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They are my 2x Great Grandparents but I can't find much on their family, i.e. parents and siblings. I know from their 1865 marriage in Newcastle that John's father is James Rogers and Ellen's is Alexander Jeffrey. On the censuses John's birthplace varies from Berwick upon Tweed; just Scotland; Berwickshire Whitsome Swinton (1911). Ellen's normally says Scotland but Stirlingshire Stirling Town on 1911 census (where she has been entered as Helen)
Any help would be great
Thanks
Jeff
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Does the marriage cert give their father's occupations and any names of witnesses?
Kay
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In 1871 I think John and Ellen's surname is transcribed as Rogus and they are living at Wallsend
Living with them and listed as a son is Alexander Rogers age 11 born Neston Cheshire. Presumably born prior to John and Ellen's marriage and therefore most probably born Alexander Jeffrey and named after Ellen's father
Found an Alexander Jaffrey age 1 born Cheshire in 1861 living as nephew with the following family in Roberts Row, Saltney, Great Boughton, Cheshire. Their surname is transcribed as Muller but looks more like Miller.
Agnes Muller Wife Married 30 Blacksmiths Wife Scotland
John Muller11 Scotland
Robert Muller 9 Scotland
Agnes Muller 3 Scotland
Ellen Muller1 Chester, Cheshire, England
Alexander Jaffery Nephew 1 Chester, Cheshire, England
William Cray Lodger 23 Plumber Scotland
John Gallacher Lodger 26 Blacksmiths Labourer Ireland
Kay
Edit - There is a birth of an Alexander Rogers in Jun Qtr 1860 Wirral 8a 408
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In 1851 Agnes Miller and her son and husband are living at North End, St Ninians, Cambusbarron, Stirlingshire with her mother and family including sister Helen
Agnes Douglas 46 Head Married b St Ninians, Stirlingshire
Daniel(or David) Jaffray 12 Son
Helen Jaffray 9 d Daughter
John Miller 21 Son in law b Orkney Tile Worker
Agnes Miller 19 Daughter b Stirling
John Miller 1 Grandson
Wilson(or William) Jaffray 7 Son
Kay
Edit I can't see the family at the moment in 1841
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Did find this one, bit out with age I know but
1841 St Ninian's King Street
Alex Jaffray 25 Occ Dyer
Agnes Jaffray 25
Hellen Jaffray 4 Mo
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Re John Rogers - There appear to be two John Rogers born in the Whinsome/Duns area of Berwickshire
In 1861 there was a John Rogers b 1836 in Whitsome, Berwickshire who was an able seaman in the Navy working in a vessel in the English Channel. I can't see him pre 1861 at the moment
RG 9 Piece 4439 Folio 17 Page 10
In 1851 there was also a John Roger age 15 living in the Parish of Duns near Whitsome as below
Mary Winram 47 b Ayton, berwsh
Alison Roger 23 Dressmaker
John Roger 15 Apprentice Draper's
Margaret Winram 9
George Winram 5
Looks like the same family in 1841 is living at Sunnyside Duns with husband James. Sadly this family has moved to Bury by 1861 with this John Rogers is listed as stepson of James and Mary Nenram(looks like Winram)with siblings Margaret and George Winsom. This John later married Jane Taylor Ankers in 1862 in Bury and was living there in 1871 so can be discounted
The first John looks the most likely
Kay
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In 1841 there is a John Shutridge age 5 living with a Rogers family as below in the village of Whitsome. I can't see John Shutridge post 1841 - I wonder if he took the surname Rogers??
Alison Rogers 60
Alison Rogers 25
Alison Rogers 8
John Shutridge 5
Edit By 1851 The family surname appears to have been transcribed as Rodger as below and John is now a Rodger - Still living in the parish of Whinsome
Alison Rodger 70 b Greenlaw Berwickshire
Alison Rodger 34 b Stichel, Berwickshire Farm Lab
John Rodger 15 b Dunse
Agnes Rodger 4 b Whitsome
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The National Archive has a record relating to a John Rogers born in the Parish of Whitsome in Feb 1836. His date of volunteering for the Navy was 6 June 1859
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7889115
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Thanks Kay and Willsy
The ages of Alice, Agnes and John in the 1871 census do match the later census and you can see how the transcriber would write Rogus instead of Rogers. Some brilliant research has been done for me.
Jeff
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Hope it's of use. The Jeffery/Jaffary family are really confusing :-\
Kay
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On FindMyPast the transcriber has written Rogers for 1871 census
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Hello all,
Maybe a little late to the party, but I believe the MILLER and JAFFRAY familes in St Ninians and then Cheshire are my direct line.
Is anyone still following this?
Regards, John