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looking for information on a Albert Edward Marriott in the Northumberland area born around 1902.
changed his name to surname to Lawrence when came to Scotland not much to go on heard rumour he may have been a deserter any help greatly appreciated.
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Hello & welcome
Are you looking for his parents or info after he went to Scotland?
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looking to find out any info on him as it seems theres none to be found on him or his parents
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There are no births for him in Northumberland or anything on the 1911 census so that information appears to be wrong.
Did he marry?
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hi, yes he married twice both the ladies came from bishop Auckland although I don't where that is there is no record of him in the 1911 census in Scotland but he was living there in 1924.
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more info on Albert Edward Marriott /Albert Edward Lawrence
three birth dates
30/6/1902
30/6/1897
30/6/1892
don't know which one is true.
can trace his second wife's family but not his family his mum or dad that are mentioned on his marriage licence don't seem to exist any help???
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Bishop Auckland is in Durham what name did he use when he married and do you have a name for his first wife ? also dates are you sure he was born Northumberland
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According to the information I have both his marriages were in Scotland he doesn't show up in any census there but its known he was living in Midlothian Scotland in 1924. I will get information about his first wife and his parents name hopefully it will help
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Is that where the first marriage took place Midlothian 1924 ? 1 match comes up for a marriage for Albert Edward Lawrence ...1 match comes up for a death for Albert Edward Lawrence in 1981 using his date of birth as 1902 on www.scotlandspeople .gov
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Thanks if it's the same one im let to believe it is his second marriage the troubling thing is when im trying to find out more about his parents they don't seem to exist, im new to this so always open to any help.
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You need to give us his parents names.
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There is only the one marriage in Scotland for an Albert Edward Lawrence and this is the 1924 one in Midlothian.
He was a bachelor - aged 22 (and I doubt someone some 10 years older could pass himself off as 22).
Tell us what you know for certain and we'll try to help - details of the 2nd marriage for instance.
Annette
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As Jim and Annette have said give us as much information as you can names of the parent's on his marriage certificate ...Name of his wife and her parents as if she was from Bishop Auckland they maybe went to Scotland together ....How sure are you that he did change his name ?
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Info removed
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There is a marriage of Albert Marriott with Mary J Garr in Auckland in 1927. Although he had moved to Scotland by then, he may have gone back to Auckland to marry Mary, someone he may have met before he moved
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I noticed that one as well but we're not allowed to post the 1911 info. because of copyright laws.
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Sorry Jim
I didn't know realise that
What do you do erase it?
Jeff
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Just click the modify button.
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The information I have is his parents were
Father- johnathan Lawrence
Mother- harriott Lawrence nee stapleton
1st marriage in 1924 to isabella halliday Hamilton.
2nd marriage in 1955 to susan kelly she was born 26th june 1924 and died 1972.
The reason why I think there was a name change when he came to Scotland was there has been talk about the white feather during ffirst world war, it has been mentioned on a few occasions.
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Familysearch has a Jonathan Marriott born 1866, marrying a Harriet Stapleton on 25th December 1889 in Ilkeston Derbyshire.
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Does it mention when they died
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Jonathan Marriott
Born 1868
Age 72
Death 1st qtr 1940
Ilkeston, Derbyshire
Volume 7B
Page 1471
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There's another Jonathan Marriott death ::)
Birth Year 1867, age 40
1st qtr 1907
Registration District: Basford
County: Nottinghamshire
Vol: 7B
Page:119
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Thanks :)
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I think the Jonathan Marriott who dies in 1907 is likely to be the one married to Harriet.
I haven't found an Albert yet for this couple but there are other children.
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there has been talk about the white feather during ffirst world war
Born 1902 he wouldn't have been old enough for WW1.
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There's a Jonathan Marriott = Harriett Stapleton marriage + a postem
Date - 25 Dec 1889 at the Parish Church, Ilkeston, Derbyshire
Groom - Jonathan Marriott, age 23, Bachelor, Ilkeston
Occ - Miner
Bride - harriett Stapleton, age 22, Spinister, Ilkeston
Occ - None listed
12/10/2012 Grooms Father - Joseph Marriott, Miner
Brides Father - Joseph Stapleton, Miner
Witnesses - Thomas Marriott, Sarah A Marriott
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1901:
Jonathan Marriott 35
Harriet Marriott 33
George Marriott 10
Beatrice Marriott 8
Ruth Marriott 7
Elsie Marriott 5
May Marriott 3
Bernard Marriott 1
RG13; Piece: 3144; Folio: 113; Page: 67
& 1881:
Joseph Marriott 44
Ann Marriott 36
Thomas Marriott 16 witness
Jonathan Marriott 14
William Marriott 11
Sarah A. Marriott 6 witness
John J. Marriott 4
Samuel Marriott 1
RG11; Piece: 3321; Folio: 35; Page: 57
The family are still in Notts. in 1911 but no Albert.
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Thanks jim big help :)
Have you any idea of how to find out about the white feather that has been mentioned.
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IF Albert Edward Lawrence was indeed a son of Jonathan Marriott and Harriet Stapleton the only one he could possibly be was Bernard Marriott b.1899 Eastwood, Notts. - his birth was reg'd in the Sept.qtr. 1899 Basford which would fit with a birthdate of 30th June. The other sons can be accounted for.
There does not appear to be a matching death entry for him (there is a death of another Bernard Marriott in 1977 whose birthdate is 23/9/1900).
On a 'need to know' basis I would suggest you purchase this Bernard Marriott's birth certificate to establish if his birthdate was indeed 30th June. If it was, then this would appear to be your man. If it wasn't then this couple don't appear to have been his parents. His 1924 marriage states his father as Albert Edward Lawrence, coal miner and mother Harriet Stapleton both shown as deceased - did he name this same father and mother when he married for the second time?
There are at least a couple of trees on ancestry which show Bernard Marriott but nothing more on him after 1911 census. However, whilst Jonathan Marriott was indeed deceased (having died in 1907) his mother Harriet didn't die until 1946!
Think you definitely need to buy Bernard's birth certificate to check his birthdate - if it concurs with 30th June then I think you have him.
Annette
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Wow thanks annette that helps a lot I will definitely be following that line and checking out his birth certificate.
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Have you any idea of how to find out about the white feather that has been mentioned.
If he was born 1902 he wouldn't have been old enough for WW1.
If he was born 1899 he'd only just scrape in for a 1918 conscription.
In any event a white feather wouldn't be sufficient reason to change names & move to another country.
May be he was sent his call up papers & did a runner.
Has anything been found for Granville ?
OK found him.
So Bernard's looking a good bet.
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They seem to be resident Eastwood, and http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk has a reference to something of interest in September 1917.
An Eastwood young man named Bernard Marriott, described as labourer, aged 18...
I can't see more than snippets, but it seems he and another boy (aged 15) got into some minor legal trouble, and Bernard may have joined the army semi-willingly (as an alternative to other punishments). If he was born June 1899, he was 18 at this stage - just.
Then, in 1918:
DISHONEST SOLDIER SENT TO PRISON AT NOTTINGHAM. young soldier named Bernard Marriott...
If these are both him, then perhaps he did join the army - not precisely by choice - then got himself into trouble, and perhaps either was dishonourably discharged or went AWOL. The later, especially, would be a good reason to change your name - and perhaps adjust your age because a man born 1902 wouldn't get asked what he did during the war.
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Had a few credits left
Young soldier Bernard Marriott who belongs to Whitby sentenced to 14 days hard labour at Nottinghamshire hall for theft of clothing
Prisoner was handed over to the military in 1917 after being charged with larceny ,deserted .He went to Strelley and told Mr Appleyard a farmer he was on furlough and wanted work on the land .After being given work he took some clothing belonging to two other men but was apprehended before he could dispose of it
This was in the Nottingham Evening Post Wednesday 7th August 1918
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Nottingham Evening Post Wednesday 12Th September 1917
An Eastwood Young man named Bernard Marriott described as a labourer aged 18 and a lad ( won't mention name ) age 15 also of Eastwood was charged at the shire hall Nottingham today with stealing 5 loaves of bread . From the bakehouse of Samuel Smedley on September 10Th .
The defendants got over the wall into the bakehouse and took the loves which they hid in a pig stye near by .The following day P C Taylor discovered where they had been hidden and watched the pigstye for the culprits , about 9 o'clock both lads appeared on the scene and were duly caught
Deputy Chief Constable Harrop said that as Marriott had reached the age of 18 , He had communicated with the military authorities who had sent a sergeant to take him ...This course was adopted
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Thank you all this information will hopefully put the mystery to bed. :D
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As im new to doing this type of investigation can anyone tell me what would be the best way to proceed now? To make sure I have right man.
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As Annette said get a copy of his birth certificate to see if the date matches looking at all the information from the others I would say it was Bernard ..and as he has changed his name to Lawrence that explains how he has father down as a Johnathan Lawrence mother Harriet Stapleton ...He has obviously went awol and went to Scotland the only other thing would be to look for Military records I had a quick look but could not find anything ...Maybe find my past might have some have you got his death certificate ?
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I think you can say that Albert is a member of the Marriott family put up earlier & Bernard is the only possibility for him.
There are too many similarities for it not to be him.
As Annette said if Bernard's birth states he was born 30th. June (the date given on Albert's death cert.) then that would be just too many coincidences for it not to be him.
However as the info. on a death cert. is only as good as that known by the person giving it & as Albert had completely re-invented himself he may also have re-invented his birth so if his birth doesn't say 30th. June you can't necessarily rule him out.
All you can do his get Bernard's birth cert. & see.
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Everything that you all have found out is telling me that its the same person there is too many similarities for it not to be. :)
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So it looks like Bernard went on the run, stealing clothes & food indicates he might have been living rough.
The Police would have kept watch on his home.
The war ending a few months later wouldn't have cancelled out his arrest warrant & it would have stayed active for ever.
He would have been facing at least a year HL in a Military Prison.
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Birth certificate ordered thanks to all :)
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Let us know what happens.
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I will its the least I can do. ;) :)
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Hi all I recently asked for your help looking for information on Edward albert Lawrence who changed his name before moving to Scotland got the birth certificate of the one who we thought he was the birth date is the same so we think the same man, now have asked for marriage certificate from England to see if he was married there before leaving for Scotland.
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He might have been able to elude the police but not us.
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Thats very true ;D