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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Derbyshire => England => Derbyshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: isitdust on Sunday 14 December 14 20:09 GMT (UK)
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Hello
I live in a house called Brook House but it may not have always been known by that name
Current address is Lowes Hill Ripley derbys
It is located next to a hamlet of Hammersmith derbyshire and yes it's built over the brook
We are trying to find out when the house was built approx but it's proving difficult
I just wondered if someone who has access to the census records from 1851 through 1891 could locate the house in the records for us please
Many thankyous in anticipation
Peter Machon
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I'd have thought that looking at historical maps would give a pretty good idea of vintage and any name changes.
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As far as I can see no individual house are listed in the 1871, 1881 or 1891 census, they are just all dittoed under Lowes Hill.
Do you have the deeds of your house, it would be shown on there?
Your local library might be the best place to start.
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Is there a local history society, as I have found these to be very knowledgeable on such matters?
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Hello
Good replies and thankyou
Done the historical maps and there are none available that will show the house before 1872
Got the deeds nothing in them to say when house built
Looks like a listing from the censuses will show when compared roughly when the house was builtNeed to know how and what to look for in census from 1841 to 1881 that's shows Lowes hill
Regards
Peter
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Hi
Local history group none existent BUT will look harder for one
Even if you search for Hammersmith Ripley Derbyshire on the Internet the returns are few
Peter
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Prior votes for women is possible to trace a property owner in a house if the property owner was
a. A man
b. An eligible voter
An anomaly occurred with my ancestors in 1900 in Annfield Plain, County Durham.
My Great Great Grandfather built the house but he died in 1900. His wife received the property but she was not on the Electoral Rolls because she was a woman.
Her son living in the house was not on the Electoral Rolls because he paid no rent.
However her nephew rented a bedsitting room within the house and he was included on the Electoral Rolls. The only listing for that property.
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Have you got any idea of the age of the house as looking on Google Street view quite a few houses look relatively modern?
In 1891 Lowes Hill seems to start here
RG12
Piece number 2745
Folio 51
Page 10
But no houses are named or numbered.
1881 starts here
RG11
Piece number 3414
Folio 10
Page 11
Again no names or numbers
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Hello,
Have you tried this https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/. You can search with your postcode and then look at various historical maps. You would be able to identify where your house is rather than me- what I am seeing is that there is a building in 1937 which is not there in 1917. However, you are implying that your house is much older so I think it is probably the wrong building. ;)
Best wishes
Heywood
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Hi Peter,
First of all do you have actual Deeds or an "Abstract of Title", if deeds what is the earliest date
you have and what names are included in this Indenture?
Think you need to contact Derbyshire Record Office, Matlock and ask if they have a Tithe Map
for Ripley/Hammersmith these are dated abt 1844 and is when the Church commuted Tithes
into cash payments. Each Map is accompanied by a Book giving details of owner, who lived there
etc.
You need to find your property or land on this map, it will have an individual number which you
then look up in the Tithe Appointment Book.
If your property is in existence C 1844, you will then have an occupiers name to look for in either
1841 or 1851 Census.
Prior to Tithe Map there are Enclosure Maps again you need to ask Matlock what they hold.
Thing to remember when looking at either maps the numbers on the maps are NOT ordinance
Survey Numbers. They only relate to Tithe or Enclosure and will only appear on those maps.
Some deeds refer to these numbers.
So again what is the earliest Indenture you have and who was buying and who was selling?
Spendlove
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The famous, and accurate 'Sandersons' map of 1835 does not show the house, although it does show the 'Poker Row' terrace and the semi-detached houses on 'Hammersmith' itself with their gardens bordering the brook.
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I see that there is a meeting of the Pentrich historical society, on the 27th of Feb (I think), in Pentrich Village Hall, which is just up the road. The subject is a talk on Benjamin Outram, who was one of the people who started up 'The Butterley Company'. As most of the Hammersmith houses were for employees of this company, perhaps someone at the meeting may be able to help.
Sadly the records of the Butterley Company seem to have disappeared since the company collapsed a few years ago, though I gather that they were not very good at recording things, which is a great shame considering the wealth of industrial history and archaeology that used to be in this area. (Although the building of the A38 and A610 bypass in the mid 1970s destroyed much of value.)