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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: corinthian on Saturday 08 November 14 13:07 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find out a bit more about my Meiklemean family (also transcribed as Micklemeal,Micklemean,Micklemeen). They seem to lived in the Kirkcudbright parish in Scotland. I have gone back to an Ann (sometimes recorded as Agnes) Micklemeen who married a James Black on 21/12/1765. Possibly the surname has been mis-transcribed & should be Meiklevenie,a surname which also crops up in Kirkcudbright???
Any thoughts?
Regards
Coreen
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Black's "Surnames of Scotland" gives "Meikleman" as a heading, then mentions examples from documents: John Meiklemean in Drumoir 1677; Andrew Meiklemean in Gill of Newlaw, Kirkcudbright 1749; Andrew Miklemein and John Miklemen in Grange, Kirkcudbright 1689.
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HI
I've checked the Monumental Inscriptions for Kirkcudbright Churchyard but no one there. There are Meickles, Mickles and Means but no Meiclmein/alts.
Will have a look at some other parishes.
Gadget
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Hi,
Thanks for responses. A few possibilities there - especially Andrew Meiklemein in Gill of Newlaw. My Ann Micklemeen married in 1765 so could have been born around the same time as Andrew.
Regards
Coreen
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Hi Coreen
What were Ann and James Black's children's names?
Gadget
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Found only 2 MIs in all parishes in Kirkcudbrightshire to 1855 -
Colvend:
......also Jannet Mickleveen spouse to John Donaldson (he died 18 Jult 1783, aged 88). No date for Jannet
Dunrod:
James McClune lived in Little Kilane, d. Oct 1750, 62, w Janet Meiklemean d 18.1. 1775, 78.
Gadget
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Black's source for Andrew in Newlaw was "The commissariot record of Kirkcudbright. Executory papers 1663-1800", Edinburgh, 1903.
It might be worth having a look on ScotlandsPeople to see if there are any wills.
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It might be worth having a look on ScotlandsPeople to see if there are any wills.
I had a look very early on but found nothing for them in Kirkcudbright. Also checked the Old Kirkcudbright website. Not checked all my local sources yet - I have far too many ;D
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I've been looking at the marriage entry. I'm sure it says that proclamation was at Kirkpatrick (assume K. Durham) for both of them. will put it up for others to see.
Gadget
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For background, they had at least 3 children in Borgue
1766 Richard
1768 unnamed
1769 Agnes
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In the marriage post, it says that Provost Kirkpatrick was cautioner (caur) for the man and woman, i.e. he stood surety for their good behaviour and their seriousness about marrying within forty days.
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Well, they certainly didn't seem to be in Kirkcudbright for long - and why would the provost of KD be cautioner - it's a way from Kirkcudbright ???
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I think Kirkpatrick is the surname of the provost.
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Newlaw is in Rerrick
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01e5e/
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I think that I'd like to know more about the offspring to give more leads to Agnes's parentage. At the moment we have a Richard and an Agnes born Borgue. Nothing else in the OPRs 1766 to 1785.
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Hi,
Thanks so much for everyone's input.
I have checked ScotlandsPeople but,other than the marriage,couldn't trace anything. Agnes Black married James Hannay in 13/12/1791 in Kirkcudbright & possibly died there 16/02/1838 (can't be 100% sure as the record I have checked just says 'widow of James Hannay'). They are my 5 x great-grandparents. Can't find any further info iro of Agnes's brothers,Richard & an unnamed male child.
Regards
Coreen
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Hi again,
Following on from previous messages - I have just found on this website a post from Scatza who is researching the McClune family from Dunrod & he has some notes regarding a Janet Meiklemean who married James McClune. The McClunes & Meiklemeans are apparently recorded as being Covenanters & originated from the SW of Scotland.
This may give me a little more to go on - don't like to jump to conclusions but surely Janet is related somehow to Ann Meiklemean??
Regards
Coreen
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Found only 2 MIs in all parishes in Kirkcudbrightshire to 1855 -
Colvend:
......also Jannet Mickleveen spouse to John Donaldson (he died 18 Jult 1783, aged 88). No date for Jannet
Dunrod:
James McClune lived in Little Kilane, d. Oct 1750, 62, w Janet Meiklemean d 18.1. 1775, 78.
Gadget
These were the two Janet's that I found in my Kirkcudbrighshire MIs. Do you have any Janets in the descendants?
Gadget
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Your mention of Scatza jogged my memory. I've found the following thread which has a couple of pages discussion on the Mielemaens (alts)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=354362.0
I note that JAP found some wills which might be worth following up.
ScotlandsPeople has them, in a Wills search:
John MEIKLEMEIN, 30/11/1677, in Drumoir, Kirkcudbright Commissary Court
John MEIKLEMEAN, 27/11/1741, in Bar, Parish of Rerrick, Edict only, Kirkcudbright Commissary Court
Andrew MICKLEMEAN, 28/11/1752, in Gile of Newlaw, Testament Dative and Inventory, Kirkcudbright Commissary Court
(Just re-checked my Will search and these are tucked in the list amidst all the Mcs - I used Trad Soundex)
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
No Janets in the descendants i'm afraid.
Think i'll take a look at the Wills search via ScotlandsPeople.
Coreen
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Hi Gadget,
Have just downloaded the Will of Andrew Micklemean & although not very clear,he seems to name his daughter as Jannet Micklemean, relict of William McNaugh(e?).
Not sure this helps me very much but just thought i'd let you know.
Regards
Coreen
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I think that thread is the best source of info on the Meiklemiens. Scatza had done masses of research on them. She doesn't seem to come on any more but it might be worth sending her a PM, just in case she gets it.
Will check through more of my books.
Gadget
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Andrew (of Newlaw) was 'Brother German* and nearest of kin to deceased John Mieklemean' - Edict dated 1741.
*i.e. a full brother
I wonder if they were sons/grandsons of the John MEIKLEMEIN, 30/11/1677, in Drumoir, Kirkcudbright Commissary Court
Gadget
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Could well be - just wish I could find out where my Ann Micklemein fits into the family.
Regards
Coreen
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Not sure if you've seem these - all offspring of a John Meiklevenie and Grizel McBurnie, Tongland, early 1700s.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYMP-NG9
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYMP-5L2
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYM5-6NY
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY3R-WR6
Also I've noticed quite a few of the surname variations in Ayrshire, so looked there:
Ayr 14.01.1731 Anna Mcclevein /o Joseph Mcclevein and Anna Rodgerson
St Quivox 23.03.1736 Anna Mclvain d/o John Mclevain
Kirkoswald 3.01.1732 Ann d/o John Mclvein
Some of my D & G families moved from Ayrshire to Kirkcudbrightshire, so don't discount them.
Gadget
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Thanks once again for all your help - have sent Scatza a PM. Hopefully she'll come back to me fairly soon.
Regards
Coreen
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Hi Corinthian ..i have a JANET MEIKLEMEAN BORN 1697Dunrod Kirkcudbright She is my 5 times Great Grandmother. she married James McClune ..and later James Edgar.. Jmcm.
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Hi,
I am sure there must be a connection. My ancestor is Ann Meiklemean, born about 1747, in Kirkcudbright, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland who married James Black. I have struggled to find where she fits into the family.
Regards,
Coreen