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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Baird on Thursday 27 November 14 10:05 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find out if there are any records of residents of Platthorn in East Kilbride in the 1920's.
I have a Norah McCartney listed on the Ellis Island web site as having arrived in New York 22nd May 1921 with her 4 daughters . She was emigrating to join her husband and gives as her last address in Scotland , the home of her brother Henry Burns , Platthorn , East Kilbride.
This is a bit strange as 6 months earlier at the marriage of Henry Burns in Glasgow his address was 145 Finlay Drive in Glasgow and his occupation as a Drapers Warehouseman. Not an occupation in high demand in East Kilbride in the 1920's I think.
Prior to that the family had been long time residents in the Springburn area of Glasgow.
Any info on Platthorn greatly appreciated.
Baird
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Hi Baird
I think Platthorn is around the area where St Brides RC church and original St Brides Secondary school was located there. There is today a Platthorn Drive and Platthorn Road.
The 1920 Valuation Rolls shows 9 entries at Platthorn (No Burns though I don't think showing).
It may have been a farm. Found a picture of Platthorn Farm in 1918!
Shrunk link from google books - www.rootschat.com/links/01e9i/
Checking now, the 9 entries in the Valuation Rolls become 6 if you add the word farm ;)
Monica :)
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Platthorn was just south-east of the Kikrton of East Kilbride. Its land has been swallowed up by the new town of East Kilbride. See http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.76394&lon=-4.16708&layers=5 - use the slider on the left to compare this old map with the modern satellite view.
The farm house and buildings were inside the angle made by the junction of what are now Platthorn Road and Platthorn Drive, east of the former and south of the latter.
My great-great-grandparents Alexander Scott and Margaret Aitkenhead lived at Platthorn, and their three eldest children were born there in 1838, 1840 and 1841. I gather, however, that Alexander was not a successful farmer, and they had left Platthorn by 1843, when their fourth child was born. In 1841 there was one more house at Platthorn.
Later on, Alexander's niece Margaret Scott, who had married James Paterson, lived at Platthorn. Five of their six children were born there between 1856 and 1865 but they had moved away by the time their youngest was born in 1869. I have the details of their family from the 1861 census, but not of any other households nearby.
In 1881 there were three households at Platthorn: George Lyle, farmer of 102 acres, with wife, three children and a servant; Mary Strang and her son James Young; and Andrew Paterson with wife and servant.
I don't have information about who the tenants were in the censuses in between.
Hope this helps.
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many thanks Monica and Forfarian.(as usual)
Photo of Platthorn is very interesting but I'm afraid I cannot see any connection with any of the names listed as residing there in 1881. Interesting comment about the arrival of the railway line.I hadn't thought of him commuting.
Maybe just one of those mysteries.
Thanks again,
Baird
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The typed passenger record on Anc* has the address as Clapthorn
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A later passenger record in 1932 has her visiting her brother Thomas Burns at 1286 Springburn Road
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Many thanks for the info Sancti,
I didn't have the note about her return in 1932 but that address was where the family home had been and where her mother died in 1921. Her father was named Thomas but he had died in 1905. That leaves a brother Thomas of whom I have no death information . Something else for me to check out.
Regarding Platthorn or Clapthorn; I live in East Kibride and have searched for Clapthorn but to no avail. I have decided that the notorious Ellis Island record may be their version of Platthorn which is the only placename resembling Clapthorn in the area.
Many thanks for your assistance.
Baird
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I live in East Kibride
My great-great-grandfather Alexander Scott in Platthorn was the younger brother of James Scott whose wife was Isabella Baird. I believe she was the daughter of Robert Baird and Janet Fleming, but she died between the 1851 census and the start of civil registration so there is no death certificate. James and Isabella farmed at Greenhills. Any connection?
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Forfarian,
I think the original farm buildings from Platthorn Farm still exist.
From google maps, street view houses that sit there look like they have been redeveloped in recent years.
During the 1970's, I walked past them every day on my way to school
My memory is of much older looking whitewashed farm buildings, but they do take exactly the same form as I remember.
I clearly recall the old stone walls around the properties
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Thanks, Annep5892. I must make a trip to EK one of these days and have a look for what remains of all the places associated with my rellies in EK. There are plenty of them!
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I would like to throw my hat in too and say that I lived in EK for 7 years in the 1970s ;D I also likely walked past the area on my way to school too!
Little did I know then, before I got interested (aka obsessed ::)) in genealogy, that on my fathers' side his ggg's had come over from Ireland to East Kilbride in the 1850s where they lived for the next 20 years or so before heading off to the Glasgow area.
Monica
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Our story is similar Monica.
EK was granted New Town status in 1946 and, both my parents and my husbands family moved from Glasgow to EK in the early 1950s.
Little did we know that my husbands family originate in EK and can be positively traced back to the early 1700's.
Platthorn Farm land was probably compulsory purchased by EKDC around the early 1950s.
The first St Brides school ( junior secondary) opened 1955/6, followed by St Brides church
Parts of the original school was demolished in the mid 1970's ( whilst I was there) and replaced with a modern version.
It, was also demolished about 10 yrs ago and replaced with a third version!
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My father was Head of the English Department for a few years at St Brides. World is small for sure ;)
Monica
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The big slope at the front of the school was a pain to cut with a Flymo >:(
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;D ;D ;D @ Sancti!
It's odd, because I still live in EK but, other than attending the odd funeral, I've never had any reason to venture up to the school since I left in the mid 1970's
Probably because my own children didn't go to St Brides!
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Sorry, Baird, turning into Friends Reunited here :P ...and we are always so good at staying on topic here ::)
One more and then I will stop :-X What were you doing on that hill with a flymo, Sancti?!
Monica
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Sadly pulling it up and down with a rope for hours :(
H&S rules
Thankfully it was only 1 season before I got a transfer down the hill to civilisation in Hamilton ;D
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Ahh...mis-spent youth then ::)
Hamilton...much more sedate and civilised then!
Monica
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Well, someone had to cut the grass
It was a new town afterall
And then there was the blooming sand pits to weed and dig over for the budding athletes ::)
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Let it go Sancti...let it go.... ::)
John Wright Sports Centre and corresponding facilities were special ;D
Monica
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I had let it go. 8)
This thread brought all the memories flooding back :(
I'll need to go for a lie down now. :P
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;D ;)
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You go away for a few days and miss all the fun.
Platthorn was the best potato farm in all of Lanark, home of Paterson's Potatoes (my gran had an old merchant's ad framed on her wall).
Andrew Paterson was not a farmer and although he owned the farm he brought growers in as tenants to do the work. He sold the farm to the Stuarts after his 2nd wife (Fanny) died in 1882, but retained ownership of the house and garden. He moved down to Larkhall and died there in 1913. His son Wm assumed ownership of the house but I can not recall if he ever lived there. Andrew was the son of Wm Paterson and Janet Hart born 1824 in Maxwelltown. George Lyle ran the farm until he died then Wm Craig became the tenant of the farm until around 1920 when he and Wm Stuart became partners and split off plots and built houses.
Yes, I too have very long roots in EK but unlike many, I return annually just so I can shop at Silverburn ;)
Don
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Thanks DonM,
very informative and a more plausible reason as to why the chap I'm researching was resident there.
Baird
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Where did Henry's wife come from?
Where did Henry die?
Electoral rolls may be the best source for Platthorn residents at the time
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Hello Sancti,
Henry Leo Burns was born in Balmore Street, Glasgow in 1889. At the time of his marriage in 1920 in SaintJohns Church, Portugal Street his address was 145 Finlay Drive, Glasgow. His wife was a Sarah Mccafferty who lived in 425 Eglinton Street,Glasgow.
The next mention is on the Ellis Island data base when his sister gives her departure address in Scotland as his home in Clapthorn(sic) or Platthorn, in East Kilbride.
Henry died in Glasgow in 1975.
The only other tit bit is that he was a singer who performed on stage under the stage name of Harry Brandon.