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I have a medical condition known as Dupuytren's contracture caused by connective tissue in the palm thickens. This can result in one of more finger becoming bent towards the palm. My father has the same condition so I did a little research and discovered that it is thought to be genetic in origin and introduced to the UK by the Vikings. I would love to know which of my family lines brought that with it.
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It's reasonably well known, although not common, on the Isle of Man!
A former Viking Kingdom, of course ;D
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Hi
I was also diagnosed with Dupuytren's nearly 2 years ago, and I was told then about the genetic disposition from the Vikings
My paternal Grandfather had it also, and was one of the 1st patients on the new NHS in 1948 who had surgery. He couldn't afford it before then.
His family lines go back generations ( maternal) in Northumberland , Durham & North Yorks,
(paternal) in Warwickshire & Worcs.
It's more common in men than women
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I would think that, by now, everyone in the north of England, and probably in the south too, has some degree of Viking ancestry.
Mike
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My father has it and he was told it is common among those with Irish ancestors [plenty of them in our family].
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Dupuytren's contracture is a non-specific affliction, but primarily affects:
• People of Scandinavian or Northern European ancestry; it has been called the "Viking disease" or "Celtic hand", though it is also widespread in some Mediterranean countries (e.g., Spain and Bosnia) and in Japan.
"Age and geographic distribution of Dupuytren's disease (Dupuuytren's contracture)". Dupuytren-online.info. 2012-11-21.
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I have a friend who makes hand-made historical shoes for re-enactment, museums and so on. She works from precise foot measurements and shape drawings, rather than generic lasts, so each shoe or boot is a perfect fit for the wearer (and very comfortable they are, too).
She says that Viking-descended feet and Anglo-Saxon descended feet have very different, and distinctive, shape profiles.
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There has recently been a discussion on Dupuytren's on the facebook page for I-M253, claytonbradley
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I have a friend who makes hand-made historical shoes for re-enactment, museums and so on. She works from precise foot measurements and shape drawings, rather than generic lasts, so each shoe or boot is a perfect fit for the wearer (and very comfortable they are, too).
She says that Viking-descended feet and Anglo-Saxon descended feet have very different, and distinctive, shape profiles.
How does she know who is 'Viking-descended' or 'Anglo-Saxon-descended' a thousand years after these supposed ethic groups disappeared into the wider mix?
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I have a friend who makes hand-made historical shoes for re-enactment, museums and so on. She works from precise foot measurements and shape drawings, rather than generic lasts, so each shoe or boot is a perfect fit for the wearer (and very comfortable they are, too).
She says that Viking-descended feet and Anglo-Saxon descended feet have very different, and distinctive, shape profiles.
How does she know who is 'Viking-descended' or 'Anglo-Saxon-descended' a thousand years after these supposed ethic groups disappeared into the wider mix?
Statistical deduction from the vast preponderance of one type in the Danelaw and the vast preponderance of the other type outside the Danelaw.
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Foot types: Scots-Irish vs. English. I have the English type.
http://www.archaeology.co.uk/articles/features/footloose-in-archaeology.htm
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Thanks for the link Erato. At least I fit the pattern; Scots-Irish feet and Dupuytren's Contracture. My background is Anglo-Welsh and Anglo-Scots, but the Anglo bits are both very definitely Southern English.
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I would imagine that it could be worked out from archaeological finds. Shoes in Viking finds being different from Saxon finds
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The actor Bill Nighy has the hands typical of Dupuytrens.
He has not had it treated and you can see it clearly if you watch his hands on film.
Apparently, there is a specialist doctor in Sheffield who offers effective treatment for Dupuytrens hands.
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I have a very slight Dupuytrens contracture of my left little finger. It's so slight that it doesn't bother me but I can't straighten it in any plane. However, I also have the English feet shown in the link that Erato posted. (I always thought they were of the Egyptian type).
I'm mainly of Welsh-Anglo-Scots ancestry so I suppose I'm a bit of a mongrel.
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How about the so-called Greek foot with the second toe longer than the big toe. The St Kilda natives & the Statue of Liberty have this in common.
Skoosh.
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I think we are all a bit of a mongrel really. I am a bit of Welsh-anglo mix with quite a few family lines wandering in from the Welsh borders.
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As one who carried the Viking Gene which went to Russian, Constinople, and Sicily amongst other places I bookmarked that link with interest. Thanks. i definitely have the narrower type feet.
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I have a contraction on my right hand between the pinky and the ring finger and when I show it (palm uppermost) there are two semi soft humps either side of my ring finger and between them it is obvious that the tendon is under stress as it is quite white on stretching as is the lower joint of that finger.
I completed my DNA tests and the result showed 95.56% Orkney and 4.44% Near East.
Whether the contraction I have is of Viking origin I know not.
Possible ??
Joe
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Exactly the same place as mine. I have them on both hands, with the right hand being slightly worse
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I'm very fond of Danish lager, could this be the fault of my Orkney grannie?
Just sayin.
Skoosh.
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I'm very fond of Danish lager, could this be the fault of my Orkney grannie?
Just sayin.
Skoosh.
If you're fond of lager of any kind . . . . there's simply no hope for you! ;D
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With whisky of course! ;D
Skoosh.
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With whisky of course! ;D
Skoosh.
You think that makes it better??????
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I'm very fond of Danish lager, could this be the fault of my Orkney grannie?
Just sayin.
Skoosh.
Funny that you say that Skoosh and I think you should blame your Orkney Grannie ;) ;)but ....... with whisky!! :o :o ... surely that is an insult to both types of booze.
I don't drink spirits of any kind but do consume more than I should of quality beer (doctor says drink plenty of fluids) and the occasional merlot and always a 'cap de nuit' of a quality port. :P :P
Water!! :o :o... never ... at 87 ......... do you think there is any hope for me KG?? ::)
Joe
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Also known as "The Curse of the MacCrimmons"
http://dupuytrens-society.org.uk/stories/history.html
My left hand has had the lumpy bit beneath the ringer finger for some years. Now my right hand is showing the same lump.
My ancestry - Cornwall, South Wales, Northern Ireland, Ayrshire, England - all very much diluted by the time my ancestors arrived in NZ.
Jean
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Thanks Jean for putting us back on track again with this interesting topic. :) :)
Those of us who get affected by booze tend to derail things. :-[ :-[
I had never heard of "The Curse of the MacCrimmons" before and googling it makes great reading. :)
Joe .... in a very sober mood 8) 8)..... after all it's only 8.15 am here in Sydney.
Joe
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Did Margaret Thatcher not have this affliction?
Skoosh.
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Some very interesting replies here.
I like the Curse of the McCrimmons :-)
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I thought it was a male syndrome only; which would i think put it on the Y chromosome. Margaret Thatcher's affliction was I think caught off her late husband Dennis (aka DT)
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I don't think it is male only (though it might be predominately male) I have read of cases, some quite early, of women having it
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I had never heard of it in a woman until today. Please pm me if you have any Stantons in Lincolnshire
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I thought it was a male syndrome only; which would i think put it on the Y chromosome.
??? I'm female
A search on Google shows that men are 10 times more likely to have it but it's not Y chromosome.
I only have it slightly, as said in my previous post, and there's just a tiny bit of white tendon showing at bottom of little finger.
Margaret Thatcher liked her whisky so maybe Skoosh is related :D
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Thought MT got the DTs from her husband the aptly initialled DT. I don't have the syndrome, but frequently if I am holding a tool, screwdriver or saw etc. have to physically uncouple my finger(s) from the handle. Is this related I don't know.
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Think that might be cramp, Roger
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Thought MT got the DTs from her husband .
Another health scare. :o ::) What else is going to prove to be contagious. ;D
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She might have picked it up from Ronald Reagan.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/27/article-1238578-07B49440000005DC-551_468x286.jpg
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Think that might be cramp, Roger
Yes, that thought had crossed my mind, could be cramp. Did Ronald Reagan have Viking Genes? Seems likely as at least once he invaded foreign territory- Grenada!
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She might have picked it up from Ronald Reagan.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/27/article-1238578-07B49440000005DC-551_468x286.jpg
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
Joe
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Think that might be cramp, Roger
Yes, that thought had crossed my mind, could be cramp. Did Ronald Reagan have Viking Genes? Seems likely as at least once he invaded foreign territory- Grenada!
I think it would be cramp ....... I find a magnesium supplement gives good relief for this annoying malady.
Joe
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By the look of his fingers most probably.