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Title: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: biscuit1971 on Tuesday 18 November 14 02:01 GMT (UK)
Well, i have gotten limited information from my mother about my grandmother.  She said my Grandmother was born in November 1910's in Pontypridd.... Her name is Cecilia Probert maybe spelled Cecelia as well.   Nothing can be confirmed because the grandmother wont talk about herself or her past.   I know her father is "supposedly" named Harry and she has a Sister Anne or Annie....... she also has a brother, but not sure of his name either... either Harry or Leland.  It's frustrating because she is tight lipped about nothing really... so if anyone knows of ANYTHING that may help, it would be greatly appreciated..
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 18 November 14 08:28 GMT (UK)
Hi

Welcome to rootschat  :)

Do you have your grandmothers marriage certificate, it should give information on her father.
Who did she marry
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: biscuit1971 on Tuesday 18 November 14 12:10 GMT (UK)
Hi!  And thank you.  I actually have her marriage certificate and it doesn't list her fathers name at all.  It lists her game as Cecilia H Probert..... No fathers name on it at all.  She married my grandfather Luther A C Cooper from here in the USA in oxfordshire.    My mother and Aunts have been trying to pump information out of her but she gives nothing at all.  I guess they were able to get out of her that she grew up in shropshire..... But that could be more half truths. 
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 18 November 14 12:21 GMT (UK)
Who were the witnesses to the marriage.  Do you know what her middle name is, when is her birthday.
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 18 November 14 12:35 GMT (UK)
I'm sure I saw a Hilda C  with mother's name same as surname in Pontypridd on FreeBMD this morning.

Will need to check



Sorry it wasn't - got two mixed up  ::)
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 18 November 14 12:57 GMT (UK)
Hi!  And thank you.  I actually have her marriage certificate and it doesn't list her fathers name at all.  It lists her game as Cecilia H Probert..... No fathers name on it at all. 

That's usually a sign of an illegitimate birth?! ::)

And that's probably why she doesn't want to say anything?
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: rosie17 on Tuesday 18 November 14 13:22 GMT (UK)
Does it give her mothers name ? there is a marriage 1919 in Atcham Shropshire for a Harry J Probert and a Harriet Haycock
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 18 November 14 13:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Biscuit,

Is your Grandmother still alive  ???

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: biscuit1971 on Tuesday 18 November 14 14:00 GMT (UK)
Anything is possible at this point.... It's a total dead end.  I ordered the marriage certificate and there is nothing on it about fathers name or mothers name.  I can't find a birth certificate at all.  My mother didn't even know her maiden name until she was in her 20s.  It lists her middle name as H on the marriage so my mother says "Hope" but on the passage to USA it lists it as I.... So "Irene". What's even stranger, my mother doesn't really see this as odd.... My grandmother has never said anything about her past or where she's from or even her birth date.  My mother swears it's November 29,1914, but her marriage certificate in 1943 to my grandfather shows her age as 24 which would mean she was born in 1919 but I can't find anyone with her name anywhere born in 1914 or 1919.   Up until a few years ago she didn't even admit to being Welsh..... She always said she "hated" the Welsh....... So strange.  It's like she is hiding something. 
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: biscuit1971 on Tuesday 18 November 14 14:00 GMT (UK)
Yes.... She is still alive.... If her birth date of 1910's is true then she is X this year on the 29th of Nov

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Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 18 November 14 14:13 GMT (UK)
There is a passenger list to New York giving a last address of 67 Church Road, Tilehurst, Reading in June 1947 and she gives her age as 27.  Also 3 children one named after father.
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: biscuit1971 on Tuesday 18 November 14 14:18 GMT (UK)
Yea that's her... She came here with my mother and her brother and sister...  I'm sure that's where she was living after they married.  My mother seems to remember Harry being on the marriage certificate.  She also said that my Grandfather never met her father or mother...
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: biscuit1971 on Tuesday 18 November 14 14:19 GMT (UK)
I'm limited to Ancestry.com over here for research.... Can't see a whole lot.  Are there any other sites or databases I should look at?
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 18 November 14 14:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Biscuit

I am sorry but we have a 'no living people' policy here so the post will have to be edited.

Sarah
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 18 November 14 14:22 GMT (UK)
There is a birth registered June qtr 1919, Pontypool which looks interesting.

Because of the "No Living Persons" policy, you'll have to look it up yourself?
Try FreeBMD.org.uk! ;D


Can I just add: my grandmother was a "Ciceley" and was often called "Cissie"!! ;D
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: biscuit1971 on Tuesday 18 November 14 14:26 GMT (UK)
Ok well thanks so much for the help.... I guess once she does her secrets die with her and I can start over.   :). I'll check out the link. 
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 19 November 14 08:25 GMT (UK)
See also new thread re Didcock!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705701.
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 19 November 14 08:33 GMT (UK)
I'm limited to Ancestry.com over here for research.... Can't see a whole lot.  Are there any other sites or databases I should look at?

That's simply not true!

You can use:
FreeBMD.org.uk (and sister sites (FreeCEN and FreeREG)
FamilySearch

Many pay sites let you see their indexes free (I use FindMyPast this way!).


Finally, can I reiterate?
You need to be very sensitive here.
Obviously your grandmother doesn't want people to know her past?
She may feel ashamed about it?
Especially if, as I suspected, she was born illegitimate?

Tread very carefully!


P.S. How did you come by the information that she was a Didcock?
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: iolaus on Wednesday 19 November 14 10:55 GMT (UK)
  My mother swears it's November 29,1914, but her marriage certificate in 1943 to my grandfather shows her age as 24 which would mean she was born in 1919

How old was your grandfather? if he was younger than her maybe she shaved a few years off her age
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 19 November 14 11:02 GMT (UK)


I'm also puzzled about the new surname

See also new thread re Didcock!
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705701


Was she married to a Probert previously?


Gadget
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: MargP on Wednesday 19 November 14 13:13 GMT (UK)
Hi

"but on the passage to USA it lists it as I.... So "Irene"."

This passenger record, arrival date 21 Jan 1946, for a Cecilia I Cooper, b 1911  states she was born in Mexico, so may not be related to your research

Margp
Title: Re: Seeking information on Probert in Pontypridd
Post by: still-searching on Saturday 27 December 14 23:54 GMT (UK)
Is this a possible birth for her?


Births Sep 1923
Probert    Cecilia J    Probert    Warminster    5a   211

The J could be mistaken for an I

I read that record as her Mother being unmarried, hence the double Probert.