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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Sinann on Monday 01 December 14 08:56 GMT (UK)
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http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/john-grenham-irish-roots-1.2017344
National Library of Ireland Parish Records online soon
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Definitely looking forward to that. Wonderful news. Thanks for posting. :)
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I can't wait ;D thank you so much for letting us know sinann
Pet50ite
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Confirmation from the NLI on release of records.
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2014/12/national-library-confirms-plans-to.html
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They won't be indexed or transcribed so we'll need to continue using Roots Ireland to narrow the search down.
Blue
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They won't be indexed or transcribed so we'll need to continue using Roots Ireland to narrow the search down.
but no worse than having to scroll through microfilm?
no need to go out in the cold for access!
eadaoin
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Wonderful news! :D Lets hope nothing happens to spoil this. Frostyknight
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Sinann,
Thanks for the "heads up"........................Irish Lottery equivalent !!! ;D
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How exciting, and thank you.
I feel encouraged to start looking for the Irish side of my heritage.
Umm. When is summer in Ireland? Being an upside downer I'm not sure when to get excited?
Regards Crowsfeet
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Thanks for the info, Sinann!
Umm. When is summer in Ireland? Being an upside downer I'm not sure when to get excited?
Regards Crowsfeet
I'm an upside-downer too, Crowsfeet, but in my experience, the Irish summer is usually a Wednesday in late July...lol.
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One of the irritations of the R. C. records on microfilm in PRONI is that many are curiously arranged with the title after the record. This can be frustrating on a film with a large number of records divided into sections by date, type of record and parish. You see the record and then have to go to the end to discover what it is you are viewing. Sometimes I start at the end and work backwards but this can be confusing (easily done in my case).
So I wonder if NLI's digitised version will be set out properly.
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So I wonder if NLI's digitised version will be set out properly.
I don't think they're digitising them.
Just reread John Grenham in the Irish Times Monday - looks as if you'll have to scroll through them, or have I misread this?
eadaoin
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Eadaoin
I suppose it depends what one means by digitising. The NLI press release refers to their digitisation project which in this case means 390,000 digital images of the microfilms which will be searchable by parish only. I just hope that the record title comes before the record. This unfortunately is not the case in many (all?) of the PRONI R.C. microfilms.
Whatever happens, it will be wonderful to have them online.
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Thanks Sinann ...for the info....brill news
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Very interesting read regarding the forthcoming release of the parish records.
Paul Gorry's piece well worth reading.
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2015/01/rc-registers-online-different.html
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In case anyone is getting too excited.
This link give a good idea what these records are going to be like.
Includes photos of some of some images
http://www.from-ireland.net/irish-roman-catholic-parish-records-images/
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Yes straight away I thought it sounded more difficult to use than some people will think.
Blue
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I use the RC records regularly in PRONI and can confirm they are tricky to use. Often faded, badly written, out of order, entries that are upside down, filmed backwards, with gaps, and many of the earlier ones are entirely in Latin. And since there isn’t any index (and won’t be on the National Library on-line site), if you don’t know where in Ireland your ancestor originated, they probably won’t help at all.
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Looking forward to be able to see Roman Catholic Records on line
I have seen the Microfilm version of a parish, some of the handwriting is difficult to read.
The faded ones are the worst.
Some priests wrote the Fee paid !
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Release date confirmed by NLI as 8th July. :)
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2015/04/nli-announces-date-for-launch-of-rc.html
I searched south Dublin records (Blackrock, Dun Laoghaire, Cabinteely) in NLI and they were in fantastic condition, really readable. The 1860's St Michaels, Dun Laoghaire in particular were meticulous. The priest had drawn little maps of all the areas he was responsible for. Each entry had it's own reference number and at the end of each year he had done a tally of records for every name. So for instance the name I was looking for was Hughes, so you could go to the end of each year and see the number of HUGHES baptisms and marriages that year and the reference number to find each. Brilliant ! The Wexford records I was interested in were a different thing altogether - I could hardly tell if I had the page upside down or back to front !
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Hopefully Ancestry will make this collection searchable as they already do with their links to various external records.
Blue
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I have looked at a few parishes micofilm records in County Kilkenny
Some of the early Baptismal records have mothers names as Mrs, no maiden name given.
I saw a record that had Widow Kelly as mother, no first name for father or mother.
Not all have addresses either, mostly townland and street where it is given.
One bonus I found was marriage details written at baptismal record.
Stating spouses name and Parish where marriage took place.
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Release date confirmed by NLI as 8th July. :)
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2015/04/nli-announces-date-for-launch-of-rc.html
A date a date we have a date YIPEEEE
Should be noted it says from the 8th onwards
But we have a date😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
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I second the YIPEEEE !
It's good to hear that there were some obviously enthusiastic record keepers among the parish priests. Noting marriages against baptism entries and even helpfully noting the address in the margin is always good to see. A lot of English birth registrations in the 1850s don't have house numbers on them either in my experience. The registrars don't seem to think it matters. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the parishes I'm interested in had priests who were as keen on keeping the registers as we are on reading them ;D
I have an LDS film of Catholic registers of Termonfeckin, County Louth which is mostly illegible to me. My cousin bought it from PRONI after the then parish priest gave permission in the early 1990s, but only the researcher she paid was able to make out any of it. The register appeared water-damaged and some images were just out of focus.
My hope is that at home on a computer I will be able to enlarge images much more easily and make sense of more of what was recorded.
So it's stll fingers crossed, but getting closer at least.
Joan
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John Grenham's blog puts the soon-to-be online R.C. records in a very positive light:
http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/irishroots/
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John Grenham's blog puts the soon-to-be online R.C. records in a very positive light:
http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/irishroots/
Thanks for that,
I like the sound of the map.
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Hopefully I'll be able to find info on my husband's Irish ancestors prior to 1841 when they are in England.
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I feel sorry for the county centres but when a better way of accessing records comes along it's a good thing. Fingers crossed for a search facility to be added by a third party as soon as possible so it's more user friendly.
Blue
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Hopefully I'll be able to find info on my husband's Irish ancestors prior to 1841 when they are in England.
Unfortunately my ancestors appeared in 1861 from 'Ireland' and had died by 1871 so don't think they'll be much help to me :(
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6 more sleeps until the NLI Santa arrives :D
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Hopefully another Santa will bring us a search facility for it in the near future.
Blue
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They were going to release them in the summer but decided to release them 8th July instead.... :-))
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So, do I stand any chance of finding a baptism for John Sherry born Dublin circa 1792 according to the 1851 census where he ended up in Paddington/Marylebone?
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Possibly, IF records exist for those dates at whatever church he was baptised!
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6 more sleeps until the NLI Santa arrives :D
OH! You mean you'll sleep that night when they are due for release ????
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How long will it be before the site crashes when they go live? :P
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6 more sleeps until the NLI Santa arrives :D
OH! You mean you'll sleep that night when they are due for release ????
Santa doesn't visit if you don't sleep, I wouldn't want to jinks it.
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With 390,000 images I'm wondering how many records it will contain given the population it has to cover over time..... can't sleep for wondering! :-))
Rootschat etc will be mad busy with people trying to figure out handwriting etc.... thank goodness one can get 2 pairs of specs for the price of one!!
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I'm just hoping that I will be able to find a few older records that RootsIreland.ie has missed.
It won't be fun trying to make sense of the records, until I viewed some old Irish transcripts, I never knew that my bad hand-writing was an Irish trait!
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I'm just hoping that I will be able to find a few older records that RootsIreland.ie has missed.
I'm just hoping .......
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I'm just hoping that I will be able to find a few older records that RootsIreland.ie has missed.
I'm just hoping .......
RootsIreland haven't even touched one of my lots parish yet so I should be on a winner. All fingers and toes firmly crossed.
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Maybe they'll decide to save money and cancel them, then send the money to our needy EU neighbours in Greece??
heheheee...
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Now this may be a silly question after all the excitement and waiting.... Fingers and toes are crossed for tomorrow.
Does anyone know how access to the NLI RC records will be made available? I haven't found a "watch this space" for a link yet :-\
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Now this may be a silly question after all the excitement and waiting.... Fingers and toes are crossed for tomorrow.
Does anyone know how access to the NLI RC records will be made available? I haven't found a "watch this space" for a link yet :-\
Just under 27 hours from now, it has been posted a few times.
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thank you Hallmark, I've known the date for sometime.
Its a link to where the parish records are going to be posted as I'm uncertain whether its directly on the NLI website or elsewhere.
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Now this may be a silly question after all the excitement and waiting.... Fingers and toes are crossed for tomorrow.
Does anyone know how access to the NLI RC records will be made available? I haven't found a "watch this space" for a link yet :-\
No I haven't a clue. I expect Claire Santry will have a link on her blog
http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/
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Looks like the name of the site will be Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI.
http://www.nli.ie/en/list/latest-news.aspx?article=cfde02b0-12f7-422f-96ce-6ab8e7e42cac
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Thank you Sinann, that may well be a good place to go first as it looks like its already setup waiting for the link to be added.
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thank you Hallmark, I've known the date for sometime.
Its a link to where the parish records are going to be posted as I'm uncertain whether its directly on the NLI website or elsewhere.
No direct link yet, they have been testing them on line for a while, just like the Census, which everyone was announcing was live early even though it wasn't, but what the actual URL will be on the day I don't know.
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We've to wait 'til 2 O'Clock :'(
http://www.nli.ie/en/list/latest-news.aspx?article=870991de-5fc7-4bba-8025-2f14e920b970
Tara
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Hi Tara
Many thanks for this news. I have been anxiously watching and waiting. ::) I'm afraid there will be so many of us trying to access the records straight away the site will go down and soon as it is up!
CD
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HA
I'm up since 5 !
Am I Mad ;D
Tara
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We've to wait 'til 2 O'Clock :'(
http://www.nli.ie/en/list/latest-news.aspx?article=870991de-5fc7-4bba-8025-2f14e920b970
Tara
Bah!
I'm at work anyway - was hoping for a little look over lunch.
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I think we've to wait for our illustrious politicians to have a party and then press the button to make it go live ::)
Tara
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I guess the "guests" and press will be given the opportunity to play with the new website before it goes live.... Can't have the headlines "new "Catholic Parish registers at the NLI" website crashes within minutes" can they. ;D
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I think we've to wait for our illustrious politicians to have a party and then press the button to make it go live ::)
Tara
Will it be like the Millenium clock in River Liffey.... that didn't last long :-)
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HA
I'm up since 5 !
Am I Mad ;D
Tara
You will probably fall asleep at 1:59 p.m.
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What do you reckon on my chances of finding my great great grandparents who were from 'Ireland' in 1861 (sadly both had died by 1871 so are only on the one census in Cardiff).
But I know both their names, and a time frame as my great grandmother was born in Cardiff in 1857 and her older sister in Ireland around 1855.
Ages are a bit sketchy - my gg g'mother was 40 in 1861, but 38 on her death cert in June 1866 and 37 when she was buried the following day. My gg g'father was 45 in 1861, 55 when he died in 1869 and 53 when he was buried.
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Well there are just under 400,000 scans, covering quite a few years and given the populations and number of RC's it will only cover a %age of them, so it is down to luck!!
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Deirdre784
To have any hope of finding them you will need to know where in Ireland they came from by townland/parish. Even if you know that then it becomes a matter of whether that parish has records as far back as the 1820s - many have not. Then you have to hope that the records are legible and many are not.
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Summer is your winter.
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UGH
The radio was driving me barmy this morning as they kept saying "Oh you'll be able to trace you family back 300 years"
I WISH ::)
Tara
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Deirdre784
Have you posted your query on this family on a board here ?
Tara
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This is probably to the moderator but maybe you guys in general can answer this or make suggestions:
We all know that this forum is going to be inundated with questions re the registers and I reckon the threads will be all over the place.
Does anyone think, in time, it might be a good idea to set up individual boards for each church ie Dublin would have a seperate board for each of it's churches and so on for each county where people could answer on their experiences of reading the records for that church.
I just worry that otherwise we will keep getting asked the same questions over and over ie How far do the records for this church go back, how recent are the records, how legible are the records, what extra info is on the register, missing years etc etc etc
Anyone think this is a good idea or am I overthinking it ?
Tara
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Thee records are online now :D
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YIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Tara
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Even if one did that people will just come on here and post. How many even look at the Resources Board to even find out what is available?
Many don't even look kin up on Census so others have to do it for them or say they found them on Census but won't say where or post the link!
Many say they have this record but won't say what are the details on it.... in fact many just post and then let others do the work for them! and many expect that!!
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Thee records are online now :D
...and the link is ?????????
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It's excellent that these are now available but I fear there will be disappointment at the state of the records and the years covered.
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nli.ie bring you straight into the site
BUT
it's just buffering >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Tara
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On line at
http://registers.nli.ie/
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Deirdre784
Have you posted your query on this family on a board here ?
Tara
Hi Tara, no as I have so little to go on. Will see if the new records throw anything up and if nothing then I'll post on here (maybe the surnames are popular in certain areas :) )
Deirdre
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I know Hallmark,
It's for that very reason that I was thinking of it.
I dread the forum being filled up with same incessant questions.
I could be wrong though ~ AH Aren't I naive ? ;D
Tara
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You are naive!!! ;D
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http://registers.nli.ie/
Is it just me..................not the easiest site to use ::)
Annie
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Having been to Dublin to view the records, I'm finding these so much easier to navigate and read.
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I'm only in one church so far but LOVING it !
Tara
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But you need to know the parish name, so I've not got a hope :'(
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Deirdre you need to put what you have on this family on a new thread on Ireland General.
Put ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that you have on them no matter how small.
Hopefully someone will help you when we've gotten off NLI ;D
Tara
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I'm only in one church so far but LOVING it !
I've found the page but don't know how to enlarge to read ???
Annie
ADDED..............of the area marriages I want to look at ;)
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Managed to have a brief look over lunch, still no joy yet with finding the ever-annoying Michael Maher in Mullingar!
Wonder if I can get out of the BBQ I'm supposed to be going to tonight so I can spend the evening on the computer ;)
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Every crumb helps... recently I eventually extracted FULL details from someone who had been searching for a person for 12 years!
They just kept posting Co. Sligo... eventually when they sent me stuff, ONE word in what they had told me exactly where they were and in 12 minutes (not years!) I had their grave location, marriage and a pile of other stuff!
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I'm only in one church so far but LOVING it !
I've found the page but don't know how to enlarge to read ???
Annie
ADDED..............of the area marriages I want to look at ;)
Click on the + to enlarge
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I've found the page but don't know how to enlarge to read ???
ADDED..............of the area marriages I want to look at ;)
This is the page I'm on but can't enlarge it to read any of them.....any help would be great ;D
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632461#page/1/mode/1up
Annie
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Click on the + to enlarge
Can't see the + to do it ???
Annie
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I've found the page but don't know how to enlarge to read ???
ADDED..............of the area marriages I want to look at ;)
This is the page I'm on but can't enlarge it to read any of them.....any help would be great ;D
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632461#page/1/mode/1up
Annie
Click on the + to enlarge!!
It's there in front of you....
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to right of Filter Events/Dates!!
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+ print etc are above image box
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to right of Filter Events/Dates!!
Thanks Hallmark,
Nothing like that on the page on my comp.
I think I may have a problem with acrobat reader or something......too technical to know for sure ???
Annie
ADDED..........bearkat, I don't see any of the choices you both have given, only the images ???
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Are you able to try using a different browser?
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Hopefully someone will help you when we've gotten off NLI ;D
That's why I thought I'd give it a while before posting as I can imagine most of you will spend days / weeks on the NLI ;D
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http://registers.nli.ie/
Is it just me..................not the easiest site to use ::)
Annie
Maybe its you Annie, I think its great so much easier than microfilm reader e.g. you can search for and go to the year and month you want. I love it.
M
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. . . AND I haven't gotten sick yet !
Those microfilm readers make me SOOOO ill :o
Tara
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to right of Filter Events/Dates!!
Thanks Hallmark,
Nothing like that on the page on my comp.
I think I may have a problem with acrobat reader or something......too technical to know for sure ???
Annie
ADDED..........bearkat, I don't see any of the choices you both have given, only the images ???
nothing to do with Acrobat.. the images are on screen and just above images there are several features to enlarge/brighten etc..
OK... maybe when you go to whatever Parish you get the opening page with small images and details of dates??
You have to then click on whichever image matches the dates you want, then that Image opens on screen!!
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I've found the page but don't know how to enlarge to read ???
ADDED..............of the area marriages I want to look at ;)
This is the page I'm on but can't enlarge it to read any of them.....any help would be great ;D
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632461#page/1/mode/1up
Annie
You need to click on the image you want to then open it...
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Enlarge..
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Excellent guidance Hallmark, Annie don't give up, its worth the effort.
Tara, I am quite the novice and don't know for sure but I met a lady in Wexford library when I was looking at registers there, she had come down from Dubln she said they had more on Microfilm for some Wexford parishes than the NLI, looks like that may be the case for other parishes from what you are finding. Shame, I had hoped never to have to get dizzy whizzing back and forward on the microfilm always missing the date I needed!
M
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Are you able to try using a different browser?
Thanks bearkat,
Much appreciated that......working fine now thankfully ;D
Annie
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Enlarge...
Hallmark..................I did say there were no choices showing up on my screen ;D
I took bearkats advice & used another browser so all is fine now ;D
Annie
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I'm sure rootsireland are sighing with relief that people will still need to go to them for a lot of records.
I won't knock them as I really have gotten great records off them.
I was hoping today to get the images off NLI to match the transcripts that I bought off rootsireland but so far I'm not having much luck but am enjoying the search nonetheless !
Tara
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I was hoping today to get the images off NLI to match the transcripts that I bought off rootsireland but so far I'm not having much luck but am enjoying the search nonetheless !
Tara
One success so far.
Handwritten index 'modern transcription', also available to view on the site today and clearly showing McLune surname, which I had known about for some years now (courtesy of UHF), but had always believed person was more likely a McClure - now also being able to view and compare with original handwritten entry on register page, it is clear first four letters on that are McCl not McLu and sixth looks more likely to be an 'r', so I now consider it to indeed be McClure.
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Well Done Scotmum
'Tis perfect for detective work like that !
Tara
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They won't be indexed or transcribed so we'll need to continue using Roots Ireland to narrow the search down.
Hi Blue,
Does that mean that anything which is not on rootsireland won't be on the new site (mine isn't on rootsireland) ???
Annie
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Well Done Scotmum
'Tis perfect for detective work like that !
Tara
Yes, just a pity the site I originally paid for details seem to have used the 'modern transcript' entry, as if they had used the original, I think it would have been obvious it was different.
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Having been to Dublin to view the records, I'm finding these so much easier to navigate and read.
Me too though I am going through the ones I am certain of first.
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They won't be indexed or transcribed so we'll need to continue using Roots Ireland to narrow the search down.
Hi Blue,
Does that mean that anything which is not on rootsireland won't be on the new site (mine isn't on rootsireland) ???
Annie
Some of the 'modern transcripts' are actually available to view on the new site today too, but remember to take the transcripts with 'a pinch of salt' and compare for yourself with the original.
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I might have found one.
1901 born 1873
1911 born 1863
Found a baptism 1867 :-\. Mmm.... :D
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Hallmark..................I did say there were no choices showing up on my screen ;D
I took bearkats advice & used another browser so all is fine now ;D
Annie
No problem, at least you are sorted.
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Annie
Do you know the parish ?
Is that parish not on rootsireland and THAT's the issue that you have OR that it's not in the parish that you thought it would be.
As far as I know NLI has ALL the parishes, I could be wrong with that though.
If it's the second issue then it could not show on rootsireland for a mistranscription or fading issue.
Tara
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Some of the 'modern transcripts' are actually available to view on the new site today too, but remember to take the transcripts with 'a pinch of salt' and compare for yourself with the original.
I have been unable to source an original as I couldn't find the marriage on rootsireland nor when I visited the local registry when I was in Ireland a few years ago.
Cost me quite a few Euro's & came out with nothing :(
Annie
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Do you know the parish ?
Is that parish not on rootsireland and THAT's the issue that you have OR that it's not in the parish that you thought it would be.
As far as I know NLI has ALL the parishes, I could be wrong with that though.
If it's the second issue then it could not show on rootsireland for a mistranscription or fading issue.
Tara,
All I had when I went to the local office in Ireland was both names & date for marriage c 1832 & that the info. from census had their kids born Derry............1st born c 1834
I had the woman searching for the marriage & all 5 kids ranging from c (1834 - 1844) give a couple of years but nothing showed up but cost a fair bit for the searches.
Now that this site is online I can check other areas close to Derry ???
My geographical knowledge of Ireland is 0 :-[
Annie
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All I had when I went to the local office in Ireland was both names & date for marriage c 1832 & that the info. from census had their kids born Derry............1st born c 1834
Annie
The info from what Census?
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The images of the originally typewritten books have a last column "page number".
Would anyone know what this page number refers to? Does it cross reference to a handwritten volume?
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This is probably to the moderator but maybe you guys in general can answer this or make suggestions:
We all know that this forum is going to be inundated with questions re the registers and I reckon the threads will be all over the place.
Does anyone think, in time, it might be a good idea to set up individual boards for each church ie Dublin would have a seperate board for each of it's churches and so on for each county where people could answer on their experiences of reading the records for that church.
I just worry that otherwise we will keep getting asked the same questions over and over ie How far do the records for this church go back, how recent are the records, how legible are the records, what extra info is on the register, missing years etc etc etc
Anyone think this is a good idea or am I overthinking it ?
Tara
Hi Tara
Rootschat doesn't have the spare capacity of boards to do what you suggest.
I'm sure you and all the regulars will work with KarenM (moderator) to keep the board tidy and tactfully point people in the right direction when they start asking questions.
Dawn
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My husband's ancestors came from Dublin according to English census, but I know nothing about Dublin. I guess there are lots of parishes, so I'll just search through them all until I find the family. More important really is what happened to my husband's 2 x g.grandfather after the mid 1850s when he seems to have disappeared, he was living in Manchester at the time. He probably died, but with a common name and too many certs to buy I've given up on him for the moment.
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I'm a bit disappointed so far. The only records I have found are the same as the ones they have on https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/. It's strange because I found a transcript of a marriage of one of my ancestors on the family search website and it had a lot more information on it. I was hoping to see a copy of that but no luck so far.
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I like the website.
I think that it is very well laid out and easy to navigate.
I especially like that you can either print the record, or download it to your computer.
I do wish that they had put more Pariah Records online, hopefully they will in the future.
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They've done a good job it's a nice site. I found it a bit tricky at first finding an image for a transcript I had because of the various names for each parish but the map layout made it easy to resolve that. It will need a search to benefit beginners and general searches to try to find those "born in Ireland" ancestors. I was aware of the limited coverage of certain parishes and this will be a disappointment to many people who were not aware of the coverage dates.
Blue
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I think the site works well and it hasn't crashed.
Is there a list of parishes with coverage anywhere? Or is it just a case of clicking on each parish and seeing what has been put online?
Are there any other records available or is that it, apart from more recent records?
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http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/
This link tells you what records are available for each parish.
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I am finding the new church registers website slow and I have not been able to view any of the registers. When I click on a microfilm I get a white screen and the cursor going around in circles......I am so disappointed...........Am I the only one who is having technical problems accessing the images? McShane01
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http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/
This link tells you what records are available for each parish.
Thank you :)
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All I had when I went to the local office in Ireland was both names & date for marriage c 1832 & that the info. from census had their kids born Derry............1st born c 1834
The info from what Census?
Hallmark,
The 1861 onwards in Scotland where they came to live & how I came to be ;D
Annie
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All I had when I went to the local office in Ireland was both names & date for marriage c 1832 & that the info. from census had their kids born Derry............1st born c 1834
The info from what Census?
Hallmark,
The 1861 onwards in Scotland where they came to live & how I came to be ;D
Annie
Were the Parents alive in 1907 and did they apply for Old Age Pension?
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Hi Dawn
Thanks for the answer !
Tara
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All I had when I went to the local office in Ireland was both names & date for marriage c 1832 & that the info. from census had their kids born Derry............1st born c 1834
The info from what Census?
Hallmark,
The 1861 onwards in Scotland where they came to live & how I came to be ;D
Were the Parents alive in 1907 and did they apply for Old Age Pension?
No......... unfortunately my g x 3 grandmother died (I think) in Ireland prior to 1851 census as he was a widower (had them looking for that too while I was in Ireland)
My g x 3 grandfather died 1865.
Annie
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All I had when I went to the local office in Ireland was both names & date for marriage c 1832 & that the info. from census had their kids born Derry............1st born c 1834
The info from what Census?
Hallmark,
The 1861 onwards in Scotland where they came to live & how I came to be ;D
Were the Parents alive in 1907 and did they apply for Old Age Pension?
No......... unfortunately my g x 3 grandmother died (I think) in Ireland prior to 1851 census as he was a widower (had them looking for that too while I was in Ireland)
My g x 3 grandfather died 1865.
Annie
Did any of their children apply for OAP when they were 70??
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I am finding the new church registers website slow and I have not been able to view any of the registers. When I click on a microfilm I get a white screen and the cursor going around in circles......I am so disappointed...........Am I the only one who is having technical problems accessing the images? McShane01
It may help to try a different browser - I've been using Firefox and haven't found any issues. Obviously the world and his wife will be on there just now which may slow things down a bit.
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It's tempting to scroll through page after page for hours but go easy on your eyes folks and take lots of breaks from looking at these images.
Blue
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Blue
PSHT
You sound like my hubby ::)
I say NO WAY DANNO ~
My eyesight is going anyway, I'm getting cramps in my hands, I'm hunched and stooped and have MAJOR bags under my eyes ~ but I shall keep going ;D ;D ;D
I'm terrified something will happen like irishgenealogy ~ do you remember back when they released the civil records originally and I was like 'Oh I'll do some more research tomorrow, then BANG It Was Gone'.
So, I've been on here long enough, does that count as a break HA !
Tara
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I don't think any questions will be asked in The Dáil about these records they're all old stuff. Pay to view sites may like to see them disappear but I can't imagine after all the work that has been done that they would be taken down.
Blue
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I doubt it too.
I may cause a riot if they are ;D
Tara
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Any tips on scrolling through some of this handwriting gratefully received ! Could be a while ....
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VERY slowly and as blown up as you can get it.
If it's a register where the handwriting isn't great then I would just spend a little time looking at just one page.
Take your time getting familiar with the person's handwriting.
Find names that you are sure of, say you find a John and you can see how the person wrote it, then you know how he wrote each of these letters.
Then find another name that you are sure of and mentally take note of how he wrote each of those letters.
If you then find a record that you think might be your ancestor but are having difficulty working it out, look back on the handwriting on other records that you are sure of and start to cross reference each letter.
Hope that makes sense ;D
Tara
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Familiarise yourself with Latin names.
We have a Garrett - baptised as Geraldus.
In another parish set, the townlands are written fairly clearly so I just scrolled down looking for ours and checked the names. Then I had a rest!
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All I had when I went to the local office in Ireland was both names & date for marriage c 1832 & that the info. from census had their kids born Derry............1st born c 1834
The info from what Census?
Hallmark,
The 1861 onwards in Scotland where they came to live & how I came to be ;D
Were the Parents alive in 1907 and did they apply for Old Age Pension?
No......... unfortunately my g x 3 grandmother died (I think) in Ireland prior to 1851 census as he was a widower (had them looking for that too while I was in Ireland)
My g x 3 grandfather died 1865.
Annie
Not what I'm asking.....
WHO would have been 70 in early 1900's?
Did any of THEM alive in early 1900's apply for Pension??
You might get them in 1841 0r 51 Census search forms!!
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Familiarise yourself with Latin names.
We have a Garrett - baptised as Geraldus.
In another parish set, the townlands are written fairly clearly so I just scrolled down looking for ours and checked the names. Then I had a rest!
I expected having to muddle through a good bit of Latin but the 1st 4 registers I've looked at are all completely in English :)
One priest even wrote in little notes- almost all fathers of illegitimate children names (some with comment 'married man' or 'a free man'), workhouse baptisms of ill babies noted- if only he put in maiden names
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Interesting find here:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=725223.0
Blue
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All sorts of stuff in them including "notes" on inside covers etc...
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"My eyesight is going anyway, I'm getting cramps in my hands, I'm hunched and stooped and have MAJOR bags under my eyes ~ but I shall keep going ;D ;D ;D" quote
I'm like that for the last couple of days too Tara.
And forget about housework for at least the next week, I'm spending the time in front of the computer screen. ;D ;D Much more interesting!! ;D
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What's housework?
Tomorrow I definitely must do grocery shopping and laundry ;D
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Oh at least I'm not the only one that's TOTALLY failing at housework and parenthood at the mo ;D
Tara
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This might come in handy at some point !
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irishchurches/RC%20Churches/Roman%20Catholic%20churches.html
Tara
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"My eyesight is going anyway, I'm getting cramps in my hands, I'm hunched and stooped and have MAJOR bags under my eyes ~ but I shall keep going ;D ;D ;D" quote
I'm like that for the last couple of days too Tara.
And forget about housework for at least the next week, I'm spending the time in front of the computer screen. ;D ;D Much more interesting!! ;D
So, are you saying "Everything is normal!" ????
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Isn't it wonderful!
We'd always assumed that an ancestor who was born in Ireland was Protestant, but then I realised that his sisters, who all remained in Ireland, had Catholic marriages. I struck it lucky with the parish I started with in the city he was from (I didn't know which parish)....picked a year a couple of years before we think he was born (1790s) and on the 3rd page I found his brother, and a cousin of some sort. I've since found one sister and another brother. There's several more to find as we know there were at least 7 (no 7 was called Septimus).
I'm sure than one of the godparents I've found was not Catholic though. That would be unusual wouldn't it?
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I have been searching for my great great grandfather Patrick McNamara and his wife Margaret Brohan from County Clare for 25 years. I had no idea whereabouts in County Clare but today I found the baptisms of their children in Scarriff. I'm so happy and hopefully I'll find their marriage too. Well done National Library of Ireland.
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http://canonlawmadeeasy.com/2007/12/27/can-non-catholics-serve-as-baptismal-sponsors/
Link about Sponsors/godparents at baptism.
Great to hear that searches have been successful :)
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Helping a friend with her research and found that while RootsIreland list 7 baptisms to a couple between 1877 and 1887 in Bray, when I look at the film none of them appear despite it covering all that period. :-\ I could understand the odd one but with all the baptisms missing I'm wondering if RootsIreland have got them listed against the wrong parish. Residence on all the transcripts is Little Bray, but the NLI don't have a film for that period for baptisms anyway so I can't think its an NLI issue. ???
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I have found not all the NLI registers are online yet.
A few years ago I was looking for the baptism of my husbands grandmother in 1887. A "friend" here and elsewhere ;D popped into the NLI and found her and her family, between 1871-1892. I then obtained a photocopy from Dublin of her birth cert. As she had changed her name by first name when she came to England, I was never 100% sure it was her. Roots Ireland now have her baptism with a note saying when, where and whom she married. This confirmed my research but the NLI registers online for Duleek only go up to 1880.
The parents married in Drogheda in 1871, this is on both Roots Ireland and NLI "but" not in the civil marriage index. :-\ I have been very confused about this for ages but now having seen the baptism of their first son, confirms father was in 40th regiment (2nd Somerset) of foot. And his birth record is in the GRO regiment index! Grandmother did give her father's occupation as soldier of the Somerset Regiment on her marriage entry but we thought that was just another of her tall stories.
Lesson learnt, check all resources! I have found some very good notes!
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I have found not all the NLI registers are online yet.
A few years ago I was looking for the baptism of my husbands grandmother in 1887. A "friend" here and elsewhere ;D popped into the NLI and found her and her family, between 1871-1892. I then obtained a photocopy from Dublin of her birth cert. As she had changed her name by first name when she came to England, I was never 100% sure it was her. Roots Ireland now have her baptism with a note saying when, where and whom she married. This confirmed my research but the NLI registers online for Duleek only go up to 1880.
The parents married in Drogheda in 1871, this is on both Roots Ireland and NLI "but" not in the civil marriage index. :-\ I have been very confused about this for ages but now having seen the baptism of their first son, confirms father was in 40th regiment (2nd Somerset) of foot. And his birth record is in the GRO regiment index! Grandmother did give her father's occupation as soldier of the Somerset Regiment on her marriage entry but we thought that was just another of her tall stories.
Lesson learnt, check all resources! I have found some very good notes!
All the Registers that NLI have are online... the registers elsewhere are not online as the NLI don't jave them to scan.
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All the Registers that NLI have are online... the registers elsewhere are not online as the NLI don't have them to scan.
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If you go to http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/#counties
then go to whatever County you need, the click on 'Catholic Records' it shows all the dates
PLUS the dates which ARE at NLI, with direct link to whichever Parish you want at NLI via the Image Online link
It tells you where the rest of the Registers are!
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Enjoying the search so far... My eye balls may fall out of the sockets, and I feel a bit frustrated with some of the handwriting, worse about the nearly invisible ink at times and ready to burst at a stong posibility of my gg grandmother baptism ... But the first name is torn from the sheet.
Overall... In spite of these frustrations, I am so thrilled the records are on line. :)
And love all the priests notes!
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When a priest adds a note it"s like winning the jackpot ;D
Tara
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Yes! As a history buff as well, it is so fun to read every page.... Who paid and how much... any type of comment, who lived where... Loved that one put BASTARD after a name instead of the usual "illegitimate" ...
It all comes alive.
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Yup,
Some entries used some choice turns of phrase.
They can be startling to see in print.
Tara
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I do hope these are indexed at some point - Clare Santry's blog indicates that ancestry and FindMyPast might be involved. I'm really struggling to read some of the images, keep wishing that the priest had thought to put some ink in his pen!
I have John Maher and Rose Gilligan, several childrens baptisms in Mullingar, but I cannot find a marriage for this couple so far. I need a few days and nights at this, at least until my eyes give up in protest!
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... I have John Maher and Rose Gilligan, several childrens baptisms in Mullingar, but I cannot find a marriage for this couple so far ...
Try 11 April 1847.
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Ooh! In Mullingar? Luckily the NLI website is a neutral one on the tracker we have at work so will take a look if I can't wait until I get home.
Thank you so so much!
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21 April 1847 John Maher to Rose Gilligan (no parents given)
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James Maher and Rose Donnelly
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635194#page/90/mode/1up
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21 April 1847 John Maher to Rose Gilligan (no parents given)
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James Maher and Rose Donnelly
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635194#page/90/mode/1up
Correct, 21 April, not 11 April, well spotted.
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http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/
This link tells you what records are available for each parish.
I'm looking for Taghmon marriages between 14/5/1848 and 2/9/1868 which are missing from the nli.ie website - before I fork out on a rootsireland subscription, what's the likelihood that those marriages will be there? Going through that link would suggest they're available at rootsireland Westmeath DNSHC.