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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: LizzieL on Tuesday 02 December 14 17:43 GMT (UK)
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On the 1851 census, Jacob Blackford (b abt 1809) and his wife Elizabeth and niece Adelaide Parrott age 15 are living in Brightwalton. In 1861 no family members with the couple but Jacob's birth year is now 1812. In 1871 the couple have niece Emily 12 and nephew Colin 10 with them. Jacob now says birth year is 1814. Jacob dies before 1881 census. His age at death gives his birth closer to 1809, best match is Jacob Mashall Or Blackford born 19 Jan 1808 bapt 21 Jan 1808 Brightwaltham, father William Mashall Or Blackford and mother Mary.
Adelaide is the daughter of Hannah Parrott (no father mentioned on baptism record). In 1841 she is with her mother Hannah and stepfather (John Eltham) under the name of Adelaide Eltham. In same house is Richard Parrott age 50, Richard Parrott 15 and Catherine Parrott also 15. There is a Susannah Eltham 10 months registered as Susannah Parrott in same quarter as Hannah Parrott married John Eltham a widower. I suspect Susannah is John's child but Adelaide is not because she was born a year or so before his first wife's death.
So it looks like Richard Parrott (widowed) has living with him: his two youngest children, married daughter, her husband and her children.
But I cannot find any baptisms for Hannah, Richard jnr or Catharine to Richard Parrot and unknown wife. I can find baptisms of John and Caroline to Richard and Susanna in Brightwaltham in the relevant time frame.
Emily and Colin are the children of John Parrott and Hannah Slade. John's age on 1861 census matches the one baptised to Richard and Susanna.
Could Richard and Catherine be a mistake on 1841 census and they should be John and Caroline?
Hannah (Parrott) Eltham does seem to vary in age but is always quite a few years older than the supposed siblings so maybe half siblings? And how are her daughter and the children of John Parrott the nieces and nephew of Jacob Blackland?
Then I found this: Hannah Mashall Or Blackford birth 25 February 1805 chr 10 March 1805 parents William Mashall Or Blackford and Mary.
Joseph had a sister Hannah - is this Hannah Parrott? If so where is her marriage to an unknown Parrott and why was her daughter Adelaide baptised with no father's name?
Any help greatly appreciated.
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Hi
This is very confusing :-\
I can see a marriage in 1847 of a David Blackford. Possible brides : Catherine PARROTT and Sarah PARROTT , Sarah HARRIS or Sarah HUMPHRIES.
In the 1851 census a Catherine and David Blackford are living with her mother Susannah Parrott and brother Richard. Wonder if is this the same family ? Ages of Catherine and Richard ,taking into account they would be rounded down in 1841, could be them
Brightwalton : Village
Susannah Parrott hd widow 75 pauper bn Berks, Brightwalton
Richard son 30 ag lab " " "
Isaac grandson 8 " " "
David Blackford son in law 27 ag lab " "
Catherine " dau 27 " "
Richard " grandson 11 " "
Class HO107, Piece 1689, Folio 290, Page 8.
John and Hannah Parrott are two doors away from this family , plus a Slade family too !
claire
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Thank you for that. It does give a connection between Blackfords and Parrotts, but would make Jacob the great uncle of Richard Blackford jnr (Catherine and Richard's son) and no real relation to Adelaide Parrot or John and Hannah Parrott's children - he would be the great uncle of their first cousins.
The 1851 record is a surprise, since Susanna Parrott is missing in 1841, I had assumed she had died before 1841.
There is a burial of a Susanna Parrett in Brightwaltham on 16 Dec 1854 - age at death 74 so birth year 1780, which looks like her. A little younger than the one on the census, but fits in better with age of husband and birth year of last child.
Now the mystery is where was she in 1841 and to find baptism of Hannah Parrott (wife of John Eltham). Familysearch has a lot of Brightwaltham / Brightwalton baptisms but not Hannah's assuming she was born a Parrott and actually born in Brightwaltham as she says.
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Hi
There is also a marriage at Brightwalton 4.5.1833
Jacob Blackford and Elizabeth Parrott.
So is Hannah Parrott later Eltham ,Jacob's sister in law?
This would make Adelaide his niece by marriage.
Richard Senior baprised 3.4.1785 Brightwalton to a John and Ann.
No sign of a Elizabeth or Hannah.
ciderdrinker
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Thank you for that. I suspected an earier link between the Blackfords and Parrotts.
Jacob's wife Elizabeth (Parrott) was born about 1814/15 in North Moreton, Hannah also states Brightwaltham for her birthplace, her year of birth is so variable but I think about 1812. Late yesterday I found a Joshua Parrott born N Moreton about 1819 who was uncle to one of John Parrott's children according to census. John Parrott is definitely son of Richard Parrott and Susanna.
So two (possibly 3 if Hannah was mistaken about birthplace) elder children born in North Moreton, it could indicate Susanna was from there. Or Elizabeth, Hannah and Joshua were children of Richard's first wife if he had one. Or it could be like the Brady Bunch, Susannah and Richard both had children with former spouse, then married and had at least two of their own.
The problem is I can't find out anything much about Susanna. She was missing in 1841 (that's why I thought Richard had been widowed before then). But she's back in 1851. She says her birthplace is Brightwaltham. She is buried on 16 Dec 1854, her age at death gives birthdate of 1780.
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Hi
I've had a look at all the Susan/Sussannah's at Brightwalton and there are only two and neither fits.
Susanna Spokes 28.2.1762 d of Richard and Elizabeth
Sussannan Wicks 6.2.1791 d of Fruin and Elizabeth Wicks.
But then as you say what if she came from North Moreton which is not online.Apparently the Oxfordshire parish record Society is willing to do a search for you and they send you the results by post.
Can't think what else to suggest.
Ciderdrinekr
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Thanks for looking. Would it be Oxfordshie FHS or Berkshire? North Moreton was one of those places that moved in 1974.
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Yes
Sorry it would be the Oxfordshire Family History Society
Apparently you send an email to searches@ofhs.org.uk with details of the searches you require.
And I'm afraid they do charge.Not sure how much because I've not dealt with them.
Obviously if you can get to the County Record Office it should be free.
Ciderdrinker
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Hi LizzieL,
I have a copy of the Nth. Moreton transcripts from the OFHS and unfortunately I couldn't see any baptisms for Blackfords or Parrotts.
There is one only marriage for Thomas Blackford (from Brightwalton) 1736 to Ann Brown.
There are no burials for either name.
I also looked in the Sth.Moreton transcripts with no luck there either.
I have a Blackford & a Marshall in my tree and have never been able to find where they came from.
I suspect they came from either Brightwalton or even Lambourn areas.
Alan
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I've found some North Moreton baptism transcriptions on Familysearch and surprisingly a group of baptisms for the Wealing family which fit Hannah, Joshua, Richard and Elizabeth Parrott. Parents Richard and Susanna. Several other children, one of them being Margaret. When I looked for a Margaret born in North Moreton around the date of baptism on 1851 census, I found a Margaret married to a William Avery with an uncle Thomas Parrott living with them, so I think the Wealing connection is more than a coincidence. Thomas Parrott is Richard senior's brother so would be the uncle of Richard's children.
Richard jnr is on 1841 and 1851 census as Richard Parrott, then disappears but no death found between 1851 and 1861, but a Richard Wealing pops up in 1861 and 1871 married to a Sarah Avery. No sign of Richard Wealing before 1861. Susanna is missing from the family home in 1841, but there is a Susanna Wealing staying with Thomas Bannister and family.
Have also found marriage between Richard Wealing snr and Susanna Cullum North Moreton on 6 Oct 1806.
So it looks like Susanna married Richard Wealing, had several children then married Richard Parrott and had Catherine and John, and her Whealing children adopted the Parrott surname. Although Richard jnr marries as a Wealing. However I can't find a death for Richard Wealing snr or a marriage between Susanna and Richard Parrott.
So the other possibility is that Richard Wealing and Richard Parrott are the same person. Richard snr was the oldest child of John Parrott and Ann, possibly born before they married. If I could find marriage of John and Ann and hence her maiden name it would probably solve this one. It does seem that Richard jnr and Susanna used both names on censuses.
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Hi LizzieL.
Jacob's wife Elizabeth (Parrott) was born about 1814/15 in North Moreton
I think you'll find that Elizabeth Parrott and Jacob Blackford married in 1833 which would indicate she was a minor.
Alan
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That would fit with baptism of Elizabeth Wealing in North Moreton on 31 Jul 1814 to Richard Wealing and Susanna.
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Hi LizzieL,
In case you have a need for this marriage in North Moreton;
6-10-1806 Richard Wealing, bach to Susannah Cullum, sp, by Banns
wits; Edward Keep, Amos Pratt
Can't see any baptism for either in NM.
Alan
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So the other possibility is that Richard Wealing and Richard Parrott are the same person. Richard snr was the oldest child of John Parrott and Ann, possibly born before they married. If I could find marriage of John and Ann and hence her maiden name it would probably solve this one. It does seem that Richard jnr and Susanna used both names on censuses.
I'm still thinking Richard Parrott used the name Wealing sometimes for some reason.
John Parrott married Ann Snell at Brightwalton on 26 Dec 1784. Richard was baptised in April the following year. So well on his way when the marriage took place. Maybe his biological father was not John Parrott but a Mr Wealing. But I can't find any suitable Wealings in Berkshire.
I think this is going to stay a mystery.
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please ignore - a duplication
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I think I may have solved the Wealing / Parrott mystery
Robert Wayling married Mary Ballard at Fawley Berks on 19 June 1753
They had two children baptised in Fawley, Ann in Sept 1753 and Elizabeth in 1756
On 8 June 1760 there is a baptism for a John Waylin in Fawley s/o of Mary Waylin, no father mentioned.
On 27 Apr 1762 Richard Parrott of Stamford married Mary Wailing otp widow at Fawley.
Unfortunately I can't find a burial for Robert Wayling, but it looks possible that the Mary who married Richard Parrott is the widow of Robert, who between his death and her remarriage had a son by AN Other.
Then a John Parrott pops up and marries Ann Snell in Brightwalton on 26 Dec 1784. John's age at death (25 July 1828) gives a birth year around 1760/61. His first child is called Richard bapt 03 Apr 1785. This Richard uses both the surnames Parrott and Wealing.
I think John Parrott is the same as John Waylin.
Can anyone find Robert Wayling's burial or what happened to Ann and Elizabeth Wayling, who might have used the surname Parrott (if my theory about their mother is correct)?
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Hi LizzieL,
I can't seem to find any burials for the "Waylings/Parrott".
What I have found which you may already be aware of are these marriage details;
Marriage Licence #21732
Robert Wayling, of Gt.Fawley, Berks to Mary Ballard, of Shellingford, Berks, sp.
B/man; Martin King, Shellingford
Dated; 19-6-1753 Stanford-in-the-Vale, Berks
The Berks Marriage CD has Mary recorded as Ballerd
No trace of Mary Ballard bapt. in Shellingford.
Marriage Licence #25068
Richard Parrott, Labourer, of Stanford, Berks, Widower to Mary Ballard.of Fawley, Berks, Widow
B/man; Thomas Alloway, Yeo, Fawley
Dated; 26-4-1762
The only point I could make is that Robert Wayling married Mary Ballard in Stanford not Fawley
Not sure if these help or hinder,
Alan
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Thank you very much Alan. Thanks for correcting the location of Robert Wayling's marriage. FindMyPast transcription has a field called "place" separate from the "marriage place" field and another for "groom's parish" so I got a bit muddled! Interesting that Richard Parrott was also widowed - another marriage to look for now.
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Thanks for looking. Would it be Oxfordshire FHS or Berkshire? North Moreton was one of those places that moved in 1974.
Yes
Sorry it would be the Oxfordshire Family History Society
Apparently you send an email to searches@ofhs.org.uk with details of the searches you require.
And I'm afraid they do charge.Not sure how much because I've not dealt with them.
Obviously if you can get to the County Record Office it should be free.
Ciderdrinker
Yes and no.
Berkshire Record Office holds the parish registers for the north Berks parishes which were transferred to Oxfordshire. This is because they are still within the Archdeaconry of Berkshire.
https://www.berkshirerecordoffice.org.uk/parochial-register
Oxfordshire Family History Society does have transcripts of them, but Oxfordshire Record Office does not hold the registers.