
Best of Luck
Tara
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I'd be inclined to look for a death notice, it might give siblings or even parents names.
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I'd be inclined to look for a death notice, it might give siblings or even parents names.
She died in Lincoln,so the death cert won't have any useful names,the informant may be a member of her family though.
Rose Lanes DOB 13 Aug 1922 died age 50 in March 1973 in Lincoln.
Vol 3b Page 891
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I was thinking of newspaper notice.
If she had family in Ireland they might have put her death in the newspaper.
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1920 is not a great time to get Irish records ~ they are there but need more information to ensure that you are buying the correct one.
You would still need a mother's Christian and maiden name to be sure you were on the right tracks to try and find her birth cert.
Online Irish records for that time period do not list mother's maiden name against the birth records
but the mother's surname is available in the GRO from about 1903 - you could put in a request for someone to have a look for you, maybe ...
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I was thinking of newspaper notice.
If she had family in Ireland they might have put her death in the newspaper.
Ah so you mean an obituary?
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Hi
This is the only Rose Reilly, I could find for the time frame
Rose Reilly
Jul Qtr 1922, this would fit in, with her age on the DC
Reg dist Bailieborough
Vol 2
Page 170
FHL Film No 101229
Margp
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Hi
This is the only Rose Reilly, I could find for the time frame
Rose Reilly
Jul Qtr 1922, this would fit in, with her age on the DC
Reg dist Bailieborough
Vol 2
Page 170
FHL Film No 101229
Margp
According to her death info she was born on 13th Aug ,so would not be included in the July birth indexes ;D
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Hi
This is the only Rose Reilly, I could find for the time frame
Rose Reilly
Jul Qtr 1922, this would fit in, with her age on the DC
Reg dist Bailieborough
Vol 2
Page 170
FHL Film No 101229
Margp
According to her death info she was born on 13th Aug ,so would not be included in the July birth indexes ;D
Hi Carol, July Qtr covers July, Aug and September.
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Given the paucity of information, you need to order up the marriage record in order to close off potential leads.
If the father's name comes back as John and the occupation as labourer, then you are stuffed.
But if the father's name comes back as Marmaduke and the occupation is Orchestra Conductor, then you have something to follow.
You won't know until you know.
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There is two
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L59 Page 170
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L5S Page 165
or the same one twice..........
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A big thank you for all your help and suggestions , will get the marriage cert .
but in the mean time the link to Irish genealogy has uncovered some pieces from a different branch of my tree :) so it was well worth being on here :)
I do tend to feel more drawn to finding out about the woman in my tree , they allways seem to be so important in keeping the lines going ;D
Eilleen. p.s Sinann I cannot get the two links to open ???
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There is two
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L59 Page 170
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L5S Page 165
or the same one twice..........
They are both the same image numbers so probably transcribe twice
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Hi Carol, July Qtr covers July, Aug and September.
Oh I didn't realise that ,I thought that would have been the Sept 1/4 that covered Aug births like the English and Welsh ones.
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Sinann and MargP,
Link is now working for me . :)
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Gaffy
Your reply gave me a good laugh :D
Tara
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Hi Carol, July Qtr covers July, Aug and September.
Oh I didn't realise that ,I thought that would have been the Sept 1/4 that covered Aug births like the English and Welsh ones.
Hi Carol, The Irish Index's are the same has the English/Welsh
Qtr 1 Jan,Feb,March
Qtr 2 April,May,June
Qtr 3 July, Aug,Sept
Qtr 4 Oct,Nov,Dec
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There is two
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L59 Page 170
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L5S Page 165
or the same one twice..........
They are both the same image numbers so probably transcribe twice
MargP I don't think so. The Volume and Page Numbers are the index generated by the General Registrars office and nothing to do with Family Search, so it does look like 2 births registered 5 pages apart in Volume 2, or as said, the same birth registered twice which I have never seen happen before. I'd get both to see if either match the marriage cert info. They only cost €4 each rather than the very hefty prices for UK certs. and they will email them to you now so no postage charges either.
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There is two
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L59 Page 170
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F19T-L5S Page 165
or the same one twice..........
They are both the same image numbers so probably transcribe twice
MargP I don't think so. The Volume and Page Numbers are the index generated by the General Registrars office and nothing to do with Family Search, so it does look like 2 births registered 5 pages apart in Volume 2, or as said, the same birth registered twice which I have never seen happen before. I'd get both to see if either match the marriage cert info. They only cost €4 each rather than the very hefty prices for UK certs. and they will email them to you now so no postage charges either.
Yes, my mistake, I have just checked on Ancestry, and it looks like there are 2 entries for a Rose Reilly :-[ :-[
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or as said, the same birth registered twice which I have never seen happen before.
I've come across this with a marriage, can't remember the reason now, it's in a thread here somewhere, granted that one was a few years apart. If it is the same girl twice the GRO will only send and charge for one cert.
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Your reply gave me a good laugh :D
Marmaduke Reilly the Orchestra Conductor is maybe pushing it, but I hope the father does turn out to have an oddball forename or occupation, it might just lend some traction to the search! :)