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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: pinefamily on Saturday 13 December 14 07:51 GMT (UK)
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Hello fellow Rootschatters,
I have a few missing ancestors in my Springer line. My 4x-great grandfather, Wolter Springer, had 4 children by his first wife, Hedvig Norelia: Hedvig b. & d. 1788, Jacob Christopher b. 24 Feb 1791, Christina Magdalina b. 11 Nov 1795, and Carl Wolter 4 May 1799, all in Härnösand, Västernorrland.
I haven't been able to find them in the household examination books for Härnösand. I can't find it now, but I remember seeing a note in the "leaving" records that the children were going to Stockholm to stay with relatives, after the death of their father in 1803. Haven't been able to find them in Stockholm to date.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi pinefamily
Nice to help out again...
Can you give me the name of his second wife. I have the family in the books from 1812-1820 but with a Regina Maria Springer as the head of the family. (after digging a little I found her. His second wife was Regina Maria Wallman).
When and where was Wolter born?
Do you have a reference page for them leaving for Stockholm.
Ian
ps. the link to the Stockholm archives is only valid for the years 1878-1926. ds
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Hi again Ian,
Thanks once again for your help.
Sorry I didn't mention the second wife, I didn't realize you'd probably need her details as well.
Wolter Springer was born 5 Nov 1742 in Stockholm, son of Christopher Springer and Christina Tottie. This is the Christopher you helped me with previously I think, looking for his burial. Wolter married Hedwig Norelia in 1788 in Stockholm; she died 20 May 1799 after giving birth to the four children listed above. Wolter then married Regina Maria Wallman 12 Dec 1799 in Harnosand (sorry can't work out how to do the Swedish lettering on my iPad). They had 2 sons, Wilhelm b. & d. 1800, and my ancestor Magnus Wilhelm b. 1803, just after Wolter's death.
I don't think I kept a record of the older Springer children going to Stockholm, and I don't currently have a subscription to Arkivdigital. Not sure if it was in the leaving records, or more likely in the household examination books.
I haven't yet traced Wolter's siblings to see what descendants they had, or where they were.
Sorry I'm not much help.
Darren
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Hi Darren
I have found the family in the books in Härnösand 1812-1821:
Widow Maria Regina Springer b.1771
Son Magnus Wilhelm b.1803
Stepson Karl b.1803
Stepdaughter Christina Magdalena b.1794
her illegitimate daughter Ewelina b.1812
And beside their names Karl and Christina went to Stockholm.
Ian
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Is there any easy way to find them in Stockholm? I've had a look in the past at several parishes but couldn't see them.
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I am interested in knowing where you got the birth info for Wolter?
Ian
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I found Wolter's details on some online trees (not ancestry), but of course needed to verify for myself. I did look it up on arkivdigital, but seem to recall there was a note from the minister rather than an actual baptism entry. I don't have it in front of me at the moment but will look it up and post it. It was definitely in Stockholm, but can't remember the parish (maybe Sancta Clara?).
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Didn't take me long to find my notes. I had someone translate it for me previously.
Storkyrkoforsamlingen C1a 1:9 (1739-1751) bild 97/sid 183a
(1742) In a Bible of Merchant Springer is a note: 1742 November 5 Wolter Springer was born at 11 o'clock PM November 7 he was baptised. Sponsors were auditor Hans Bruse, Madame Arwidsson, Lorenz Springer, and Madame Elisabeth Tottie, clerk Johan Amnelius, and maiden Greta Salberg. All of this is correctly declared August 18th 1766 certified by Sv Sandmark Adj. Past Prim.
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Thanks. I had found it myself and read through it. The sponsors should read godparents. And I believe the date 1766 was the date in which the note was added to the birth book.
It came from the Parish of St Nicolai.
Ian
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Is there any easy way to find them in Stockholm? I've had a look in the past at several parishes but couldn't see them.
There is really only 1 way to find them, and that it is to go through the books.
Ian
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I guess I'd better renew my subscription with Arkivdigital then.
Thanks again, Ian.
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Hi Darren
I have found a Frans Christoffer Springer born 28 June 1813 in St Nikolai, Stockholm. Parents Jacob Christoffer Springer and Anna Christina Wennergren.
One of the godparents was a Stadsmäklaren Springer.
The name of this Stadsmäklaren Springer could be Thomas as I found a death of a Sara Elizabeth Deijen maried to a Stadsmäklaren Thomas Springer.
Jacob Springer was a shoemaker.
Ian
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I have found a Claes Conrad Springert born 28 Aug 1820 in St Nikolai, Stockholm. Parents Jacob Christoffer Springert and Anna Stina Wennergren.
Jacob was a wood carrier.
Ian
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Found the family in the books.
Jacob Christopher Springert b. 24 Feb 1791
Anna Christina b. 10 June 1787
Frans Christopher b. 28 July 1813
Hedvig Charlotta b. 5 May 1817
Claes Conrad b. 27 Aug 1820
and living with them Sofia Charlotta Wennergren b. 26 May 1804
Ian
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Wow, thank you so much, Ian!
That Thomas Springer is the brother of Wolter, and the uncle of Jacob. Bit of a change in career for Jacob, isn't it?
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Does it say how Sofia Charlotta Wennergren is connected?
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Does it say how Sofia Charlotta Wennergren is connected?
It says that she is "Flickan" - girl.
Jacob changed career, yes.
Ian
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Hi Darren
Try this, there are a lot of Springers here:
http://www.ssa.stockholm.se/Anvand-arkiven/Folkbokforing-och-mantalsskrivning/Register-till-mantalsbocker/Mantalsregister-1800-1884/
It is in Swedish but there is a translate button to press and many avenues to look in.
Ian
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Thanks Ian. I'll have a look.
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Hi Darren
I went through the links to the left of the page including "mantalslängder" and registers for all years and found a number of Springers from your side.
Here is a link to the term "mantalslängder":
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Swedish_Mantalslängd (https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Swedish_Mantalslängd)
Ian