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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: Carole147 on Friday 12 December 14 13:07 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone would have any current or past information about the "STRATFORD" family or their relatives,who were farmers from Cavan. My Grandmother, on my Mothers side was Thomasena Stratford. She was born in Dublin in 1884, daughter of Thomas Stratford and Jane Kilroy and she lived in Dublin with her brothers and sisters before moving to Cavan.(Thomas's parents were Mark Stratford of Cullaboy in the Parish of Drumlumin, Cavan and Martha Anne Ferguson from Mayheahy in the Parish of Soraby, Cavan.Mark and Martha married 1847 at Granard Register Office, Co.Longford). The 1901 census shows the Stratford family lived in Dublin, and 1911 census in Drumgore, Loughdawan. Cavan. My Grandmother Thomasena Stratford married at Gowna Parish Church in 1918. Her 2 brothers were Mark and Thomas(Tom) Stratford and sisters were Cheri,Julia and Katherine Jane(Edie)Stratford. Younger brother,Thomas(Tom)was a Farmer and had a farm near Kilmore, Cavan Town in the 1940's/50's up till his death early 1960s, when he had an accident visiting his brother in Downpatrick.My Mother, Ethel Owens lived with him on his farm for abt 10 years before 1951.She mentioned the "SLOAN" and "KNIGHT"families as being special friends who were related distantly to the Stratford family and I would be very keen to hear from anybody who has any information at all about the Stratford,Sloane, Knight families. With many thanks for your help, Carole.
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Lots of information there but thought I would fill in a few details for anyone reading this topic. However, are you sure about which Mark Stratford is your ancestor?
1) Mark Stafford, son of Mark Stratford, m.(11 Feb.1848 Parish Church, Ballymickillery) Thomesina Ferguson.
Marriage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~colin/FergusonsOfIreland/Cavan/Civil/Marriages.htm
2) Mark Stratford, Cullaboy Drumlumin Cavan, son of William, m.(6 Jan.1847 Granard Reg. Off.) Martha Anne Ferguson, Mayheahy Soraby Cavan.
Marriage: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~colin/FergusonsOfIreland/Longford.htm
This is the Thomas Straford you've mentioned-
Thomas Stratford (c1858 Cavan) m.(17 Mar.1883 Dublin) Jane Kilroy (c1846 Cavan).
Marriage: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/d415ec0583743
1895- police constable.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Spencer_Street/1277137
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Loughdawan/Drumgore/348096
1. Thomasena Stratford (1884 Dublin) m.(1918 Gowna Parish Ch.).
2. Katherine Jane “Edie” Stratford (c1886 Dublin)
1901 Katherine Jane. 1911- Kathleen
3. Mark Stratford (c1891), Downpatrick
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Ballynahinch/Railway_Street/234245
4. Julia Sidney Stratford (14 Aug.1892 Dublin)
Bapt. http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/91dd4d0014442
5. Thomas William “Tom” Stratford (6 May 1895 Dublin-18 June 1963 Downpatrick dist.), farmer Kilmore.
Bapt. http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/788aab0014198
?6. Cheri Stratford
Based on names, occupations & especially both having daughter named Julia Siney I feel these are closely connected-
Andrew Stratford (c1851-aft.1911). 1911- police pensioner, with brother William
William Stratford (c1850 Cavan-19 Feb.1915), police constable, m.(21 May 1873 Dublin) Elizabeth Grier (c1854 Liverpool-aft.1915)
Marriage: http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/3df0b60559678
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Clontarf_West__Part_of/Waverley_Avenue/27809
William d.1915 http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639426741
1. Thomasina Merry Stratford (20 Oct.1875)
Bapt http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/5650c10075316
1911- Thomasina Eileen
2. Margaret Stratford (19 Dec.1877)
Bapt. http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/7740580075476
3. Mark Thomas Stratford (27 July 1881)
Bapt. http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4ac9a40075771
? Mark Stratford (c1882-25 June 1944 Lurgan dist.)
4. Julia Sidney Stratford (c1886 Dublin)
5. Elizabeth Stratford (c1890 Dublin)
Other Stratford to keep in mind-
William Andrew Stratford (d.aft.1959) m. Elizabeth (c1886-12 Apr.1959 Belfast).
Stratford Elizabeth of 16 Park Avenue Holywood county Down died 12 April 1959 at Royal Victoria Hospital Belfast Administration Belfast 8 June to William Andrew Stratford retired sergeant Royal Irish constabulary the husband. Effects £739 15s. 3d.
John William Stratford (c1886-15 Feb.1955 Belfast dist.)
Stratford John William of 21 Kelvin Parade Belfast retired district inspector of police died 15 February 1955 Probate Belfast 21 November to James Millar Gordon Dunlop garage proprietor. Effects £1879 1s.
Andrew Stratford (c1890-7 Nov.1944 Belfast dist.) m. Annie (d.aft.1944).
Stratford Andrew of 7 Donegall Park Avenue Belfast district inspector R.U.C. died 7 November 1944 Administration Belfast 14 March to Annie Stratford the widow. Effects £3021 15s. 11d.
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... She mentioned the "SLOAN" and "KNIGHT"families as being special friends who were related distantly to the Stratford family and I would be very keen to hear from anybody who has any information at all about the Stratford,Sloane, Knight families. With many thanks for your help, Carole.
This could be the Knight connection-
Joseph Knight, son of Joseph, married 21 June 1848 Judith Stratford, daughter of Mark.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGX6-NRD
Possibly Judith?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Kilgolagh/Cullaboy_Upper/1050532
and same family in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Kilgolagh/Cullaboy__Upper/347917/
This family in 1821 census are likely connected as well-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9S-T76V
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Joseph Knight died 1864-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639410295
Judith Knight died 1904-
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639466561
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Lots on Stratfords and Knights here- use search function to pick out the surnames
http://www.cavanlibrary.ie/file/Local-Studies/Archives/small%20private%20collections.pdf
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Many thanks for all the links. My ancestor was the Mark Stratford from the Parish of Drumlumun, Cullaboy, b 1829 who married Martha Anne Ferguson, a Farmers daughter. Marks Father was William Stratford, born abt 1779 who also had a brother called Mark Stratford.Their Parents and Grandparents were called Thomas and William Stratford. Thomas I think, died in Freeduff and William in Carrick.Their family originally came from Warwickshire, (Nuneaton) it was abt 1700 that the 2 brothers William and Thomas Stratford came over to Ireland from Warwickshire. The Stratford family have some notable descendents.
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Hi Carole,
I have some of these people on my tree. My Grandmother was a Sloane from Gowna, Co Cavan. Her father was John James Sloane m Edith Connolly 1910 (in New York but they returned to Gowna after the death of his father James Sloane).
James Sloane m Julia Dobson 1875 , his mother was Catherine Ferguson
Catherine Ferguson m George Sloane , Catherines father was a Thomas Ferguson
Martha was Catherines Sister.
I have a very interesting deed of partition that realtes to the family land just outside Gowna.
Thomasina Stratford widow
First Part
John William Stratford a minor by Henry Strong his guardian ad litem
Second Part
John Strong and William Strong
Third Part
Catherine Sloane widow
Fourth Part
Thomas Irvine and Cherry Irvine his wife
Fifth Part
James Dalton
Sixth part
Deed of partition
Edgar William L’Estrange Solicitor
197 Great Brunswick Street Dublin
If this fits please feel free to pm me and I will send you all the dates/info I have. There are still these Sloane descendants living around Gowna/Cavan
Alison
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Thanks, have found out which Mark Stratford was my ancestor and the father of my Great Grandfather,Thomas Stratford. He was Mark Stratford who married Thomasina Ferguson on 11 February 1848.
Mark was a farmer of Kilalegh, his father was also called Mark Stratford (a farmer).
Thomasina Ferguson was the daughter of Thomas Ferguson (a farmer).
(They married at the Parish Church, Ballymickillery)
Thomasina Ferguson was born in Malyheahy. Co.Cavan in 1826. Thomasina's father was Thomas Ferguson, b.1795 Lisnalee. Monaghan. Her mother was Mary Anne Knight b.1800-1830.
Thomasina had 4 sisters called Catherine Ferguson, Martha Anne Ferguson, Cherry Ann Ferguson and Mary Ann Ferguson.
Mark Stratford (who married Thomasina Ferguson) was born abt 1801-1869. His father was Mark Stratford b 1778 and his mother was Judith, she died 1844. He had 2 sisters and 4 brothers. They were called Mary Stratford. Robert Stratford. Andy Stratford. Thomas Stratford. b.1806-1867 (who married Thomasina Fergusons sister, Mary Ann Ferguson). Judith Stratford. and Sidney Stratford.
I would be very grateful for any other information about the STRATFORD, FERGUSON, SLOAN and KNIGHT families to continue with my family history as they are interlinked through marriage.
Many thanks for your help, Carole.
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Mark Stratford (who married Thomasina Ferguson) was born abt 1801-1869. His father was Mark Stratford b 1778 and his mother was Judith, she died 1844. He had 2 sisters and 4 brothers. They were called Mary Stratford. Robert Stratford. Andy Stratford. Thomas Stratford. b.1806-1867 (who ..
Doesn't sound quite right, Thomas was born when Mark was 5?! ;D
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Mark Stratford (who married Thomasina Ferguson) was born abt 1801-1869. His father was Mark Stratford b 1778 and his mother was Judith, she died 1844. He had 2 sisters and 4 brothers. They were called Mary Stratford. Robert Stratford. Andy Stratford. Thomas Stratford. b.1806-1867 (who ..
Doesn't sound quite right, Thomas was born when Mark was 5?! ;D
and a sibling of Mark whose father was Mark Stratford b 1778, so father was c.28 years old when Thomas was born!
Perfectly plausible!!
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John Kilroy died 1889
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jgk/
Will
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/details.jsp?id=IRE/ORIG/WILL/REG/7539
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Mark Stratford (who married Thomasina Ferguson) was born abt 1801-1869. His father was Mark Stratford b 1778 and his mother was Judith, she died 1844. He had 2 sisters and 4 brothers. They were called Mary Stratford. Robert Stratford. Andy Stratford. Thomas Stratford. b.1806-1867 (who ..
Doesn't sound quite right, Thomas was born when Mark was 5?! ;D
and a sibling of Mark whose father was Mark Stratford b 1778, so father was c.28 years old when Thomas was born!
Perfectly plausible!!
Ah, my mistake - I read the thread too quickly :-X
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Other thread....
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=739420.0
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Hi Carole,
I have some of these people on my tree. My Grandmother was a Sloane from Gowna, Co Cavan. Her father was John James Sloane m Edith Connolly 1910 (in New York but they returned to Gowna after the death of his father James Sloane).
James Sloane m Julia Dobson 1875 , his mother was Catherine Ferguson
Catherine Ferguson m George Sloane , Catherines father was a Thomas Ferguson
Martha was Catherines Sister.
I have a very interesting deed of partition that realtes to the family land just outside Gowna.
Thomasina Stratford widow
First Part
John William Stratford a minor by Henry Strong his guardian ad litem
Second Part
John Strong and William Strong
Third Part
Catherine Sloane widow
Fourth Part
Thomas Irvine and Cherry Irvine his wife
Fifth Part
James Dalton
Sixth part
Deed of partition
Edgar William L’Estrange Solicitor
197 Great Brunswick Street Dublin
If this fits please feel free to pm me and I will send you all the dates/info I have. There are still these Sloane descendants living around Gowna/Cavan
Alison
This matches a branch of my family. It's good to see some some of the loose ends tie together.
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glad it helped, can you tell me more abt your family branch to wk out how we're connected
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Hi Carole,
I have some of these people on my tree. My Grandmother was a Sloane from Gowna, Co Cavan. Her father was John James Sloane m Edith Connolly 1910 (in New York but they returned to Gowna after the death of his father James Sloane).
Alison
John James Sloane
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/cavan/photos/tombstones/gowna-coi/target7.html
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thanks for information about John James Sloane & family, any information about Ethel would be appreciated, as my mother(when living in Gowna with her Uncle in the 1940s)knew her well
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also Eileen Knight, possibly from Cullaboy (both my mothers friends, Ethel and Eileen)are related to my Stratford family line)
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glad it helped, can you tell me more abt your family branch to wk out how we're connected
Hi Carole,
Richard Ferguson (m Sidney Welsh) is my 4th Great-grandfather. His son Henry Ferguson (brother of John) left Ireland and moved to Ontario, Canada.
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Thanks for letting me know, Richard Ferguson b.1730 Co.Cavan d.1776 Aughadreenaugh, Co.Cavan and Sidney Welsh b.1730 Killyfargy, Monaghan d.1800 Co.Cavan, are my 5xMaternal Great Grandparents. The Fergusons originally came from Galloway & Ayrshire, Scotland. This is all the information I have abt Sidney & the Ferguson family
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One of Sidney Welsh's brothers was Dr. Henry Welsh I, died May 7, 1794. I do not have a birth date. They are the chidren of John Welsh II baptised 1707 St. Catherine Church, Dublin, Ireland adn died 1766 Killyfargy, Co. Monaghan, Ireland and Anne Pilkington b. abt 1703-08 Tore, Westmeath, Ireland. You should be able to find more of each side of their trees on Ancestry. The Pilkington's were prominent in Lancashire, England as well as you will find them in Ireland . (Anne's father ws Abraham Pilkington, Esq. married to Elizabeth West. ) I am descended from Dr. Henry Welsh who's family eventually is in Lancashire, England. I hope this will give you more insight into this family.
Cheryl
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Many thanks Cheryl for this information which is much appreciated.
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Carole,
With reference to a previous post in which you stated
'Thomasina Ferguson was born in Malyheahy. Co.Cavan in 1826. Thomasina's father was Thomas Ferguson, b.1795 Lisnalee. Monaghan. Her mother was Mary Anne Knight b.1800-1830.
Thomasina had 4 sisters called Catherine Ferguson, Martha Anne Ferguson, Cherry Ann Ferguson and Mary Ann Ferguson.'
Is it possible or do you have any knowledge to indicate that Thomas Ferguson may have married again after his wife Mary Anne Knight died. I have found an Anne Sloane Ferguson who I believe was married to a Thomas Ferguson & I thought it might be the same man. I cant confirm a marriage but have seen a possible link in that Thomas Ferguson's death was registered by George F Crowe & Anne Sloane Ferguson was closely linked with a George F Crowe, her cousin (George Fraser Crowe I think!). Regards
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I've been building out my tree on wikitree, which includes a good line of Cavan Stratfords. Having some issues sourcing all the info I've found or been handed from other researchers - especially Knight connections.
Here's a link to one of the people on the tree. Appreciate any collaboration with others on this site
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stratford-403 (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Stratford-403)
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No,am sorry I dont know if he remarried though my side of the Stratfords were connected to both the Sloane & Knight families
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Havent been on for long time but my notes have parents of Thomas Stratford & Mary Irwin as William Stratford & Elizabeth, his father was Thomas,& Thomas father was William Stratford who was born Warwickshire,England & died 1701 Nuneaton
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Havent been on for long time but my notes have parents of Thomas Stratford & Mary Irwin as William Stratford & Elizabeth, his father was Thomas,& Thomas father was William Stratford who was born Warwickshire,England & died 1701 Nuneaton
I have some similar evidence for most of this, apart from the last William. How did you find the oversea connection?
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Given to me thr' family who'd researched Drumgore Stratfords
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Btw, Mark Stratford b 1801-1869 also had another son u dont know abt,Thomas Stratford, my descendent b. 1859-1937 Co Cavan
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Ian, I have father of ur Mark Stratford d 1937 who married Catherine Foster as Thomas Stratford b. 1806-1867(brother of my ancestor Mark Stratford b.1801-1869)& mother as Mary Ann Ferguson(sister of my ancestor Thomasina Ferguson)you may want check this out
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Thanks Carole,
I'm moving house right now, so it might take me a little while to check it out - but I'll let you know how I get on!
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Jane Stratford
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Loughdavin/Drumgore/1050723/
Jane Stratford died Monaghan mental hosp Monaghan 17th June 1930 may have been transferred from Central Asylum ,Dundrum,Dublin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1930/04917/4334409.pdf
Administration of her Estate late of Drumgore July 1930 died on the above date,£1 to Thomas Stratford Pensioner
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Hope house move goes well Ian, any probs with sorting ancestors let me know
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many thanks dathai for information abt Jane my maternal gt grandmother, ner been confirmed up till now as been v diff finding inform abt her, have u any idea where she might be buried as would really like visit her grave
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tried but been unable find anything abt janes family, tho' know her father was John Kilroy farmer from Drumgore & her mother Catherine, any help abt her/ family would be great, thanks
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Have you searched Civil Reg for them?
A;; Birth, Marriage and Death results for stratford anywhere
LINK http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p2e/
One can select Marriages or whatever and also get them by decades etc
Irish Govt BDM Website, solve security Captcha and use initials to sign in.
Any with Returns Page No don't have Images at moment.
0ne can right click on names amd Open in New Tab..... much quicker, click Image to view Cert
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what-civil-records-are-on-line ??
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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thanks hallmark for link, looking at it now
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Ian, came across your Mark Stratfords wedding to Catherine Foster on link above & now wonder if your Mark Stratford b. 1959 d.1937 & my Grandfather Thomas Stratford b.1858 d.1939 were brothers, as Thomas Stratford was witness to their wedding(& both fathers were named Mark),also your surname was my grandmother "Thomasina Stratford"s younger sister Catherines surname (when she married John Thomas Hunter), possibly 2 links here how connected?
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(just realised wrote earlier my ancestor Thomas died 1937, but he d. 13 Jan 1939 Drumgore, Cavan, & is buried Gowna Parish Church)
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& b.1858 Parish of Drumlummon
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https://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2018/01/personnel-register-of-dublin.html
i started at page 152 and found a Andrew Stratford and Joseph Stratford who retired in 1898 unfortunately it keeps knocking itself off so best keep a note of the page you are searching.
Joseph Stratford if i have found the right man sometimes had the middle name of Kent or Knight he was married to Eliza Jane Sterling or Eliza Jane Flux he was also a Constable in Canada
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VNG9-SRX
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Longford/Moatfarrell/Lisnanagh/1549028/
the only Flux i could find in Kerry was Thomas a Coastguard 1857
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1857/09533/5455993.pdf
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thanks dathai, Joseph Knight Stratford b.1850-1916(whose mother is mary ferguson) m. Elizabeth flux sterling b. 1858-1912 Cavan & are related to me thr' Josephs father, Thomas Stratford(brother of my Gt Gt Grandfather, Mark Stratford b. 1801-1869 Kilgolagh. What can't wk out is, did my Mark Stratford b. 1801-1869 have 2 sons?(one my Gt Grandfather Thomas Stratford b. 1858, Parish of Drumlummon d. 1939 & other son Mark Stratford(Ians ancestor)b.1859 d.1937 (who would obv be my Gt Grandfathers brother)? would really like your help trying solve this, thanks
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You would need Church records, as you see there are quite a few Sloan headstones in Gowna but didn't see any for Stratford.
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thanks, pretty certain my gt grandfather thomas stratford & Ians mark stratford were brothers tho wasnt able get defin proof, tried for records abt jane but no luck finding her birth or parents details, apart from def knowing from marriage certif her father was john kilroy farmer & she was from Drumgore, Scrabby
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Anthony Kilroy and Annabella McCulloch
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__5/Friars_Walk/1114686/
married 1868
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1868/11461/8211846.pdf
died 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05566/4562744.pdf
note Robert Beamish ,boarder and Isabella marriage not found
Isabella died S Africa motor accident 1932 had 4 sons i daughter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91Q-N36Y-Y?i=337&cc=2517051
a few more details
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91Q-N36Y-Y?i=337&cc=2517051
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https://www.geni.com/people/Anthony-Kilroy/320456719640004730
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this look's more like his death, Farmer and Process Server 1890 in Drumgore age 72 informant widow Catherine
208
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06104/4742175.pdf
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Frank Kilroy and Abbey Lang 1856
65
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1856/09506/5445281.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Ballyhaise/Ballyhaise__village_/1059806/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Ballyhaise/Ballyhaise_Town/320192/
died 1920
431
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1920/05129/4412091.pdf
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thanks for all links sent dathai, really happy to know jane had 2 brothers Frank & Anthony as been imp find inform abt Kilmore family & def is her father John who d 1890 drumgore
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"Kilroy" family
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Hi, wondering if i have correct parents of my maternal Gt G'father Thomas Stratford b.1858 Parish of Drumlummon, d.13 jan 1939 Drumgore, have them as Mark Stratford (b.1801 Kilgolagh d.1869 Finnea)& Thomasina Ferguson (b.1826 Malyheahy, daur of Thomas Ferguson, farmer & Judith Knight who d. 1844 Co Cavan),def know Thomas Stratfords father was Mark Stratford, farmer(from Thomas' marriage cert to wife Jane Kilroy 17 mar 1883 Dublin), tho tried been unable find any def inform or links confirming his parents names or if he had brothers/sisters, any help with this would be great, thanks
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meant(parents of Mark Stratford b.1801-1869 were Mark Stratford & Judith Knight d 1844) &(parents of Thomasina Ferguson b.1826 were Thomas Ferguson farmer b.1795 Lisnalee, Monaghan d.1864 & Mary Anne Knight b 1800 Killarley, d 1830 Co Cavan)tho' uncertain if they're correct parents & ancestors for myThomas Stratford b 1858-1939
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(1889 will of John Kilroy, Drumgore (Janes father)mentions Jane, wife Catherine & obv has to be Janes husband as Thomas Stratford of Cullaboy, Parish of Drumlummon & not as Thomas Stratford of Kilgolagh or Finnea, as id thought (death registered Scrabby)why need your help trying wk which Mark Stratford was the father of my ancester Thomas b.1858 Drumgore d. 1939 Gowna, who father Mark married & if Mark, his wife or Thomas had any brothers/sisters, afraid thats all the inform I have abt them, many thanks for any help with this
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Have you seen 1821 Drumlummon census?
https://www.familyhistory.ie/docs/archives/Drumlomman%20Parish%20Census%201821.pdf
I've been busy recently, but i'll try cross check our notes to see if there's a good explanation
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Thanks Ian, in notes made while bk for house 44 have Judith(farmer)Thomas(son) Mark(son)Margt(daur)Judith(daur)also Robt(son)Andy(son)Nancy(daur),tho could be wrong. Tho' think my Thomas Stratford b.1858 & your Mark Stratford b.1856 were brothers, in some notes have your Catherine Foster as descended from one of Thomasina Fergusons other sisters, (why wondering if Thomasina Ferguson b.1826 & Mark Stratford b. 1801 Kilgolagh d. 1869 Co Cavan are def the correct ancestors)
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Just to summarize, before I investigate:
My Tree:
- etc
- Mark Stratford (1778-?)
- etc
- Mark Stratford (1801-1869)
- Judith Knight (<1760-~1844)
- Mark Stratford* (1855-1937)
- Mark Stratford (1892-1956)
- Thomasina Ferguson (<1820-?)
- Grandfather
- Catherine Foster
- Great Grandmother
- Mother
Ian
In my tree, Mark Stratford (1855) has current siblings:
- Judith Stratford (~1848 -1904)
Your Tree
- etc
- Mark Stratford (1778-?)
- etc
- Mark Stratford (1801-1869)
- Judith Knight (<1760-~1844)
- Thomas Stratford* (1858-1939)
- Thomas Ferguson
- Thomasina Ferguson (1826-?)
- Mary Ann Knight
- Grandfather/mother
- John Kilroy
- Jane Kilroy
- Mother
Carole
And the bit you're unsure of is:
- Are Thomas*'s parents correct (and the same as Mark*s?)
I havent been able to find much on Catherine Foster. Although, I think she is the daughter of John Foster and Anne <Unknown Surname>
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Is this the church where Thomas is buried?
https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/40403010/lough-gowna-church-of-ireland-church-cloone-county-cavan
After the Coronavirus lockdown is over, I could check the nearby graves for clues - I live not too far away (I'd want to be sure I have the right church though!)
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Hi Ian, thanks for summary which mks me realise they def must have been brothers, also video of Gowna Ch which is the right one. Havent any inform abt Catherine except b.1855 d.12 May 1937 & they had 5 children, including your Gt G'father, Mark. Gowna Church is where my Thomas of Drumgore b. 1858 d.13 jan 1939 is buried, his grave is the upright fancy grave with the S on it, also there is the flat tomb of Mary Anne Knight & Thomas Ferguson & headstone nr tree is of Catherine Sloane(daur of Mary Anne Knight & Thomas Ferguson).
At Drumlumman Ch Irel abandoned graveyard, Finea(Ballymackilenny Ch),are old Stratford tombstones & old Stratford Coat of Arms(used by orig Irish Stratfords of Baltinglass). Thomasina, our ancestor is buried here,also Mary Ann her sister & several graves with Stratford crests on headstones. (Got all inform from relative,as have had to postpone visit to Dublin/Cavan).
Finnea village is where Thomasina had her house, & is beside the old Police Station.There was another Ferguson sister, Martha Anne b. abt 1822, d 23 Jun 1851, she married a cousin of our Mark Stratford b 1801-1869, He was also called Mark Stratford, think b abt 1820 & his father was William Stratford, farmer & they married 6 Jan 1847 Granard & had 1 son called John William Stratford b 1851, same year Martha Anne died.
There was a land indenture drawn up by Edgar William L'Estrange, Solicitor of 197 Gt Brunswick St, Dublin dated 18 Aug 1869 abt the Ferguson lands betw: Thomasina Stratford b.Ferguson of Kilgola(widow)1st part, John William Stratford of Knockaghy minor & Henry Strong his guardian 2nd part, John Strong & William Strong 3rd part, Catherine Sloane b.Ferguson of Knockaghy(widow) 4th part, Thomas Irvine & Cherry Irvine b. Ferguson 5th part & James Dalton of Brunswick Rd, Dublin 6th part. Thomas Ferguson & Mary Anne Knight also had twin sons, b/d 1828, because of no male descendents lands divided betw the 5 daughters & their descendents. (Thomas Fergusons father was John Ferguson)
The only inform I have abt Catherine Foster is she & Mark had 5 children, John William, Thomasina, Andrew, Mark,(ur Gt Grandfather)& Samuel, if I find more will let you know.
Realise your Mark b. 1855 d 1937 & my Thomas Stratford b 1858 d 13 jan 1939 Drumgore must be brothers tho unfort never been able find links for his birth & parents names, wonder if they poss had other brothers/sisters.When you get chance again to look at Churches pl let me know how goes
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tho' tried, been unable get birth certificate of my gt grandfather Thomas Stratford (b.1858 Parish of Drumlummon. Co.Cavan d.13 jan 1939 Drumgore. Loughduff. Co. Cavan)& wonder if anyone would know how i can get a copy of this or if there's another way which would confirm his mothers christian & maiden surname,(so that i can wk out if Mark Stratford b.1801 Kilgola, d.1869 & Thomasina Ferguson b.1826 Malyheahy. Co. Cavan were defin his parents)know his father was Mark Stratford, farmer, from his marriage cert, many thanks for any help with this.
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tho' tried, been unable get birth certificate of my gt grandfather Thomas Stratford (b.1858 Parish of Drumlummon. Co.Cavan d.13 jan 1939 Drumgore. Loughduff. Co. Cavan)& wonder if anyone would know how i can get a copy of this or if there's another way which would confirm his mothers christian & maiden surname
Civil registration of births started in 1864 so there will be no birth certificate. A baptism record (if it exists/survives) might or might not list either mother's Christian & maiden names or just Christian name. The information in registers can vary according greatly.
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Thanks, would you have any idea how I could find his Ch Irel baptism record if able get 1(he was b.Parish Drumlummon d.Drumgore(wife from Scrabby/Gowna)is buried Gowna Parish Church, related to 1 of 4 Ferguson daughters(poss Thomasina as she lived Kilgolagh with Mark Stratford b.1801-1869) connections with Knight/Sloane family & Drumgore Stratfords(Drumgore, Scrabby/Gowna, Kilgolagh, Parish Drumlummon keep coming up, but unsure which website or places best for Ch Irel baptisms)