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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: ribbo39 on Saturday 01 November 14 05:20 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I'm trying to trace the above ancester from 1901 onwards. He was the s/o Frederick Belcher & Emma (nee Froude) and was born in Harwell in 1884, Berks.
In the 1901 census (East Hagbourne) he is aged 16 & is living with his parents and siblings as a
Blacksmith's assistant.
In 1891 (East Hagbourne) he is shown as Frederick T Belcher. (names reversed)
I have found a similar person in 1911 in Sth Wales who is also born about 1884 in Harwell but am not sure if this the same person as this one is shown as a motor engineer. A bit of a change from blacksmith but not impossible.
I have not been able to find a marriage for him and the only possible burial is on 3-3-1967 (aged 83) in Henley Rd Cemetery, Caversham.
I know we can't ask for 1911 census lookups but if anyone can share some light on what happened to him from 1901, I would be most grateful.
Alan
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This is the only marriage that I can see for him, which does tie in well with the couple you found
Jun Qtr 1909 Thomas Fredrick Belcher/ Lucie Clarovine Davies Aberayron 11b 62
Kay
Edit - He was only a trainee blacksmith in 1901 and may well have changed his job
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The marriage Kay99 found ties in with the burial you have and this death
Lucie C Belcher
Death Registration March qtr 1959
Age at Death 83
Reg district Reading
6a /124
Lucie/ Clarovine Belcher aka Lucie Caroline of 7 Oakdale Road, Knowle, Bristol
Death 6 March 1959 at Battle Hospital Reading
Wife of Thomas Frederick Belcher
Probate Date 13 May 1959
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Hi Kay & Rosie,
Many grateful thanks for the info you have given.
They seem to have moved around a lot; Thomas born in Harwell married in Wales and died in Wokingham, whereas Lucie born in Wales, died in Reading with a home in Bristol.
Haven't been able to find any reference to Probate Calendar for Thomas.
Alan
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At that time a change from blacksmith to motor engineer was not uncommon, I've heard of it on a number of occasions including for people who later set up motor car businesses of varying success. The vehicles at that time were all hand built so a decent blacksmith would certainly feel at home regarding the chassis and suspension and then its a simple progression to the engines which were pretty basic compared to ours today. A lot of the bodywork at that time was simple curved sheets of metal which the blacksmith would be familiar with plus some timberwork which the 'village' carpenter would be able to put together.
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Hi artifis,
The way you put makes it a very plausible explanation.
Thank you for replying.
Alan
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Thomas was the Shell manager in Malta during the second world war. He returned to Reading after the war. Then moving to Wokingham
As far as i know Thomas married Evelyn Hayfield, maiden name unknown as she was the divoced wife of ????? hayfield.
Evelyn had a son (Henry) from the first marriage, but she and Thomas had no children
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Hi IsabelR,
The Frederick Thomas Belcher in my tree is the s/o Frederick & Emma (nee Froud) born 1884 Harwell, Berks.
I know at onetime he was an apprentice blacksmith to his father in Hanney later in Hagbourne, Berks.
My searches have lead me to finding him in Wales not as a blacksmith but as a motor engineer in 1911.
I have a burial for him 3-3-1967 in Reading, Henley Road Cemetery living in Wokingham which ties in
with your info. But, I have a marriage of him to a Lucie Clarovine Davies in 1909 in Wales with a death 6-3-1959 in Battle Hospital, Reading with an address in Bristol. I can't find where she is buried or when.
This doesn't match up with your info but could Frederick have married a 2nd time to your Evelyn?
say between 1959 & 1967?
Alan
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Hi IsableR,
I'm intrigued as to where you got your info from regarding Frederick Thomas Belcher.
I haven't discarded your info but would like, if its possible, for you to expand as I believe
you may have some more details.
If you wish, you can contact me by private message. Just click on my name (ribbo39) and you'll see
where and how to send a PM.
Hoping to hear more from you.
Alan
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Hi Alan
Thomas Frederick Belcher 1885-1953 was my uncle's father in law. He was born in Harwell, Berks, married in 1909 to Lucie Clarovine Davies 1879-1959. He was residing in Newquay, Wales in 1911. He had 2 daughters, Valerie 1909 and Joan ?1912. He was in the navy and was stationed in Malta for a time. Valerie was educated by nuns there and learned to speak Maltese. She and Lucie also spoke Welsh as well as English. I am trying to trace Joan's children to find out if they know anything about our mutual cousin Brian Gillam, son of Valerie. I live in Canada and haven't heard from him for 2 years so am wondering if he died. I am on Ancestry.
Sue
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Welcome to Rootschat, Sue.
Thought I’d update the thread with the 1911 census, which has Valarie with parents:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7JG-3JV
Jamjar
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Births:
BELCHER, VALERIE MARY mmn Davies
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in ABERAYRON Volume 11B Page 29
BELCHER, ELFRIEDA JOAN mmn DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1916 S Quarter in ABERAYRON Volume 11B Page 53
Marriage:
Mar 1938 Bristol 6a 35
BELCHER Valerie M
GILLAM Herbert W G
Jamjar
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On the 1911 census Lewis should be Lucie and Valarie should be spelled Valerie
Sue
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On the 1911 census Lewis should be Lucie and Valarie should be spelled Valerie
Sue
That is the correct spelling on FamilySearch link I provided.
Jamjar
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Hi Sue,
May I also welcome you to Rootschat.
Thomas Frederick Belcher was my grandfather's brother (one of 9 children) and was bapt. in Harwell 3-8-1884. I do know he married Lucie Clarovine Davies in 1909 Wales and they had two daughters Valerie & Joan Elfrieda.
I have Lucie & the 2 dtrs coming back from Malta in 1929 - no sign of Frederick - and I suspect they had separated sometime between 1929 & 1939. No sign of him in the 1939 register.
I have details of the dtrs marriages but no info on any children they may have had.
What name do you go by on Anc..y as I'm on there as well.
Alan
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Young-Jones family tree. Owner Susan M Jones. E-mail: Removed I have a few more bits of the puzzle. Don't know why your tree hasn't come up with hints on my tree except I've only been delving into Joan for a couple of days. Will explain via regular email.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Have sent an email to you. (I think your address should be removed as its a policy of R/Chat to never reveal addresses to prevent scams etc) The moderators may do this very soon.
I have found your tree on Anc..y but for some reason it won't open - I'll keep trying.
Alan