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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: ngtp on Tuesday 09 December 14 00:52 GMT (UK)
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I am researching the family of Walter Bishop baker & confectioner of Waterford and Tramore. I have found most of his residences but one that is alluding me is inn the 1911 it is a seven roomed house Killoteran. Does anyone have any ideas of where it is and what it was.
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I am researching the family of Walter Bishop baker & confectioner of Waterford and Tramore. I have found most of his residences but one that is alluding me is inn the 1911 it is a seven roomed house Killoteran. Does anyone have any ideas of where it is and what it was.
Where did you get that information? The 1911 census House and Building Return describes it as a confectioner's shop with "13 or more rooms":
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003960383/
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I am researching the family of Walter Bishop baker & confectioner of Waterford and Tramore. I have found most of his residences but one that is alluding me is inn the 1911 it is a seven roomed house Killoteran. Does anyone have any ideas of where it is and what it was.
The reference gaffy posted is to Walter Bishop's residence. Is it this house on Strand Road, Tramore, that you are asking about of some other house that Walter owned? If the latter, please post a link to census entry so that we can have a look outselves.
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http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=WA®no=22900901
Link for Killoteran House
Could this be it?
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http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=WA®no=22900901
Link for Killoteran House
Could this be it?
I can't see a Bishop connection (online yet) to Killoteran House, that's not to say there isn't. Anyhow, here are a couple of previous Rootschat threads with a related mention to this man:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=646715.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=707276.msg5503509#msg5503509
To ngtp, the Waterford Directory of 1894 shows a portfolio of property for Walter Bishop:
99 Meagher's Quay: W. Bishop, confectioner
111 Meagher's Quay: W. Bishop, confectioner
48, 49 Michael Street: W. Bishop, confectioner
7 Barron Strand Street (Great): W. Bishop, confectioner
Transcribed records online from Thoms 1909/10 show something similar.
Like others here, I'm looking a bit more information... for example, was your 1911 reference:
- to the residence of Walter Bishop & family on Strand Road, Tramore? in the 1911 Ireland census;
or
- to some other "seven roomed house Killoteran", ie. asking about another property owned by Walter Bishop (eg. in that townland or a house so named)
ngtp, hoping you will pick this up and clarify since you've been active today since your OP :)
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Search here Killoteran yields Edward Roberts ,Killoteran (townland ?) 1840
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
Edward Roberts leasing land at Killoteran on Griffiths Valuation maybe some one could pinpoint it on map.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
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Walter Bishop had a few properties, as I have said, I am researching his family. In the 1901 he is resident with his wife Bridget nee Power in Michael Street Waterford.
His children are registered in in house 11 Butlerstown North (Kïlloteran, Waterford).
Bishop Walter - - Head of Family -
Bishop Margaret 10 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Bishop Ellen 7 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Bishop Elizabeth 6 Female Daughter Roman Catholic
Bishop Michael 2 Male Son Roman Catholic.
There are three servants. Walter is his oldest son.
Walter Bishop is named as the land owner. In form B1 also in this form it states in column for number of rooms 4 which is the number for 7, 8 or 9 rooms. number of winds to the front 9 class of house 1
Walters first wife was Mary Murphy born 1848 died 1889. That is all I have for the 1901 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/K_lloteran/Butlerstown_North/1763594/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001235688/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Waterford_Urban_No__2/Michael_Street/1761470/
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Which house exactly is the one you are trying to get information about?
I am researching the family of Walter Bishop baker & confectioner of Waterford and Tramore. I have found most of his residences but one that is alluding me is inn the 1911 it is a seven roomed house Killoteran. Does anyone have any ideas of where it is and what it was.
Do you mean that you cannot locate the above house in the 1911 census?
There are only 8 listings in Killoteran townland in 1911- 7 private dwellings and 1 church-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003503538/
Or is 'seven roomed house Killoteran' somewhere else?
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Are these his children
Hanna
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Kilmokea/Fisherstown/1799782/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Kilmokea/Fisherstown/690920/
George nephew
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Waterford_No__1_Urban/Barronstrand_Street/1761170/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Wexford_Urban_No_1/Main_Street__South/696426/
enter just Bishop in executor/beneficiary box here
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp
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Any relation
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/dc9d910540224
son
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR3V-XY3
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In reply 6 above you say Walter is his oldest son that is not referring to his son but himself as landowner and head of house although absent from this household the wills calendar says his son Walter died 1896.
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See also on Calendar of Wills
Sullivan John died 20 Oct 1920 administrator Hannah Bishop
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possibly the Anne Murphy who died 1913 leaving her will to George and Hannah
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Waterford_Urban_No__4/South_Parade/1762650/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Waterford_No__4_Urban__part_of_/South_Parade/670879/
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Here is the link
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/K_lloteran/Butlerstown_North/1763594/
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Here is the link
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/K_lloteran/Butlerstown_North/1763594/
You mentioned a house in Killoteran (which is the name of a townland) but that house is in the townland of Butlerstown North (Killoteran D.E.D.) which is why it helps to post a link for us to see.
It should be on the 1911 census here- comparing the 1901 and 1911 households usually makes it possible to make the connection and then you could use the Valuation Revision books or possibly directories to follow the property forward.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003503456/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003503457/