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Hello:
I don't know if anyone has access to this item, but I am interested because the first appearance of our Lampard/Lamport family in the Steyning parish registers was in 1701: Ruth, daughter of Henry & Ruth Lampard, was christened on 9 Nov ... which begs the question, where did Henry and Ruth come from?
Although I know that more often than not weddings took place in the bride's parish church, I'm hoping that a marriage index entry for Henry & Ruth Lampard (or Lamport, etc.) c.1700 will provide me with a lead.
Can anyone help, please?
Regards,
Alison Causton
Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia
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Checked both the SMI and BVRI - no Lampard (Lamport)Marriages before 1771 I'm afraid
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Thank you, Suey. I'll have to figure out another way... ;) ,
Cheers,
Alison
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Hi Alison,
I love a challenge, so I used a few wild cards on the SMI to try & find your Henry & Ruth, lo & behold, this is what I found, I think it's your man! The spelling, 'Staining', I would think is Steyning! This has made my day, I hope it's made yours ;D
Brighton, East Sussex, Date: 27 Jun 1700:
Henry LAMPER, Staining
Ruth PAINE, otp
Jane
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Gasp!! Yippee!! :) :D ;D ;D ;D
Yes, I quite agree with you about the variant spelling and, of course, this now allows me to research Ruth's family backward. Thank for for this genealogical gift!
As for Henry, I still think he parachuted into Steyning just before 1700, as I've consulted the parish records and he does not appear in them before that date. I should probably consider consulting the neighbouring parish records, too.
Well, Jane, job well done! and wow! Hehe,
Best regards,
Alison
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... and here's the marriage in the IGI, no less, per extractions from the parish records:
Ruth Paine m. Henrie Lamper, 27 June 1700, at St Nicholas, Brighton. Batch no. M017281, FHL film no. 0547068.
ac
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Hi
Well done Jane :o
a nice piece of work completed here ;D
You are a credit to the sussex boards
Chris in 1066
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What a lovely feeling, to have found him ;D
Alison, it looks to me as if your family of Lampard/Lamport's didn't start off with that name. Much the same as my bunch, who started off as BRABY which later became BRAVERY as they moved from Sussex into Surrey. Finding this spelling variant might be a major break-through for you! I looked up other marriage's in the name of LAMPER on the SMI and the results are below, so that you can see the distribution of the name, which in turn might give you a clue as to where to look for your Henry Lamper's baptism,
16 Jun 1584 John LAMPER Katherine BISHOP Northiam, East Sussex
23 Aug 1608 Elizabeth LAMPER Robert IDEN Ewhurst, East Sussex
25 Jan 1613/4 Mary LAMPER William TRIM Northiam, East Sussex
13 Jun 1614 Margaret LAMPER Richard FRAUNCIS Northiam, East Sussex
25 Jan 1614/5 Mary LAMPER William TRIMME Northiam, East Sussex
13 Jan 1617/8 Joan LAMPER Francis EVENDEN Northiam, East Sussex
-- --- 1673 John LAMPER Jane COKERELL Archdeaconry of Chichester Marriage Licence
5 Jan 1673/4 John LAMPER Jane COCKERELL Binsted, West Sussex
23 Jun 1700 Mary LAMPER Nathaniel TALHERST Bodiam, East Sussex
27 Jun 1700 Henry LAMPER Ruth PAINE Brighton, East Sussex
27 Dec 1715 Sarah LAMPER Thomas MAYNARD Rye, East Sussex
7 Oct 1779 Ruth LAMPER Thomas SOUTEN Ferring, West Sussex
11 Oct 1792 Hannah LAMPER James HOCKHAM Steyning, West Sussex
15 Nov 1800 Henry LAMPER Mary SANFORD Steyning, West Sussex
11 Apr 1804 John LAMPER Elizabeth LISHER Sompting, West Sussex
29 Aug 1819 Hannah LAMPER Daniel FINCH Steyning, West Sussex
25 Aug 1822 George LAMPER Margaret WAATE Slaugham, West Sussex
12 Jul 1829 Jane LAMPER Benjamin CASE Steyning, West Sussex
22 May 1830 Harriet LAMPER David CAPLIN Sompting, West Sussex
8 Sep 1833 Ann LAMPER John BISHOP Steyning, West Sussex
9 Jun 1835 James LAMPER Sarah HOLLINGDALE Sompting, West Sussex
Jane
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Me again Alison,
Just a thought, but as he's not on the LDS IGI index, I went to my notes to check those Sussex parishes NOT on the IGI, here they are,
Ashburnham, Ashington,
ASHURST, BOTOLPHS, BRAMBER, Bury, Chailey, Houghton, Hunston, Ifield, Madehurst, Merston, N. Chapel, N. Mundham, Parham, Poynings, Storrington, UPPER BEEDING, Washington, W. Hampnett, W. TARRING, Wiggenholt. The one's in Upper case are very close to Steyning,
Jane
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Hello again, Jane:
I've just come home from work to another bunch of goodies :D.
That's interesting, Jane, about the family name changing. In the Steyning parish records (which I've reviewed on microfilm at an FHC), all of the Lampard/etc. entries descend from Henry & Ruth, and all of the spelling variants occur. Some of the entries you've given below, are familiar to me from searching the Steyning parish records. By the time our branch of the family moved on to Coombes (briefly) and then Piddinghoe c.1850, the surname was firmly Lamport.
And thanks, too, for the list of parishes not included in the SMI. That's important, isn't it. Have you seen the church at Botolphs? It's ancient, and lovely. I think I'm likely to find a few Lamper/etc. entries in the parish records of that and other neighbouring parishes. Somehow, I always knew that I was going to have a good go at all those records ::).
Thanks again, Jane, and here's hoping your good turns return your way.
Cheers,
Alison
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Your welcome, Alison,
Believe me, so many people have done 'good turns' for me, it's a pleasure to return the favour to the community at large.
No, never seen the church at Botolph's.
The list of parishe's I sent were for the IGI, not the SMI that you stated.
Happy Hunting,
Jane
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No, never seen the church at Botolph's.
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Jane, perhaps I was thinking of the church at Bramber ... parts of it predate the 11th century.
See you 'round the RootsChat forums ;-),
ac
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Alison,
Just cruising the web and you might like to know that someone is researching the LAMPER name on the Sussex Family History site.
http://www.sfhg.org.uk/ext/EA50.HTM
There is an email address to contact this person!
Jane
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I am pleased to say that I am the person researching Lampers on Sussex fhg! I just checked through all the messages about Lamport/ Lamper with great interest. The last couple on the Lamper list James and Sarah are my great great grandparents. One of James' brothers was baptised as a Lamport the others were all Lampers! I think I have contacted Alison before but we did not seem to have a link. perhaps we do now. Thelma
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Hello, Thelma:
I've checked all "our" Lamports (& variations) and not found a direct connection with your gr-gr-grandparents. However, I have only studied the Steyning parish records to this point, so cannot say whether the Sompting records might tie in at some point.
The only possible connection I see between the Steyning Lamports and the list given us by Jane is one John Lamport, christened in 1779 at Steyning. He could have been the groom in the 1804 marriage to Elizabeth Lisher. However, unless the Sompting parish register gave "son of" information for this marriage, how would we know? ???
Still, it's grand to hear from you. Perhaps we'll make a connection some day.
Take care,
Alison
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Hello again, John Lamper( perhaps Lamport!) and Elizabeth Lisher are my ggg grandparents. They are the ones who baptised their first child as John Lamport and all the rest as Lampers. I am in touch with someone researching the Lisher line so perhaps one of us will work out who is who. Bye Thelma
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Hi, Thelma:
Just wondering, if you have checked the Sompting parish records? Does the entry for the marriage of John Lamper and Elizabeth Lisher say anything about the individuals being "of this parish" or, perhaps in John's case, "Steyning", or elsewhere?
Regards,
Alison
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Hello Alison,
Someone on Rootschat gave me the info about John and Elizabeth. They were both 'of this parish' i.e. Sompting. Their son James was born in Upper Beeding which is given as Sompting although having checked a map they are some distance apart, so I do not really understand what it is all about. Some of his children 's birth places were given as Sompting/Steyning which also does not seem to make sense.
Have you come across Kelvin Lamport? He put a message on Genes Reunited saying that he had traced his Lamports back to c1680 in Steyning with the name of Lampard. I contacted him because his other variant names were Lamper and Lampert.
Good luck. Thelma
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Hello again, Thelma:
Hmmm, if John was of that parish and not of Steyning (but moving into the parish), then we may not be able to claim a link. Yet ;).
Yes, I do know Kelvin: his gr-grandfather, William, was my gr-grandfather Samuel's brother. We've been corresponding for a couple of years now. Kelvin has a web site at http://lamport.ca/Genealogy/Index-Genealogy.html, where you can view the parish extracts and other BMD data that I forwarded to him. With Henry's and Ruth's daughter, Ruth, christened in 1701, I estimated (conservatively, I hope) that an approximate birth year for both might be 1680. I sent Kelvin a fairly large update a few weeks ago and am working on another one, in particular, the PAINE family connection discovered for us just days ago by Jane Masri.
So, you and I can keep looking and maybe turn up a connection one day, who knows? Nice to hear from you.
Regards,
Alison