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I'm trying to track down the O'Toole family, who left County Wicklow in between 1901-1911. I'd really appreciate some help on any of the family, if anyone has any more information.
This is a bit of a mystery to me. Catherine and Charles O'Toole were born and married in Ireland, and they had at least 7 children. They can all be found living together as a family in the 1901 census, at 2, Kilmantin Hill, Wicklow.
But between 1901 and 1911 Charles seems to have vanished, the children have emigrated (I think some to the States and some to England), and Catherine is on her own in London. She ended up in charge of the laundry at St Pelagia's, 25-27 Bickerton Road, London. She completed the census form for St Pelagia's in 1911, and lists herself as "Sister in charge of the laundry". She also lists herself as single, rather than married or widowed. Does anyone know if a previously married woman could become a nun?
The home was run by the Sisters Servants of the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary. I've found some more information about it here: http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/stpelagia.html
This is the information I have on the O'Tooles:
- Catherine (M) O'Toole (maiden name unknown). b. 1869, County Wicklow, Ireland. Housekeeper in Wicklow Town in 1901. Running laundry of St. Pelagia's 1911.
- Charles O'Toole. b. 1866, County Wicklow, Ireland. Carpenter in Wicklow Town in 1901. 1911 ?? (haven't been able to find a death record for him either).
CHILDREN (all born in Wicklow, Ireland):
1. Brid/Bride O'Toole, b. 1887. She's the eldest child living with Catherine and Charles in 1901. 1911 - unknown, though she may emigrated to New York from Queenstown in 1904 (not clear).
2. Bartle O'Toole, b. 1891. Eldest son living at home in Wicklow Town in 1901. 1911 - unknown, possibly may have emigrated to US or Canada, although not sure if this is the right Bartle O'Toole.
3. Joseph O'Toole, b.1893. Living in Wicklow in 1901. 1911 ?
4. Ellen O'Toole, b.1896. Living in Wicklow in 1901. 1911 ?
5. John O'Toole, 1898-1966. Living in Wicklow in 1901. 1911 - unknown, although at some point he moved to the Stockton area of Durham. He married Mabel Florence Bowron in Stockton on 27th December 1919, and all his descendants are still in the Stockton / Teeside area. I would love to know when John came to England, and where he was in 1911!
6. Patrick O'Toole, b.1898. Living in Wicklow in 1901. 1911 ?
7. Owen O'Toole, b.1900. Living in Wicklow in 1901. 1911 ?
If the children survived the youngest boys would only have been 11 and 13 in 1911. I'm surprised that I haven't been able to find any records of them (including death records). It looks as though the family was very scattered, and I'd love to be able to get to the bottom of the mystery!
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Just a thought for 1911 Ireland http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Newcastle_Lower/Ballyvolan__Upper_/896814/
Kay
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Just a thought for 1911 Ireland http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Newcastle_Lower/Ballyvolan__Upper_/896814/
Great find - Charles is a carpenter, and the right age.
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They are in Rathdrum in 1911.
A possible marriage in Rathdrum in Dec qtr 1907 shows Charles Toole and Elizabeth Barry on the same page.
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I can't see a Toole family in 1901 at the moment that would match the 1911 family - which is a good sign
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Possibly sons Joseph and Bartle - again listed as Toole http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Wicklow_Urban/New_Street/898728/
And John http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Wicklow_Urban/New_Street/898739/
Kay
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Thank you very much for these - that's such an interesting find! I'm not sure how a Roman Catholic family at the turn of the century would have negotiated a separation and second marriage, but it would explain why Catherine went to London on her own. Presumably a divorce couldn't be granted?
Thanks also for finding the two youngest boys. I wonder when (and where) the older children went - presumably before Charles' marriage in 1907?
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@avm22
Please could you share the possible marriage you'd found for Charles and Elizabeth?
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@avm22
Please could you share the possible marriage you'd found for Charles and Elizabeth?
Index details here:
Charles Toole: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYDK-CTT
Same for Elizabeth Barry: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYDL-3ZQ
I am afraid I have no experience of ordering Irish certificates so cannot help on that.
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It is possible that the children were registered as Toole - This could be Bartie
Bartholomew Toole Jun Qtr 1890 Registration district Rathdrum
Vol 2 Page 883
Kay
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Presumably a divorce couldn't be granted?
Irish law of the time provided that a divorce could only be obtained by a private Act of Parliament. These Acts were named after the petitioner and are in the Parliamentary Archives - see:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r/1?_aq=divorce%20ireland&_dss=range&_ro=any
It is much more likely that (if anything) Charles and Catherine obtained an decree of nullity. In England many unhappy couples simply separated informally and turned a blind eye to each other's remarriage, but I do not know whether this was prevalent in Ireland, or whether Charles would have got away with a bigamous marriage without moving further afield.
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Thanks for this everyone, very helpful!
I'm really glad to have found the O'Tooles, and seriously impressed with your sleuthing. The plot certainly thickens though. To find Charles remarried and Catherine (possibly) becoming a nun suggests more than just a de facto separation. But I'm sure the O'Tooles wouldn't have had the means or social standing for a private divorce, and I don't think there would have been many grounds for annulment available to them after 7 children. Possibly just unearthed a scandal!
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I don't think there would have been many grounds for annulment available to them after 7 children. Possibly just unearthed a scandal!
The grounds for annulment were not limited to impotence etc. Consanguinity (being within the prohibited degrees of kinship), fraud/duress/lack of due consent to marriage, prior existing marriage were among the grounds which could be relied upon on an application for a decree of nullity.
it would be interesting to see what marital status Charles cited when he married Elizabeth.
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I think this is the passenger list that matches the outgoing list for Brid O'Toole in 1904 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JF1X-G4D It looks like she was from Ballinrobe, so might not be your woman.
There is a tree that gives Charles' death date as 1928 in Rathdrum, but no source is given.
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To find Charles remarried and Catherine (possibly) becoming a nun suggests more than just a de facto separation.
OH's great-grandmother is working in a convent in England in 1911, and is marked as a nun.
I'm pretty sure she wasn't a nun - she's marked as a widow teaching in the same convent in 1901.
And she's living with her daughter in Dublin a few years later when she dies, which would be quite unusual for a nun in those days.
I think that whoever filled in the form was a bit lazy and marked them all as nuns!
regards eadaoin
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Hi are you still looking for information regarding this post?
My grandfather was Owen Otoole last child mentioned on your list.
Kind regards
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Charles TOOLE bachelor
of Ashford, Co Wicklow
s/o Bartholomew TOOLE
Married 17 March 1884
St Andrews South Dublin
Katie BYRNE d/o Joseph BYRNE
Children-
Bridget TOOLE b 25 Oct 1887 Rathdrum, Wicklow
Bartholomew TOOLE b 12 Apr 1990 Rathdrum
Joseph TOOLE b 29 Jan 1893 Rathdrum
Ellen TOOLE b 4 Aug 1895 Rathdrum
John TOOLE b 17 Sep 1898 Rathdrum
Patrick TOOLE b 17 Sep 1898 Rathdrum
Owen TOOLE b 11 Mar 1900 Rathdrum
Katie TOOLE carpenters wife
died 20 Jul 1902 Rathdrum, aged 37 (acute phthesis)
daughter Bridget TOOLE present at death
Charles TOOLE carpenter/bachelor
died 11 Jan 1908 Kilpedder, Wicklow aged 34? (phthesis)
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I don't know what the Roman Catholic Church was like back in the 19th century, but I personally happen to know of a woman who was a nun, left to get married, husband passed away and she went back to being a nun! I never thought that she could have done that having been married. This was only 5 years ago, mind you!
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I am a granddaughter of John O'Toole and Mabel Bowron. I was born in Stockton on tees in 1963 to Denis O'Toole and Elizabeth Hart. I know nothing of my family history but would love to know more.
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Hi Carole63,
A little info to start you off:
This looks like your grandparents marriage:
Marriages Dec Q 1919
Bowron Mabel O'Toole Stockton 10a 162
O'Toole John Bowron Stockton 10a 162
It would appear that they had 10 children born between 1920-1937 all in Stockton (your dad being child number eight)
All this info can be found using this website:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
There is a Mabel O'Toole (birth year 1896) death registered in 1979 in Cleveland Yorkshire
and this birth registration (year of birth matches year of birth on death reg for Mabel O'Toole):
Births Sep Q 1896
Bowron Mabel (mother's maiden name Robins) Stockton 10a 50
This looks like Mabel Bowron 's baptism:
Mabel Bowron
Name Mabel Bowron
Residence Place Stockton-on-Tees, Durham, England
Christening Date 01 Jul 1896
Place St. Thomas', Stockton-on-Tees, Durham, England
Birth Date 11 Jun 1896
Father's Name Thomas William Bowron
Mother's Name Rebecca
Marriage for Thomas and Rebecca:
Marriages Sep 1871
Bowron Thomas William Stockton 10a 109
Robins Rebecca Stockton 10a 109
1901 census link for the family (Mabel recorded as Mable (if you click onto the name Mable Bowron the full record will appear):
https://tinyurl.com/yamcrkc8
This info is from this website:
https://www.familysearch.org/search
You can use now use this website and the one posted above to see if you can work back through the years to find more on/of your ancestors).
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Thank you candrjm for this info. I am completely new to this but so excited with this information. I really appreciate your help.
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for reference the 1884 marriage 17th March 1884
Charles Tool,Ashford son of Bartholemew and Mary (still alive on this date) to
Kate Byrne,Wicklow dtr of Joseph and Margaret (decd )
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633500#page/29/mode/1up
spotted this birth 1864 but not sure its them
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRWB-9QP
edited to add Bartholemew a Carpenter
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03607/2330886.pdf
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Ellen
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Kingstown_No__3/York_Road__Part_of/99424/
married James White 1913 she married from New Street
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09890/5593483.pdf
Bartholemew ,New Street married Esther Devlin 1914
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09865/5583494.pdf
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FTR
The Society of the Holy Child Jesus was founded by a married woman - LINK for info (http://www.shcj.org/our-story/cornelia-connelly/)
A most complex story of changing religion and giving permission for her husband to be ordained; he then changed his mind and there was a court case in England when he wanted her to return to him as his wife. LINK (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornelia_Connelly)
I was always fascinated by the story as my grandmother's sister was a member of the order.
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unfortunately the Ashford film starts in 1864 and ends 1881 for both baptisms and marriages
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0458
but assuming Mary born 1864 is Bartholomews last child made me think there must be much older children who got married
eg
Patrick and Bridget Doyle who married 1873
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Ushers_Quay/Rialto_Cottages/1302800/
Bridget Palmer is his married daughter
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kvd/
they Patrick and Bridget Doyle married 17th Nov 1873
140 here note the witness Edward Moran
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633301#page/15/mode/1up
Richard Manly,North Wall to Eleonara O'Toole dtr of Bartholemew and Mary Moran 1871
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kve/
not obvious to me in 1901
however they appear to have been living at 16 Storey's Cottages in 1902 when Richard Manley died
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05704/4608617.pdf
some of the daughters seem to be spread around as domestic servants
1911 Ellen
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Storey_s_Cottages/17747/
her daughter Catherine married James Dowling in 1915 from that address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09803/5558924.pdf
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Ellen died 1925 informant was her daughter Ellen Murphy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1925/05005/4366615.pdf
Ellen to Edward Murphy 1915
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09803/5558925.pdf
found them 1901 transcribed as Marly
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Storeys_Cottages/1277554/
i can see why
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003685614/
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Dont know what to make of these Bart and Mary
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Glencaly/Ashford/1816787/
died 1902 Bart
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05680/4600766.pdf
died 1909 Mary informant Catherine McLoughlin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05453/4526108.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Glenealy/Ashford/897845/
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On the above 1911 census there is a Margaret Mary Kelly, Niece age 10
seems to have been born in Bray Feb 1901 to William Kelly,Railway Porter and Margaret Toole
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01967/1758487.pdf
parents marriage April 1900 Margaret dtr of Bartholemew,Ashford
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10346/5766614.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Bray_Town/Back_Street/1810850/
Bartholomew Kelly born Rosbercom 1904
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01813/1710030.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Rosbercon/Carnagh/690695/
Margaret and Christopher's age on the census is very offputting but there does not seem to be another Bartholemew and Mary Toole having children in that area
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Hi
Thought you might be interested in theses baptisms from rootsireland.com
PARENTS FOR ALL CHILDREN
CHARLES OTOOLE/ TOOLE CATHERINE BYRNE ROMAN CATHOLIC
ADDRESS FOR ALL CHILDREN
KILMANTIN HILL WICKLOW
Bartholmew D.O.B 5 April 1890 Baptism 9 April 1890
Witness 1 Joseph McCall 2 Maria Kennedy
MARRIED Esther Devlin Strand Street On 28 November 1914
Bridget D.O.B 18 Oct 1887 Baptism 19 Oct 1887
Witness 1 Henry O'Neill 2 Jane Byrne
Helena D.O.B 22 Aug 1886 Baptism 25 Aug 1886
Witness 1 Laurence Byrne 2 Catherine O Toole
Patrick & John Twins D.O.B 17 Sep 1898 Baptism 18 Sep 1898
Witness for Patrick 1 Matthew Farrel 2 Bridget Doyle
Witness for John 1 Nicholas Bennett 2 Catherine Kirwin
Joseph D.O.B 26 Jan 1893 Baptism 1 Feb 1893
Witness 1 Christopher Toole 2 Maria Byrne
Elena D.O.B 18 July 1895 Baptism 21 July 1895
Witness 1 Martin Manly 2 Catherine Byrne
Married James White 31 Aug 1913 Wicklow
Claire
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This looks like the same family but I'm a little confused and hope that some of you who are a lot more experienced than I am can help me figure this out.
Ellen Toole married Richard Manly in Rathmines, Dublin in 1871. Their children have the same family names as the Tooles in this original post. Ellens marriage certificate lists her father as Bartholomew Toole a carpenter. I also found a church record listing all the names in Latin. Richard is called Richardus, Ellen is called Elenora and her parents are listed as Bartholomew Toole and Maria Moran. Based on the death record she was born around 1847. I found a birth for Ellen Manly to Bartholomew Toole (carpenter) and Mary Moran in August 1846.
Where I'm confused is that I also find birth records for children of Bartholomew and Mary Moran in the 1860's and 1870's.
They can't possibly be the same people. However Tooles and Manlys are both sponsors or witnesses over a couple of generations. I think Ellen who married Richard Manly is a separate generation but where is the connection?
Any help is very much appreciated... thank you for reading this.
Wendy
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Civil Reg Birth results for Otoole of Rathdrum Reg District; Marriage results for Otoole of Rathdrum ; Death results for Otoole of Rathdrum
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p8e/
select Marriages or whatever or by decade
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One can change District as needed, Dublin north, Dublin south etc...
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Thank you so much!!
I'll play around with this and see if I can figure out where I've gone wrong. There can't be two Bartholomew Tooles who married the same name 30 years apart.....I've taken a wrong turn somewhere.
Wendy
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You can change search criteria as needed...even put names in, tick marriage and use relevant year range if you want, leave District empty and search.
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I'll play around with this and see if I can figure out where I've gone wrong. There can't be two Bartholomew Tooles who married the same name 30 years apart.....I've taken a wrong turn somewhere.
I don't think there were 2 couples named Bartholomew O'Toole & Mary Moran in the same area but not sure why you think this isn't one family.
Christopher (likely youngest child?) born Dec.1870- parents Bartle O'Toole & Mary Moran
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03312/2214056.pdf
Actual age only a few years off in 1901 and 1911. Here's his death in 1946-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1946/04610/4222641.pdf
If mother Mary's age is accurate then she was only about 47 when Christopher was born which is perfectly feasible.
Catherine is probably next to youngest child and her age also inaccurate in 1901 and 1911. Married Hugh McLoughlin in 1899 and he died Jan.1901 but had been ill for 2 years.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10390/5783338.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05737/4619407.pdf
more to follow...
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Still checking and double-checking records but came across this 2007 obituary for a Bartholomew O'Toole of New St., Wicklow!
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklowpeople/news/sonny-otoole-was-a-skilled-carpenter-27736413.html
Title- Sonny O'Toole was a skilled carpenter
"Born in New Street, Wicklow, the third youngest of 13 children, Bart O'Toole got his nickname 'Sonny' to avoid confusion with his father and namesake, the Wicklow town sergeant, who also ran the Royal Pavilion dance hall on the seafront and later the Mall Ballroom and neighbouring grocers."
Which led to this 2001 article on the Mall Ballroom which mentions Mrs. O'Toole and daughter-
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklowpeople/news/farewell-to-the-ballroom-of-romance-27759316.html
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There's been a little bit of confusion here and 2 separate O'Toole/Toole families are mixed together :-\
Starting with this posted in reply #16-
Charles TOOLE carpenter/bachelor
died 11 Jan 1908 Kilpedder, Wicklow aged 34? (phthesis)
This Charles is NOT the one married to Catherine Byrne & Elizabeth Barry. Ddeath does say bachelor & informant was sister Bridget O’Toole, Kilpeddar-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05506/4542965.pdf ()
This is the Kilpeddar family (tree NOT complete)-
John Toole (d.bef.1901) m. Honor Classon (c1841-aft.1911)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Newcastle_Upper/Kilpedder_Town/1815935/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Newcastle_Upper/Kilpedder_Town/896994/ (9 ch./5 liv.)
1. Bridget Toole (1865 Kilpeddar-aft.1911), teacher
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03575/2317613.pdf
2. Margaret Toole (1868)
3. Catherine Toole (1871-aft.1911)
4. Charles Toole (1873-11 Jan.1908 Kilpedder), carpenter, unm.
5. John Toole (1876)
6. Bartholomew Toole (1878)
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Now for other Charles O'Toole's family (some of these details already posted)-
Bartholomew O’Toole (c1821-1902), carpenter, m.(24 Nov.1845 Wicklow) Mary Moran (c1826-1909)
Marriage witnesses- Eugene Toole, Mary Deegan
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Glencaly/Ashford/1816787/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05680/4600766.pdf
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014913/005014913_00248.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05453/4526108.pdf
1. Ellen O’Toole (Aug.1846 Wicklow-1925) m.(1871 Rathmines) Richard Manly (c1850 Wicklow-1902)
2. Patrick O’Toole (c1851/c1850 Ashford-1922 Lorne Terrace), carpenter, m.(1873) Bridget Doyle (c1855 Ashford)
3. Simon O’Toole (c1855-1931), carpenter, m.(1877) Julia Hickey; m.(1924) Brigid Lawlor
Bapt.1855
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11150/8084361.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmichael/Oldconnaught/1315175/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmichael/Oldconnaught/93510/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09160/5313183.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1931/04900/4328111.pdf (informant- sister Kate McLoughlin)
4. Mary O’Toole (1864 Ashford)
5. Charles O’Toole
6. Margaret Mary O’Toole (c1880/c1879) m.(1900) William Kelly (c1881)
7. Catherine O’Toole (c1867-aft.1931) m.(1899) Hugh McLoughlin (c1854-3 Jan.1901 Tawneymoyle, Co.Leitrim), R.I.C. constable
Bapt. 29 Oct.1867
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10390/5783338.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05737/4619407.pdf
8. Christopher O’Toole (Dec.1870 Ashford-1946 Ashford), carpenter, unm.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03312/2214056.pdf (parents- Bartle O’Toole & Mary Moran)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Glenealy/Ashford/897845/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1946/04610/4222641.pdf
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Charles O’Toole (c1866 Wicklow-aft.1911), carpenter, son of Bartholomew & Mary, m.(1884 St. Andrews, South Dublin) Catherine/Katie Byrne (c1869 Wicklow-20 July 1902 Wicklow), dau. of Joseph & Margaret; m.2 (1907 Ashford) Elizabeth Barry
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Newcastle_Lower/Ballyvolan__Upper_/896814/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10108/5677818.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Newcastle_Lower/Ballyvolan__Upper_/896814/
Note: I think he was likely born before 1864
1. Ellen O’Toole (22 Aug.1886)- died young?
2. Bridget O’Toole (25? Oct.1887 Rathdrum, Wicklow-aft.1902)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02540/1940430.pdf (Bridget)
c. Bartle/Bartholomew O’Toole (12 Apr.1890 Rathdrum, Wickow), carpenter, m.(1914) Esther Devlin- 13 children
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Wicklow_Urban/New_Street/898728/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1914/09865/5583494.pdf
1919 Petty Sessions- Bartholomew O’Toole, New St.- unjust weights
2001 article on the Mall Ballroom which mentions Mrs. O'Toole and daughter-
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklowpeople/news/farewell-to-the-ballroom-of-romance-27759316.html
a. Catherine O’Toole (1915) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01380/1567805.pdf (father carpenter)
b. Elizabeth O’Toole (1916) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01329/1549059.pdf (father carpenter)
c. Mary O’Toole (1919) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1919/01249/1519242.pdf (father town sergeant)
d. Bartholomew “Sonny” O’Toole (d.2007), 13th child- family
https://www.independent.ie/regionals/wicklowpeople/news/sonny-otoole-was-a-skilled-carpenter-27736413.html
4. Joseph O’Toole (29 Jan.1893 Rathdrum, Wicklow-aft.1911)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Wicklow_Urban/New_Street/898728/
5. Ellen O’Toole (4 Aug.1895 Rathdrum, Wicklow) m.(1913) James White
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Kingstown_No__3/York_Road__Part_of/99424/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09890/5593483.pdf
6. John O’Toole (17 Sept.1898 Rathdrum, Wicklow-1966) m.(1919 Stockton) Mable Florence Bowron
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Wicklow_Urban/New_Street/898739/
7. Patrick O’Toole (17 Sept.1898 Rathdrum, Wicklow-aft.1911)
8. Owen O’Toole (11 Mar.1900 Rathdrum, Wicklow-aft.1911)
Child of Charles & Elizabeth:
9. James Toole (c1909-aft.1911)
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As this thread is about O'Toole's from Wicklow town with Bartholomew's in their family and carpentry connections I am posting a link here to a shop in Wicklow town who is trying to trace descendants of a James O'Toole carpenter who signed his craftmanship in their shop in 1915, perhaps someone reading this might be connected? https://www.facebook.com/groups/wicklow/permalink/3953019348094188/?comment_id=3953316198064503¬if_id=1615563702620660&ref=notif¬if_t=group_comment_reply
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As this thread is about O'Toole's from Wicklow town with Bartholomew's in their family and carpentry connections I am posting a link here to a shop in Wicklow town who is trying to trace descendants of a James O'Toole carpenter who signed his craftmanship in their shop in 1915, perhaps someone reading this might be connected? https://www.facebook.com/groups/wicklow/permalink/3953019348094188/?comment_id=3953316198064503¬if_id=1615563702620660&ref=notif¬if_t=group_comment_reply
The link seems to be for a private Facebook group which means messages are only visible to members.
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Oops sorry, did not realise the link in the last post was private and would not work from here.
The reason I was posting it is because a pharmacy in Wicklow town is trying to track down anyone belonging to a James O'Toole , carpenter who did some work on their building in 1915 and signed the work and they would now like to reunite this signed piece of wood with a descendant of his family. I was hoping some of the O'Toole families that might read this thread could be connected. This is James and his family in the 1911 census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Wicklow_Urban/Bollarney_North___part_of_/898808/
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:-\ Could well be this entry here is his www.findagrave.com/memorial/204419772/james-joseph-otoole
Monica
Added: I think it is him. Transcript to his statutory death register entry does show him as a carpenter www.rootschat.com/links/01qer/ (link shrunk as it was coming up too long direct from irishgenealogy.ie).
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Monica,
Thanks so much for finding that information about the family grave and posting it. It definitely matches the census information and must be the same family, having the granddaughter's name at the bottom from 2011 should really help in tracing someone connected to the family. I will share this information on the site that posted the original request.
It seems poor James died very young, just 2 years after he carried out the carpentry work on Butlers Medical Hall in Wicklow but it is nice to think that over a century later someone cares enough to try and reunite his signed piece of woodwork with a family member. Thanks Again Margaret