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Title: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: QuentinDJ on Monday 03 November 14 06:14 GMT (UK)
Gday all,

I am seeking some helping tracking down the birth (and death) date and location for a
Sybil Joan Burnett.

She is the daughter of Air Chief Marshal Sir Charles Burnett:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Burnett_(RAF_officer)

She was born somewhere in England, in early 20th century.
I found records of her living with a sister Jessie in Cheshire in 1923.

She moved to Australia with her father in about 1941.
She returned to England married to a Marcus Swann a few years later.

She can be found in the peerage online :
http://www.thepeerage.com/p48930.htm#i489297

I tried the FreeBMD, but couldn't find her there.
She wasn't on wikitree till I put here there.

(Regarding her death, according to the peerage she was living in Heather Bank, Cambus May, Aberdeenshire, Scotland in 2003. I'll post a different request for her death in the Scottish forum I guess.)

Any help appreciated

Quentin D.J.

Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: crisane on Monday 03 November 14 06:30 GMT (UK)
I found this which gives a possible year of birth
Sybil Swann age 33 born c 1914
Departed Sydney
Arrived London 20 Mar 1947
Ship  - Rangitiki
With her was her husband Marcus age 39, a publicity officer
Also two children, a boy age 3 and a girl age 8.
Their contact address
C/o of Lady Burnett, Barren Castle, Old Meldrum, Aberdeenshire.
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: crisane on Monday 03 November 14 06:48 GMT (UK)
On Trove - Examiner, Launceston Tasmania
On Thursday 7 May 1942 the engagement of Flight Lieutenant Marcus Swann and Sybil Jean eldest daughter of Air Chief Marshall Sir Charles Burnett and Lady Burnett of Wendover Buckinghamshire

Also in other Australian newspapers

There is also a photo and article of their wedding in Buckinghamshire 16 June 1942.
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 03 November 14 06:55 GMT (UK)
Her parent's marriage:
December qtr 1914
St Martin, London district     vol 1a, page 1137

Burnett, Charles S
Pack-Beresford, Sybil M P
Bell, Sybil M P

Not seeing a birth for young Sybil?
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 03 November 14 06:58 GMT (UK)
Scotlands People has this birth in 1913

Sybil Jean Pack Beresford - ST ANDREW (EDINBURGH)   EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN

Kay

Edit - She also appears to be registered in CAMBUSNETHAN LANARK
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 03 November 14 07:20 GMT (UK)
There is a possible earlier marriage in Sept Qtr 1904

 Sybil Maud Bell   - Henry John P Beresford   Easthampstead    2c   975
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 03 November 14 07:22 GMT (UK)
Sybil & her first husband are in Cork, Ireland for the 1911 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Rathcooney/Lota_More/408079/

And, according to trees on Ancestry, the divorce came through in March 1914?
Not seeing that at TNA, so probably in Scotland?
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: andycand on Monday 03 November 14 08:25 GMT (UK)
Hi

According to a tree on Ancestry Sybil Jean Burnett was born 23rd August 1913, this fits with her age 12 on the Grotius Passenger list from London to Algiers 31st January 1926. If this information was correct, and her mother was not divorced from her first husband until 1914, then she was born before her parents married. It does mean her birth may not have been registered as Burnett.

Andy
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: ev on Monday 03 November 14 09:18 GMT (UK)
Hi all  :)

I've locked the Scotland post to prevent duplication of effort.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=704186.0

Sybil Jean Burnett(other surname Swann) death 1983(Edit not 1984 see reply #10) Aberdeen , Aberdeen , born c1913.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/



ev
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: ev on Monday 03 November 14 09:30 GMT (UK)
Quote
And, according to trees on Ancestry, the divorce came through in March 1914?
Not seeing that at TNA, so probably in Scotland?

Cannot see a divorce in Scotland  :-\
http://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/catalogues-and-indexes


ev
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: dawnsh on Monday 03 November 14 09:33 GMT (UK)
Sybil Swann mmn Bell b 1913 died Aberdeen 1983 (scotlands people)

Memorial trophy here

http://kdartsforum.wordpress.com/tag/milton-of-crathes/

and a scenic picture here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/hillview7/6066229820/

Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 03 November 14 09:39 GMT (UK)
Quote
And, according to trees on Ancestry, the divorce came through in March 1914?
Not seeing that at TNA, so probably in Scotland?

Cannot see a divorce in Scotland  :-\
http://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/catalogues-and-indexes


ev


Hmmm! Maybe Ireland, then - as they were in Cork in 1911?


No - a Private Bill in the Houses of Parliament!
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/lords/1914/aug/04/pack-beresfords-divorce-bill-hl

Interesting! The following cluase was eventually omitted!
Clause 8:

§ Sybil Maud Pack-Beresford prohibited from marrying Charles Stewart Burnett.

§ 8. The said Sybil Maud Pack-Beresford shall not inter-marry with the said Charles Stewart Burnett and any marriage celebrated between them shall be null and void.
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: avm228 on Monday 03 November 14 12:53 GMT (UK)
It looks as though it was indeed in the Irish jurisdiction:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/b15c147f-9f0f-4643-b30b-f70be38c8ab9
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: avm228 on Monday 03 November 14 13:15 GMT (UK)
A summary of the 1914 news reports:

Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: Forfarian on Monday 03 November 14 15:08 GMT (UK)
And, according to trees on Ancestry, the divorce came through in March 1914?
Not seeing that at TNA, so probably in Scotland?

No listing found in the National Records of Scotland. Unlike in TNA, all divorce papers in Scotland are retained in NRS and indexed in the catalogue, so perhaps the absence thereof suggests they were divorced in Ireland?
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 03 November 14 15:19 GMT (UK)
And, according to trees on Ancestry, the divorce came through in March 1914?
Not seeing that at TNA, so probably in Scotland?

No listing found in the National Records of Scotland. Unlike in TNA, all divorce papers in Scotland are retained in NRS and indexed in the catalogue, so perhaps the absence thereof suggests they were divorced in Ireland?

As I said in reply #12, and avm228 said in replies #13 and #14! ;D

Case heard before the High Court in Ireland, and passed on to The House of Lords/Commons.
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: QuentinDJ on Monday 03 November 14 23:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks to all for those helpful replies.
You folks just love looking people up, don't you? :)

I see some confusion between Sybil Joan and Sybil Jean.
Peerage online has Sybil Joan, but Ancestry.com has mostly Sybil Jean.


Quentin D.J.
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: KGarrad on Monday 03 November 14 23:42 GMT (UK)
Judging by the number of errors in Peerage Online, I would go with Jean, as on the birth record?! ;D
Title: Re: English birth - Sybil Joan Burnett
Post by: cristeen on Monday 25 April 16 15:54 BST (UK)
I don't have any info on Sybil Jean but do have photos of her mum and grandfather if that's of any interest. Mum was the youngest daughter of John Bell, Rushpool Hall Saltburn. He was one of three Bell brothers who were ironmasters, hugely wealthy & influential family in the North East. The most famous brother was Sir Isaac Lowthian Bell, grandfather of Gertrude Lowthian Bell, 'Queen of the Desert'  :)