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I am looking for the birth of Kate Louise Pearce. She married Robert Lyall Guthrie in Hastings in 1905 and died in Surrey in 1947, age given as 83.
The 1911 census gives her age as 41 and birthplace Highbury. There is a Kate L Pearce, millinery saleswoman, 33, born Highbury, in the 1901 census in Fulham.
In 1891 there is a Kate L Pearce, millinery buyer, 25, born Clerkenwell, with her parents Thomas and Sarah in Lambeth. This family was in Southwark in 1881, and Kate was 15. I have yet to find her in 1871.
The birth of a Kate Louisa/e Pearce was registered in Clerkenwell 1865/Q4/1b/633.
I'm very unsure about where many of the areas of London are, but I vaguely thought that Clerkenwell is sort of south and Highbury sort of north.
Are all these records the same Kate Louisa Pearce, or are they two different people?
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Hi,
Both places are north of the river and just over 2 miles apart; Highbury being north of Clerkenwell.
Nanny Jan
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Thank you. Do they overlap at all? Or to put it another way, could someone whose birth was registered in Clerkenwell have been born in Highbury?
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ISLINGTON REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : London (1837-1965), Greater London (from 1965).
Created : 1.7.1837.
Sub-districts : Barnsbury, Highbury, Islington East, Islington North, Islington South, Islington South East, Islington South West, Islington West, Lower Holloway, Tollington, Tufnell, Upper Holloway.
CLERKENWELL REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : London.
Created : 1.7.1837 (originally "St. James Clerkenwell").
Abolished : 2.8.1869 (to become part of Holborn registration district).
Sub-districts : Amwell, Goswell Street, Pentonville, St. James.
I believe the 2 districts are next to each other ,
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March 11 1883 Newington St Mary Southwark Kate Louise Pearce born 29 Sept 1865 parents Thomas Nicols Pearce and Sarah Pearce fathers occupation Draper , 11 Knowle Rd Brixton
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The family had already moved south of the river to Southwark by 1871 when Kate was 5.
RG10/605/6/6 as Pearse.
Since she had moved away from the place of her birth so young it is not all that surprising if she was later mistaken over which precise bit of Islington she had been born in. I think it highly likely she is the same person.
I say that as someone who lives in Highbury and travels through Clerkenwell every weekday en route to work :)
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Per Who Was Who, Kate was the daughter of the late John Pearce.
http://www.ukwhoswho.com/view/article/oupww/whowaswho/U210569/
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Per Who Was Who, Kate was the daughter of the late John Pearce.
http://www.ukwhoswho.com/view/article/oupww/whowaswho/U210569/
Ah! I had an unsourced note saying her father was John, but had discounted it because I could find no evidence where it came from. Is it correct, I wonder? Suppose I'll have to get hold of the marriage record.
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Thank you all for your help.
I have checked the birth indexes again, and I can't find any other possible candidate, so it looks as if that reference to John may be an error.
I've put a request on the Sussex board http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705327
to see if anyone has access to marriage details.
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Hi
There is a Kate L Pearce (bC1870 Paddington) father John (a Silk Mercer) mother Elizabeth
1871 RG10 25 106 page71 13 Craven Hill Paddington
1881 RG11 19 77 page 3 13 Craven Hill Paddington
?May explain the note about "John" as father?
Ray
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Thank you, Ray. Yes, it might indeed. In which case she consistently said she was older than her actual age ???
Edit: Drat! the 1891 lists her as Kate Lucy, still at 13 Craven Hill, father John, silk mercer, mother Elizabeth, and there is a birth of Kate Lucy Pearce in Kensington in the third quarter of 1869. And Kate Lucy Pearce married in Paddington in 1891. So it doesn't look as if it's her.
So is her middle name wrong on her marriage index?
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So is her middle name wrong on her marriage index?
Electoral register for 1920 (180 Fleet Street) has Robert Lyall Guthrie and Kate Louise Guthrie
It is Louise on later register as well
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Thank you.
I have now found an obituary of her husband in The Scotsman, which also says her father was John Pearce.
So, to summarise, Kate Louise Pearce, daughter of John Pearce, was born either 1863/4 (death certificate) or 1869/70 (1911 census) in Highbury (1911 Census).
Or did the writer of the Scotsman obituary get her father's name wrong, and was the error copied by the writer of the 'Who Was Who' entry?
Because if he did, and her father was actually Thomas Pearce, it would all make much more sense.
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There is also an obit for Robert Lyall in The Times but no mention of wife
The Times (London, England), Wednesday, Apr 14, 1937; pg. 19; Issue 47658
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There is also an obit for Robert Lyall in The Times but no mention of wife
The Times (London, England), Wednesday, Apr 14, 1937; pg. 19; Issue 47658
Thank you, yes, I have that. It's not much help!
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There is also an obit for Robert Lyall in The Times but no mention of wife
The Times (London, England), Wednesday, Apr 14, 1937; pg. 19; Issue 47658
Thank you, yes, I have that. It's not much help!
He was certainly popular ;D
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He was certainly popular ;D
Indeed he was.
(Sometimes I wonder why one so seldom reads obits of people who were not upright, worthy, pillar of the community, well-liked, honourable and so on ;) )
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Re the silk mercer family - Kate Lucy Pearce was the daughter of John Swayne Pearce who in later years was to become chairman of Swan and Edgar Ltd.
As you say she is with her family in the 1891 census in Paddington and a few days later, on 9th April, she married Captain Philip Paston Mack of 12th Lancers. They are together in the 1911 census in Richmond so we can definitely rule her out as a possibility.
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we can definitely rule her out as a possibility.
Thanks, ShaunJ.
And she seems to be the one and only Kate L Pearce with father John anywhere in the records.