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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: susanrcp on Sunday 03 July 05 10:33 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I live in the States and have been trying to trace my roots via the internet only because I am originally from Georgia but now live in Washington State. Anyway, I have traced back to when my first Ancestor came to America. His name was Thomas Lloyd of Dolobran, Montgomeryshire, Wales. From following his line back through his parents, Charles Lloyd and Elizabeth Stanley and his GrandParents John Lloyd and Katherine Wynne and Thomas Stanley and Sarah Burton, I have stumbled upon a huge mess. According to what I have been able to find on the internet John Lloyd's parents were David Lloyd and Ales Lloyd (one website had them as having the same father, David Lloyd). Then another website had 3 different David Lloyd's listed and 2 of them had the same birthday. I am very confused at this point and have no way to verify any information since I live so far away. I would like to know if anyone can help me and also if I have any relatives that may be reading this :) . Please let me know if you can help me. My e-mail address is EMAIL REMOVED BY MODERATOR, TO PREVENT POSSIBLE SPAMMING
Thank you,
Susan
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Hi susan and welcome to rootschat!
It would be wonder ful to help you as you obviously have lots on information to start with!
Have you been using census records and are there any missing?
Is there any specific information you are looking for?
You don't give dates, which are essential to identify families with "popular" names like LLOYD in Wales.
If you can post, for example, the 1881 census for your family we can maybe take it from there.
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Sorry about not leaving the dates but I am still fairly new to all this :)
I have been up all night still researching and this is what I have found out (It's rather complicated). I'll note where I am having difficulty but I also need verification for all of it. Right now I just have to trust what I find on the internet. Here goes:
Charles Lloyd born Abt. 1613 and died Abt. 1650 married Elizabeth Stanley born Abt. 1617 and died Abt. 1650 (death dates are the same ??? )
One of their four children was Thomas Lloyd born Abt. 1639 and died Abt. 1695 (this is the one that went to America and became Governor of Pennsylvania, appointed by William Penn). He married (I have found 3 names for his wife ??? ) 1. Mary Jones 2. Patience Gardiner Story 3. Catherine Lloyd Wyn.
The rest of it is very complicated and difficult to explain here in this forum but I think I figured it out on paper. Now I just have to input it in to my Family Tree Maker. That is what I was doing when I found I had 3 wives names for Thomas Lloyd.
If anyone can help me with this stumbling block I would greatly appreciate it. I'll check back often and also post my other difficulties if that is alright.
Thanks,
Susan
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this is all rather earlier than my resources to help you, but it sounds rather worrying!
I wonder what resources online you have found to help you trace your family? have you managed to verify it by checking parish records? The fact that you have several wives for the same person sounds as though several people have done the same piece of research and made different guesses!
Are you using submitted IGI records, for example? It has been known for errors to creep into people's research in this way.
I would suggest that you go to the earliest record that you know to be true and work back checking as you go. This way you can avoid following the wrong line. If there is something specific you would like checked, post it on this board and people will help or suggest where a solution may be found.
Good luck!
Arranroots ;)
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I don't know how to check Parish records and I don't know what IGI is. I agree that I think people have their records mixed up. I have been using Ancestry.com and Family Search.org plus just using the internet search engine. Thank you for all the trouble you are going to. Like I said I am still new to this. I just don't want to log anything that isn't correct.
Perhaps I can learn here how to properly look things up.
Thanks,
Susan
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Susan I apologise if I'm sounding harsh! I'm just a bit anxious on your behalf!
I assume you have used US censuses to trace your family back using Ancestry? Have you got back to one that comes from Wales that way?
The IGI is a set of records found on the familysearch site. some of these are written out directly from official records and others are "submitted" by researchers and apparently that is where mistakes can creep in - we are all human after all!
Edit: you told me when they arrived! I think you should post for the specific folk you are stuck on and see if someone local can help you.
Arranroots ;)
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The only part of Ancestry.com that I can access is the U.S. Census and the One Family Tree. I will have to save up to afford the rest of it.
I will go back and double check the records that I have found posted on all the sites to see if they are IGI or if they are "submitted". I'm sure that is where I am running in to trouble.
The one that I am stuck on right now is finding out the name of the wife of "Thomas Lloyd" born April 17, 1640 in Dolobran, Montgomery, Wales.
BTW no need to apologise. You don't sound harsh. I am very happy that someone is talking to me about this. Now I don't feel so alone.
:)
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Hi again!
You have come to the right place as folk will always be pleased to talk to you here!
I'm sorry that my resources are not early enough to help you. I hope that someone else can.
The Beginners board may have some pointers that will help, even if you are not exactly a Beginner!
Arranroots ;)
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Susan..................I too am looking up info for a friend and have the same exact info you do. I think my friend Thomas is your cousin if your dads name is Frank and he had a brother that goes by Chuck or Charlie. Let me know...maybe we can work on this together.
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Hey Susan it's me again...........I can clear up the stuff with the 3 wives of Thomas Lloyd. His first wife was Mary Jones who died 3 months after arriving here in the US, this was 1683. He then married Patience Story December of 1684, she passed away in 1724 long after Thomas who died in September 10th, 1694. so it looks like there were only 2.....I've been unable to find out who the 3 woman is. I hope this helps.
Also check out this url: http://www.genuki.org.uk:8080/big/wal/MGY/#Genealogy............it has some great stuff.
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You will find the Lloyds in directories like 'Who Was Who', etc.
They descend from kings and princes and are the Lloyds of Lloyds Bank and Stewart & Lloyd.
Pedigrees are online.
They married Pembertons amongst others.
There are a number of printed books containing info, including:
'The Quaker Lloyds in the industrial revolution' by Humphrey Lloyd.
"The Quaker Seekers of Wales" - the story of the Lloyds of Dolobran,
by Anna Lloyd Braithwaite Thomas.
Genealogical notes relating to the families of Lloyd, Pemberton, Hutchinson, Hudson and Parke : and to others, connected directly or remotely with them. Philadelphia: unknown, 1898. Parke, James P..
Thomas Lloyd went with Willliam Penn to Philadelphia ~ the one you are looking at..
One was Charles Lloyd 'the poet'.
See:
Lloyd Family of Dolobran
http://www.wfnforum.net/index.php?topic=7356.msg103067
Descendants of EDWARD I OF ENGLAND
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~kenzie/GenENGLAND2.htm
Quaker Immigrants
http://www.angelfire.com/ut/humceltic/Welsh2.html
The Lloyds of Dolobran
http://www.zip.com.au/~lnbdds/home/quaker.htm
Charles Lloyd (poet)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lloyd_(poet)
BRIEF HISTORY OF THE LLOYD FAMILY
http://www.eliotwalker.net/personal/history.htm
Fascinating Facts About Birmingham
http://www.virtualbrum.co.uk/facts.htm
Sampson Lloyd
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampson_Lloyd
Tri-Counties Genealogy & History
http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/articles/welsh.htm
Dolobran meeting house
http://www.hmwquakers.org.uk/html/dolobran_information.html
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-BOOKS/2003-08/1061481754
You can actually look in the following book, online:
'A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain' if you search on Google books. Lloyd of Dolobran is in there.
Thomas b. 17th Feb 1640 died 10th Sept.1694.
Married 1st: 9th Sept 1665 Mary, dau of Colonel Roger Jones of Welsh Pool, governor of Dublin in the reign of James II ...
This lady dying in 1680, he married secondly, Patience Storey,. but by her had no issue
This Thomas Lloyd joined William Penn in the colonization of Pennsylvania ...
His parents were, as far as I can tell, Charles Lloyd of Dolobran, born 1613, & Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Stanley.
Thomas's grandparents were John Lloyd of Dolobran, born 1575 & Katherine, daughter of Humphrey Wynne of Duffryn.
If you find the book online you will access more info.
You can look in this one too ~ it has something on the Lloyds:
on in the Welsh Tract: With Sketches
I have visited Dolobran & took photos.
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Sorry ~ I see you already had a lot of this ~ I got carried away!
I have quite a bit of info in my files, though.
I have copies of pedigrees going back to William the Conqueror and Alfred the Greatr, as well as French kings.
One of the Lloyds ~ now deceased ~ actually told my Mum & me that they went back to the Welsh princes and were more royal than the royals.
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There's a thread on the Lloyds of dolobran, here:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/lloyd/messages/784.html
It says: 'Dolobran which was their family home in Meifod (Northern Wales) was dismantled and reconstructed in Phila', yet, as I said, I've been to Dolobran, so that's a bit confusing. Perhaps there was more than one building.
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From:
Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Landed Gentry
"David Lloyd, esq. of Dolobran, b. in 1549, a magistrate for Montgomeryshire, married Ales, daughter of David Lloyd, esq. of Llanarmon-mynydd-maur."
David Lloyd's parents were:
David Lloyd Esq of Dolobran, born 1523, JP & his second wife, Eva daughter of David Goch.
This is also viewable online via Google Books.
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Hi Susan,
Thomas Lloyd was from the "Dolobran" Lloyd family.
This family is very well documented mainly because
a later generation founded Lloyds Bank in England
and subsequently paid for extensive research
into the family's history.
The details attached are an extract from Burke's
( see page 5 ) .
I hope this is of interest. In return, if you have
information on the decendants of Thomas Lloyd
I would very much appreciate a family tree
showing his children / grandchildren .
Regards
John Lloyd
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To Tricia_2
You seem to know a great deal about the Lloyd family !!
Are you related ?? Who was it that you and your Mum spoke to ??
Regards
John Lloyd
( I am a distant cousin of the late Humphrey Lloyd
who wrote - "Quaker Lloyds in the Industrial revolution" . .etc )
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Hi Susan,
Not sure if I can be of any use, but I am Zoe Lloyd. Lloyd is my married name and we are related to the the Lloyd's of Dolobran. If I can help with anything please let me know. I live very near to Meifod near alot of other Lloyd relations.
Speak soon.
Zoe
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Wow...great Links Tricia...I'm going to take some time looking through them.
I'm also a descendant of the Lloyds of Dolobran and am looking for more more more :)
thanks for all taht info!!
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Dolobran, the old sheep shearing station/village near Dinas Mallwyd. The acual building is now declared unsafe but the walls show the layout. Around are many farms that supplied sheep to the station a long time ago. This is the area known as Dolobran.
As you see, an important hisorical site.
Cheers
Astra
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Hi, to all the Lloyd family. I am also connected to the Lloyd family around the area of Nannau, Cymbychan and Bala,the northen part of walesis. Descent of Cadwagan, half-brother who died in 1111, and also Hywel Sele who was killed by Owain Glyndwr. I have got a lot of gaps among all my information, to how all the Lloyd family interacted with each other. My grandfather was Albert John Lloyd, and great grandfather was Lewis Thomas Lloyd from Queensland, Australia. Lewis brother was John Robert Loyd, and I think this brother who left Bala and went to Kansas USA, with his family. Can anyone enlighten me????
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I visited Dolobran Hall (near Welshpool) a few years ago. That is still standing, and was inhabited at the time.
Our family believes that there is a good chance that we are descended from the Lloyds of Dolobran and Birmingham ~ and my brother has had a Y-DNA test done.
If anyone is interested in comparing notes, please contact me :)
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A link to the Quakers of Montgomeryshire and Shropshire.
http://www.melocki.org.uk/salop/ShrewsburyFriends.html
I am related to the Wright and Pritchard families. Pritchard family of Herefordshire and Worcestershire. They formed the meeting house in Almeley, Herefordshire. Both Edward Pritchard and Henry Wright went to Tredyffrin, Pennsylvania.
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Lloyd family of Dolobran.
http://wbo.llgc.org.uk/en/s-LLOY-DOL-1292.html