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Title: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Celtic chic on Thursday 06 November 14 05:57 GMT (UK)
Hello, I hope someone can help me with information on my maternal great grandparents who emigrated from Ireland to Australia ( Hobart Tasmania ) in 1884.

John Sexton born 1847 and Jane Hogan Born 1853.
John was from County Clare, not sure where Jane originated from, I think she may have changed her Christian name.

I have lots of information of them in Tasmania but can find no trace of them in Ireland.

I would love to find their birth information and their marriage details. On the ship from Plymouth Jane is listed as Jane Sexton.

Thanking You in anticipation !!!!!!

Jude
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 11 November 14 10:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Jude,

I found some possible John Sexton's here http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/don_tran/bmd/sexton_baptisms_kilmurry_ibrickane.htm

John Sexton baptised 19/04/1846 Clondadrum mother Margaret O Brien father Micheal
John Sexton baptised 02/07/1848 Knocknagaoireach  mother Mary Walsh father Micheal

Do you know if the family were Roman Catholics?

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 11 November 14 13:28 GMT (UK)
Did they have any Irish born children with them in 1884.
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Celtic chic on Wednesday 12 November 14 01:39 GMT (UK)
Thank you Sarah - yes John was Roman Catholic - there may have been a brother Daniel, also in Hobart , who was godparent to John's first born Francis, baptised in St Joseph's Catholic church Hobart Tasmania. Francis was born 3 months after they arrived inTasmania in 1884.
Jude

Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Bridget Fowkes on Saturday 26 January 19 01:24 GMT (UK)
I’m also looking for a John Sexton,his daughter Bridget Mary Josephine was my maternal grandmother, she married Sergeant James William Higham in the Curragh chapel.   That is how I know her father was John Sexton.   I never knew my grandmother she died in London in 1934.  I don’t know her mother mother’s name but in the 1911 Bridget census put her place of birth as Ennistymon, County Clare.  She was born 1887.  She had two daughters, the first born In Gibraltar was my mother, the second in Richmond Yorkshire.  It’s the Irish ancestors that I’m stuck on.
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Sinann on Saturday 26 January 19 07:56 GMT (UK)
I’m also looking for a John Sexton,his daughter Bridget Mary Josephine was my maternal grandmother, she married Sergeant James William Higham in the Curragh chapel.   That is how I know her father was John Sexton.   I never knew my grandmother she died in London in 1934.  I don’t know her mother mother’s name but in the 1911 Bridget census put her place of birth as Ennistymon, County Clare.  She was born 1887.  She had two daughters, the first born In Gibraltar was my mother, the second in Richmond Yorkshire.  It’s the Irish ancestors that I’m stuck on.

She married in 1897 full age
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1897/10472/5813726.pdf
So she must have been born in the early to mid 1870s.
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 26 January 19 08:55 GMT (UK)



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Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Celtic chic on Saturday 26 January 19 09:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Bridget,
I’ve found more information on my Sextons and Hogans since my original post in 2014. They both came from Mullagh near Milltown Malbay in County Clare. John Sexton’s parents were Frances Sexton and Susan Sexton.
There is a blog written by a DNA confirmed Sexton cousin
sextonofkilmurryibrickaneparish.blogspot
With lots ofSexton information.
Hope this helps
Jude
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: dathai on Saturday 26 January 19 16:27 GMT (UK)
best  i could find

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9YZ-7GB

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZL-YWC

a daughter bridget
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03133/2148848.pdf

possible death 1878 for John
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06523/4879400.pdf
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Bridget Fowkes on Tuesday 29 January 19 00:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your help, there are so many Sextons in Ennistymon.   I started looking for my grandmother's family in Ireland in 2005, every so often I give up then go back looking for her.   In the 1950s my parents took me on holiday to Southern Ireland and we visited Ennistymon where my parents found someone who knew about my grandmother’s family, but at age 14 I didn’t write it down.   When Bridget Sexton married my grandfather James William Higham, a British Soldier, their next home was Gibraltar where he was stationed and my mother Margaret Mary Patricia was born.  I have her birth certificate and that of her baptism in Gibraltar.  I’ve never known my grandmother’s birth date.
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Bridget Fowkes on Wednesday 06 February 19 23:06 GMT (UK)
According to the death certificate for my grandmother Bridget Mary Josephine nee Sexton she was born in 1978.   She died 6 Arch 1934 at the age of 56.
I cannot find her the record of her birth, I know her father was John Sexton according to marriage certificate, but it doesn't give her age, only full.   I seem to keep hitting a dead end..  I have tried the links you kindly gave me but to no avail.  She is in my grandad’s paybook on their marriage but it does not give her date of birth.   I know my mother had a cousin Margaret in Limerick her married name was Hughes, she had a daughter Sarah who was about the same age as me, we met them when we visited Eire in the 50s.  I was about eleven at the time and wasn’t concerned to take note of all the names that were mentioned.
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: dathai on Thursday 07 February 19 10:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Bridget

   in your first post you said she was born 1887 did you mean 1877
the 1901 English census says approx 1876 and now her death age 56 1878
I cant find her on the Family Search English 1911 census to see what age she gives

the only obvious one is the one i gave 1874 to John Sexton and Catherine Looney of Ennistymon

if this is the right girl the scenario looks like this her mother possibly died 1875 age 40 death not viewable yet and 1878 her father a widower died,so most likely any children would have ended up in the workhouse or with the Nun's anywhere in the country
this girl had 3  known siblings Mary 1869  Michael 1870 Jerome 1872 appears to have died as an infant.
With this sort of background she may not have known exactly when she was born and might explain how she ended up in Kildare.
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Bridget Fowkes on Thursday 07 February 19 17:44 GMT (UK)
I did get the year wrong in the original post.   I have just checked English 1911 census for Bridget May Josephine Higham nee Sexton, she gives her age as 32.  I believe therefore she was born in either 1878 or 1879.   Fortunately I never knew her, but was named after her.
By 1911she was a widow her marriage had lasted nine years, as my grandad collapsed and died in the Aldershot Barracks.
I knew that they had married at the Curragh but only found the marriage certificate in recent times thanks to help from someone on Roots. That was when I found out her father’s name was John, he has signed the certificate. 
Grandad was based at the Curragh and I believe that is why they married in the Catholic Chapel there.   From Ireland they were posted to Gibraltar where my mother was born.
I have my grandmother’s death certificate, my mother’s birth certificate but nothing that gives Bridget’s actual date of birth.  I wonder if the parish Catholic Church would have a record.  She puts her place of birth as Ennistymon on the 1911 census.
She was working as a tailoress for the Army, my mother and aunt lived in Norte Dame Convent in London until my grandmother could afford to have them living with her.

I do hope this helps me to find her birth certificate and who her mother was.

Thank you all for your help
Bridget Fowkes
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 07 February 19 17:59 GMT (UK)
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0621


Kilmanaheen

Diocese of Galway | County of Clare
Variant forms of parish name:
Clooney
Ennistymon

Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 07 February 19 18:30 GMT (UK)
Just a matter of checking Church Register.


https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634162#page/50/mode/1up



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Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 07 February 19 19:10 GMT (UK)
386 gets a sibling...so just a matter of scrolling back in time for others and maybe find approx year for Marriage of Parents



https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634162#page/31/mode/1up
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Bridget Fowkes on Saturday 09 February 19 02:24 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your help, I’ve gone through parish records for 1878 to September 1879, as according to the English Census for 2011, it shows her date of birth as 1879, but that has been put on by transcriber working from her age.   Unfortunately I don’t know her birthday, I’ve looked in all the records I have but I haven't got anything that gives the day and month, not even on her death certificate, which is correct as my parents had that after Bridget Mary Josephine Higham’s nee Sexton death.  But according to that she was either born in 1978 or 1979.

I will keep looking I did find one Bridget Sexton in 1978 but her father was not John as stated on my grandparents marriage certificate.   I have been trying to trace this back for years.  I’m might try to find her grave.
Thank you again for your help, Bridget Fowkes.
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Bridget Fowkes on Tuesday 12 February 19 12:52 GMT (UK)
I’ve found two English census returns for my Grandmother Bridget Mary Josephine Higham nee Sexton, I wonder if one name was added at her baptism?   In the 1901 England census she gives her age as 25 and in the 1911 census she gives her age as 32.  She puts her place of birth as Ennistymon.  Her marriage certificate, NASS, County Kildare Curragh Chapel just gives both their ages as full.  My mother told me years ago that she believed my grandmother was educated in .Dublin, this was arranged by her .uncle who was a priest.   I have no evidence of this.
After marriage to a British soldier I’m wondering if she would had to have a passport as they were posted to Gibraltar where my mother was born then back to England where she lived with her father in law in Upper Heyford, Northamptonshire, while my grandfather was out in South Africa.   I have not been able to find a Bridget Sexton, born in Ennistymon as stated on her Census returns with a father John.
You have been very helpful and I wondered if you know anywhere else I can look and order a copy of her birth certificate?
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 12 February 19 13:02 GMT (UK)
https://www.johngrenham.com/records/rc_church.php?churchid=0621&parish=Kilmanaheen
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 12 February 19 13:16 GMT (UK)
Name   BRIDGET SEXTON
Date of Birth   1874
Group Registration ID   8595025
SR District/Reg Area   Ennistymon

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03133/2148848.pdf

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Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: dathai on Tuesday 12 February 19 16:56 GMT (UK)
In your reply 12 you said you know her father was John because signed the certificate.
He did not sign the certificate  he was just named as her father.
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: shanreagh on Wednesday 13 February 19 04:25 GMT (UK)
Name   BRIDGET SEXTON
Date of Birth   1874
Group Registration ID   8595025
SR District/Reg Area   Ennistymon

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03133/2148848.pdf

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Hallmark has already found the birth and put a snip up earlier on in the thread and as quoted.....and the link.  She was born  6/9/1874.  It uses the latinised first names as was common in those days so she is shown as Brigida.

The two links show the church baptism and the civil registration.

Also follow the link for the sibling that hallmark found.....he has the wonderful first name of Hieronymus. It also lists the sponsors.

Using the combination of Catholic Parish registers for the church records and  and the irish genealogy site is a wonderful way to track church and civil.   
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: Sinann on Wednesday 13 February 19 06:51 GMT (UK)
Name   BRIDGET SEXTON
Date of Birth   1874
Group Registration ID   8595025
SR District/Reg Area   Ennistymon

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03133/2148848.pdf

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Hallmark has already found the birth and put a snip up earlier on in the thread and as quoted.....and the link.  She was born  6/9/1874.  It uses the latinised first names as was common in those days so she is shown as Brigida.

The two links show the church baptism and the civil registration.

Also follow the link for the sibling that hallmark found.....he has the wonderful first name of Hieronymus. It also lists the sponsors.

Using the combination of Catholic Parish registers for the church records and  and the irish genealogy site is a wonderful way to track church and civil.   
Dathai posted that birth in reply #8, it looks like Bridget doesn't think it's the one she's looking for.
Title: Re: Sexton & Hogan, County Clare Ireland mid 1800's
Post by: shanreagh on Wednesday 13 February 19 08:45 GMT (UK)
Yes she now has both Civil and Church links to the birth of Bridget Sexton. each with something special in that church has the sponsors, who may be related and the civil has John Sexton making his mark as the informant for the civil birth registration.