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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: grizzly1 on Monday 10 November 14 14:10 GMT (UK)
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I have William Daly married to Jane Kenny on the 22 April 1895 at St Paul's Church Arran Quay.
Both Full age, him Batchelor her Spinster Both are 'Servants'
Address for William 6 Brunswicke Villa's, Jane lived at what looks like 18 Auburn Place...William born Dublin, Jane was from Co Kildare (Cloncurry).
Parents William and Gerald (Garret)
I have some info on Jane's family in Cloncurry Co Kildarebut im interested in William Daly's side in Dublin.
They went on to have at least 5 Children, the last I know of was Desmond born circa 1914, who I couldnt find on birth register.
In 1901 I believe 2 of their children William aged 4 and Gerard 2 are with their Grandparent's Garret and Elizabeth Kenny at Cloncurry Co Kildare.
But I cant find their parents William or Jane on the census in either Dublin or Kildare in 1901.
In 1911 William and Jane are living at Sheriff Place with 2 Children Beatrice 6 and Christopher ,form states they 16yrs married 5 children born 4 living.
I could not find William jnr or Gerard on 1911 census..
Anyone any idea's.?
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What was Williams occupation? Maybe his job had taken him away from home and wife went with him.
Presume the older two children weren't still with grandparents in 1911 :-\
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Could this be William aged 36 in 1901?
LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003783817/) to Residents of a house 169 in Church Street (Arran Quay, Dublin) [see row 13] This is the same parish as marriage
A very long shot for Jane is this entry in the Workhouse in Kildare LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000896928/)
JD Married aged 30 but as she is shown from Athy and her parents were in Cloncurry .....
There are several Desmond Daly births 1913-1915 - have you ruled these out?
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Could this be William aged 36 in 1901?
LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003783817/) to Residents of a house 169 in Church Street (Arran Quay, Dublin) [see row 13] This is the same parish as marriage
A very long shot for Jane is this entry in the Workhouse in Kildare LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000896928/)
JD Married aged 30 but as she is shown from Athy and her parents were in Cloncurry .....
There are several Desmond Daly births 1913-1915 - have you ruled these out?
Hi I did notice that 36 yr old William in Church St and hadnt ruled him out.
I checked the 1914 Birth register for Desmond but came up with just 1 who wasnt born in Dublin..The date birth I was given for him was June 1914 and born in Dublin, im guessing its possible that he may not have been actually registered and a Baptismal cert used.
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What was Williams occupation? Maybe his job had taken him away from home and wife went with him.
Presume the older two children weren't still with grandparents in 1911 :-\
No Garret/Gerard Kenny is a widower living alone in Cloncurry in 1911.
Obviously his wife Elizabeth has died.
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"I checked the 1914 Birth register for Desmond but came up with just 1 who wasnt born in Dublin..The date birth I was given for him was June 1914 and born in Dublin, im guessing its possible that he may not have been actually registered and a Baptismal cert used."
Perhaps Desmond was his middle name or his birth was registered before the name was chosen (would then be listed as 'male' in the index).
Have you considered this 1913 Dublin birth? (it's not uncommon for dates to be out by a year or more)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBYF-L3T
There are also several possiblities for 'male' births- https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347
Link to 1901 census entry for William Daley, Church St.-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Church_Street/1337123
For reference, here's the link to 1911 census record-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Sheriff_Place/19265
Son Gerald in 1911?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra_Rural/Artaine_South/12314
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Gerald in Artane industrial school in 1911.
You can get details from Christian Brothers by writing to them giving details of parents and known addresses
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"I checked the 1914 Birth register for Desmond but came up with just 1 who wasnt born in Dublin..The date birth I was given for him was June 1914 and born in Dublin, im guessing its possible that he may not have been actually registered and a Baptismal cert used."
Perhaps Desmond was his middle name or his birth was registered before the name was chosen (would then be listed as 'male' in the index).
Have you considered this 1913 Dublin birth? (it's not uncommon for dates to be out by a year or more)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBYF-L3T
There are also several possiblities for 'male' births- https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347
Link to 1901 census entry for William Daley, Church St.-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Church_Street/1337123
For reference, here's the link to 1911 census record-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Sheriff_Place/19265
Son Gerald in 1911?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra_Rural/Artaine_South/12314
I will purchase the 'William Desmond Daly' birth Cert, I have very little to go on with him apart from his given age on 1911 Census and the Info on his Marriage Cert.
If the birth cert gives William snr as Father, then it will be a step in the right direction..
I know Jane had at least 3 brothers,Im looking at the possibilty that William Jnr and Gerald 'may' have been taken in by one of the Brothers after their Grandmother passed away between 1901-1911.??
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Is this failure to pay reformatory tax or just coincidence
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQP-57M
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQP-THN
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Jane Daly ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQ5-8WJ
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMQ5-8WN
address may be Belmont Place,Gardiner St
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Gerald Daly
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM79-HHD
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Page 41 form G no 714 Gerald Daly born Dublin, Illiterate
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000027175/
Page 5 form G no 101 James Daly age 13 (William ?)born Dublin,read and write.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000027138/
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There is a John Daly age 1 buried 1908 Glasnevin,standard grave with image showing for address of 28 Lower Gardiner Street.
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There is a John Daly age 1 buried 1908 Glasnevin,standard grave with image showing for address of 28 Lower Gardiner Street.
Perhaps he was the deceased Child mentioned in the 1911 census.?
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Just found out that Both Gerald and James were both Killed WW1.
Gerald in Mercantile Marine Reserve and was one of 3 men Killed aboard the HMS CITY OF BELFAST on the 15-10-1917.
James was Killed on 9th May 1915 serving with 2nd Btn Royal Munster Fusiliers in France.
What would be best avenue to source their records, hopefully with photos??
I recall somene getting records with photo from Merchant navy circa 1920s fr a lad who had left navy and was killed in Irish Civil war...wondering would same source have photos on File for Gerald.?
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A few mentions of Gerald-
http://baseportal.com/baseportal/research/WW1?Service~=Mercantile
http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Overseas/gibraltarWW1.html
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1917-10Oct.htm
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As a member of the Mercantile Marine Reserve rather than the Mercantile Marine (Merchant Navy) he has no records either on the Irish Mariners site or FindMyPast.
Mercantile Fleet Auxiliaries are difficult to research. I know poster HMac has specialist knowledge on this subject. Hopefully he will see your post.
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As a member of the Mercantile Marine Reserve rather than the Mercantile Marine (Merchant Navy) he has no records either on the Irish Mariners site or FindMyPast.
Mercantile Fleet Auxiliaries are difficult to research. I know poster HMac has specialist knowledge on this subject. Hopefully he will see your post.
Thank you Seaweed...Thats a shame.
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City of Belfast
http://www.uboat.net/wwi/ships_hit/7424.html
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I purchased a deathcert today of a Mary Daly in Sept 1911 aged 4 months she was William and Jane's Daughter.
She was most likely the 2nd child they buried as it states on 1911 census they had 5 born and 4 living, September would have been after the census was taken.
I also purchased a copy of a Registry Marriage from 11 December 1886 for William Daly and Margaret Lyons/Sullivan.
the original of this cert was found in a old box it was issued in 1915 but was in a tattered state, no one knew the connection apart from the name William Daly.
It states that on 11 December 1886 William Daly 'widower' Married Maragaret Lyons/Sullivan 'Widow'
The address for both William and Margaret given 39 Aungier St.
Fathers name Aubrey/Anthony Daly, Labourer, desceased (hard to make out)
Father name for Margaret, James Sullivan, Labourer deceased.
Im presuming because these documents were found in the possession of family that William from Aungier St was the father of William jnr born circa 1866 who married Jane Kenny.?
Would either or both William Snr/Margaret have been C-O-I hence the Registry office marriage.?
I seen from previous posts that William Jnr was born Arran Quay area.