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Title: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Friday 26 December 14 12:12 GMT (UK)
I am looking for a baptism record for Sarah Cornwell, who was born circa 1811 in Exning.

Any assistance on this one would be very much appreciated.  :)
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 26 December 14 18:39 GMT (UK)
Isn't Exning in Suffolk?  You have posted on the Cambridge board
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Friday 26 December 14 21:50 GMT (UK)
That's a very good point, Carole ...  ::)
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: keyboard86 on Friday 26 December 14 22:22 GMT (UK)
Hi a tad earlier their is this:-

Sarah Cornwell born 25th October 1806 Late Mansfield? baptism 23rd November 1806 All Saints Barnardiston, Suffolk Father Daniel Mother Mary?

Keyboard86

Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 27 December 14 09:27 GMT (UK)
That Sarah from Census appears to have Married Ambrose FROST, 8 May 1828 Exning, Suffolk

When/where/who did your Sarah Marry jbml?

Did she marry James Stinton and lived in Cambridgeshire?


Trish :)
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Saturday 27 December 14 09:54 GMT (UK)
My Sarah Cornwell is the one who married Ambrose Frost on 8 May 1828 in Exning. Ambrose and Sarah Frost were my great x4 grandparents.

Ambrose was a publican and shoemaker, keeping the White Swan in Exning. The current landlord of the White Swan has confirmed to me that the end part of the building, closest to the car park, used to be a shoe repairer's workshop.

Frustratingly, so far I have not been able to find anything at all about Sarah prior to her marriage.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 27 December 14 09:59 GMT (UK)
So that baptism looks correct then, Daniel Cornwell married Mary Mansfield 1st April 1798 Barnardiston

Keyboard86
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 27 December 14 10:24 GMT (UK)
Or possible Father JOHN? Or Grandfather John?

1841 Census
Exning, Suffolk
John Cornwell    75, Farmer
William Cornwell    15
Next Door;
Ambrose Frost    30, Cordwainer
Sarah Frost    30
Denis Frost    8
Elizabeth Frost    6
William Frost    4
John Frost    2
Charles Frost    
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 27 December 14 10:36 GMT (UK)
I think the Bardiston Sarah may have Married Robert OSBORNE, 30 December 1825    Barnardiston, Suffolk
F/S has the 1806 one with Parents as Samiel Cornwell/Mary Mansfield

This is frustrating!
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Saturday 27 December 14 10:43 GMT (UK)
Ooooh trish ... thank you for the John and William reference.

Yes - it does look as though it may be father or grandfather, doesn't it!

I'll see if I can track down a death and the death certificate may be very revealing. I guess there's a good chance that the informant will turn out to be "Sarah Frost, present at the death" ... and the question then becomes one of whether or not a relationship is stated!
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 27 December 14 10:47 GMT (UK)
How exciting, I nearly didnt type that up as I though you may have already had the Census!

Good luck with the Cert and please let us know the outcome :)
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Saturday 27 December 14 11:44 GMT (UK)
Oh wow!

It looks like John remarried late in life.

John Cornwell married Sarah Shipp Cambridgeshire, Newmarket 1848 Q2 volume 14 page 139

We then see them in the 1851 Census:

Vicarage, Swaffham Bulbeck, Newmarket, Cambridgeshire:

John S Cornell, 80, Retired Farmer, b. Carlton, Cambs
Sarah Cornell, 56, wife, b. Swaffham Bulbeck
Eliza Blanks, 20, house servant, b. Little Wilbraham

The death is more problematic. He does not appear in the 1861 census; but there are four possible deaths, all registered as John Cornell in Cambridgeshire, Newmarket:

1855 Q2 volume 3B page 375
1856 Q1 volume 3B page 325
1859 Q4 volume 3B page 357
1861 Q1 volume 3B page 359

His widow Sarah is to be seen in the 1861 census:

Grosvenor Yard, Church lane, Newmarket St mary

Mary Cornwell, widow, 34, Needle Woman, b. Great Bradley, Suffolk
Joanna Cornwell, daughter, 12 Scholar, b. Kirtling, Cambs
Ben Cornwell, son, 6, scholar, b. Newmarket, Suffolk
James Cornwell, son, 4, scholar b. ditto
Henry Cornwell, son, 2, b. ditto
George Cornwell, son, 0, b. ditto
Sarah Cornwell, mother in law, 64, formerly laundress, b. ditto

(I suspect this was a case of Mary not knowing where her mother-in-law was born, and so just entering the place they happened to be on the return)

I've had little joy so far in tracing Mary back to a marriage and a husband.

There are three promising deaths which could be her husband:

George Cornwell, Cambridgeshire, Newmarket 1860 Q2 volume 3B page 359
Henry Cornwell, Cambridgeshire, Newmarket 1860 Q2 volume 3B page 363
Edward Cornwell, Cambridgeshire, Newmarket 1861 Q2 volume 3B page 339

I cannot, however, find any marriages that would tie up or 1851 census entries to tally. (If forced to choose a favourite, I would plump for George, simply on the basis of the name given to the posthumous son ... but I know that's pretty thin).


In the 1871 census I think that she is probably Sarah Cornwill, widow, 78, retired farmer's wife born Cambs, Lode who is living on her own at Mill Road, Bottisham, Newmarket

Finally, I think she is probably the Sarah Cornwell, age 95 (!), whose death was registered Cambridgeshire, Newmarket 1875 Q1 volume 3B page 466

If she was living alone, then it may well be that whoever registered her death merely thought of her as "a very old woman" and had to guess at an age - so I am not too troubled by the age. She is not in the 1881 census, and there is no other plausible death registration.

Well ... there's an AWFUL lot of information to process there.

Hoepfully some of it will help me to unscramble this line a little further.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 28 December 14 09:21 GMT (UK)
BEN Cornwell Christened 7 Jan 1855, St Mary, Newmarket, Suffolk
Parents GEORGE/MARY

Possible Marriage;
George CORNWELL, 6 Nov 1853, St Mary, Newmarket, Suffolk
(F/S.Org)

1851 Census has a JOANNA Dains born c 1849 Kirtling with her Dains Grandparents William/Sarah in Kirtling.

1851 Mary Darner (sic), Neice, born c 1828 Gt Bradley, Suffolk, is with Joseph MOTT in Great Bradley.

William DAINES Married Sarah MOTT, 16 November 1822, Kirtling, Cambridge, England

Trish :)
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Sunday 28 December 14 12:10 GMT (UK)
Oooh ... thank you Trish. Yes, it does look like George is the right one then, doesn't it?

And you are thinking that Joanna Dains is Joanna Cornwell as was?
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 28 December 14 13:44 GMT (UK)
Yep I think Joanna Daines was the illegitimate Daughter of Mary Daines who then married George Cornwell.

Ooops I didnt finish Marriage info earlier post;
George Cornwell   
Marriage:    6 November 1853 Newmarket Saint Mary,Suffolk,England   
Spouse:    Mary Daine
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Sunday 28 December 14 22:27 GMT (UK)
That's great Trish ... many thanks for your help.

I'll have to note all this stuff down and go back to compare it with my existing notes, to see what needs amending or updating.

 :)
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Sunday 18 January 15 11:55 GMT (UK)
BINGO!!!!!

John WAS her father.

John Cornell married Lucy Tailor in Cheveley, Cambridgeshire on 22 January 1798

Sarah Cornwell, daughter of John and Lucy (formerly Taylor) was baptized in Exning on 11 November 1804 (so a little bit older than the Census entries suggest ... )

WOOHOO!! One happy bunny here.


Still got to figure out George and the rest of the siblings in that generation ... but we're on our way now  :D :D
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Redroger on Sunday 18 January 15 13:07 GMT (UK)
I have poked my nose into this thread as I and others have researched Cornwell primarily in the Bottisham area of Cambridgeshire for many years. There are a lot of them, and intermarriage amongst the clan and particularly with the Ayres and other families in the area is very common. However, will give all help I can.I suspect the Newmarket registrations will be Cornwells from the Bottisham (Lode) area.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Sunday 18 January 15 23:12 GMT (UK)
Roger ... thanks.

I've followed this line back to the beginning of the Parish Registers this afternoon (8 generations ... aren't digitized Parish Registers wonderful???).

I THINK I've got it right.

They seem to be the Dullingham crowd ... but if you're offering to cast an eye over what I've got and let me know where I've gone wrong, I'll be more than happy to submit to your scrutiny.

I THINK it all goes back to John Cornell, who was married to Agnes.

Agnes was buried in Dullingham on 27 May 1577, but not before she'd had a son Henry, who wasn't baptized until 1 December 1577 (I suspect, therefore, that she died in childbirth ...)

John Cornell then married Joane Norman, in Bottisham on 22 June 1579, and they had a further 6 children, all baptized in Dullingham:

Prudence (baptized 15 February 1579/80 ... so they obviously hadn't been THAT prudent ...)
John (baptized 18 November 1582)
Constance & Alice (baptized 16 June 1585)
Agnes (baptized 1 July 1588)
William (baptized 1 August 1591)

Joan Cornell was buried in Bottisham on 20 February 1602/3 (Norman family vault?)

John Cornell was buried in Dullingham on 23 November 1616



William Cornell married Ellen Rannew in Dullingham on 24 November 1616. They had 4 children:

William (baptized 15 June 1617, but died)
Elizabeth (baptized 24 May 1619)
Margaret (baptized 4 July 1622)
William (baptized 30 January 1624/5)

Ellen then died, and William Cornell, widr married Elizabeth Jarvis in Wood Ditton on 1 November 1627. They had 6 children:

Augustine (baptisex 20 April 1628)
Isaac (baptized 10 January 1629/30)
Alice (baptized 11 December 1631)
Audrey (baptized 3 February 1632/3)
Job (baptized 1 January 1634/5)
John (baptized 29 January 1636/7


Job Cornall married Barbara Hills in Gazeley, Suffolk in 1665. They had 5 children:

William (baptized 11 February 1665/6)
Henry (baptized 25 July 1669)
Alice & Marie (baptized 2 January 1672/3)
Margaret (baptized 1 November 1674)


William Cornwell married Susan Husk in Burrough Green on 8 November 1688

They had 4 or 5 children:

Margaret (baptized 19 December 1692, does not say who the father was, and might have been Henry's rather than theirs)

Mary (baptized 1 September 1695)

William (baptized 5 June 1698, does not say who the father was, but as Henry's daughter Sarah was baptized 10 months previously, I think probably William's; and Thomas, baptized on 19 November 1699 may be either's but I think probably Henry's)

Barbara (baptized 4 May 1701)
Abraham (baptized 26 June 1704)


William Cornel married Mary Wake in Dullingham on 19 July 1720. They had 4 children:

William, baptized 19 January 1720/1
Mary, baptized 21 July 1723
Joshua, baptized 11 December 1725
Elizabeth, baptized 29 September 1728



William Cornell married Ann Aves in Dullingham on 16 September 1741. They had 5 children:

William, baptized 29 August 1742
Ann, baptized 2 August 1744
Sarah, baptized 3 December 1749
James, baptized 8 March 1746/7
Edmund, baptized 6 November 1752


The action now moves from Dullingham to Cheveley.

William Cornell married Mary Cullifer (or Culliver, or Culifer ... sc. Cauliflower  ::) ) in Cheveley on 16 February 1767. They lived in Cheveley and had 4 children:

William, baptized privately 28 June 1767 and received into church 22 November

James, baptized 11 August 1768

John, baptized 16 June 1771. Private baptism. The register says "William and Elisabeth", but I think this is clerical error and it should say "William and Mary". There was no William and Mary Cornell in Cheveley.

Benjamin, baptized 30 May 1773. Private baptism.



John Cornell married Lucy Tailor in Cheveley on 22 January 1798. So far I have only got two children for them - Sarah, baptized in Exning on 11 November 1804 (who married Ambrose Frost, from whom I have a documented line of descent down to myself) and George (discussed at length above). I'm sure there were probably others.



I've not yet traced all the burials ... but that, to me, is looking like a pretty coherent story.

Does it look right to you, or do you have an industrial size spanner waiting to be pitched into my works??

Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 20 January 15 13:46 GMT (UK)
I clearly have a lot more work to do on my Cornwells. There is undoubetedly a connection between Bottisham and Dullingham by the look of things. Much more grist to the mill. You may be aware that if you have connections to Bottisham then you are related to jack Cornwell VC.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Tuesday 20 January 15 20:27 GMT (UK)
Roger -

No, I wasn't aware of that. Do pray tell me a bit about him ... although it looks as if any connection between my Dullingham line and your Bottisham line may be before the beginning of the parish registers (unless, that is, your Bottisham line was started by one of the many siblings I have noted along the way in my Dullingham line ... )

Incidentally, Job Cornell's mother remarried when he was 8, brining a whole load of step-siblings into the picture as well!!

Can't find any burial for either job or Barbara!!
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Redroger on Wednesday 21 January 15 17:31 GMT (UK)
There is stacks of information about Jack Cornwell VC all over the net. Just Google Jack Cornwell VC and over 140,000 entries in total will come up, though many of them are repetitive. One of my correspondents told me that the Cornell and Cornwell names came about because of a connection to Oliver Cromwell and the alterations were made because to be called Cromwell was not a safe name to have at the Restoration of the monarchy. One thing that does fit with this theory is the fundamentalist nature of the Baptist group to which many of the Ayres' and Cornwell belonged at Bottisham/Lode. Have you heard of this possible connection before?
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Redroger on Wednesday 21 January 15 17:38 GMT (UK)
Very briefly Jack Cornwell enlisted as a Boy in the Royal Navy, early in 1916. He was a gunlayer on HMS Chester at the Battle of Jutland on 29th May 1916. A shell penetrated the turret and he was mortally wounded, but stayed at his post until the end of the battle. He was taken to Grimsby (Lincs) where he died in hospital on 2nd June from his wounds. He was then shipped back to London where his mother lived and buried in the local cemetary. After a campaign by the Daily Sketch his mother was Badgered by the War Office into allowing her son's body to be exhumed pending a state funeral on 29th July. There are several pictures of the cortege posted. Apparently this was done by HM Government in an attempt to boost morale, but when i was a boy my late grandmother who was very close to Jack's mother told me that she had been absolutely bullied into the state funeral. As i say there is a lot of information on the net.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Wednesday 21 January 15 21:47 GMT (UK)
Ah ... I knew the story, but not the name attached to it.

Wow.

As for the name being changed from Cromwell to Cornell, well, some may have done it ... but my Cornell chain in Dullingham seems to link up all the way back into the 16th century, so isn't looking like a Cromwell line by any other name.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Redroger on Thursday 22 January 15 13:15 GMT (UK)
No; personally I think it very unlikely to have happened.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Peter Cornwell on Saturday 07 March 15 10:00 GMT (UK)
I regret that I have only just stumbled onto this thread not normally checking the Suffolk board being preoccupied with my Cambridgeshire CORNWELL ancestors. However, around Newmarket the picture often gets clouded so some interlopers from across county boundaries do turn up on my system. This includes Sarah CORNWELL born c1797 at Rougham, Suffolk.

For what it is worth, I have her living with her widower son Robert near Lee Well, Newmarket, in 1871 and still there in Newmarket in 1881. My belief is that she was the widow of Benjamin CORNELL whose family can be found living at The Rookery, Newmarket St Mary’s, in 1841. The Sarah CORNWELL aged 78 living in Mill Road, Bottisham, was the widow of John Day CORNWELL (my GGG-Uncle) and she died there on 7 Feb 1881.

As for John & Sarah CORNELL living at Swaffham Bulbeck in 1851 I have them living there in 1841 which does not preclude any connection with the Newmarket marriage of Sarah SHIPP Q2 1848 but casts some doubt on the matter. John S CORNWELL was buried at Swaffham Bulbeck on 25 Jan 1856 with declared age of 84.

All offered in the spirit of co-operation rather than implied critique.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Redroger on Sunday 08 March 15 18:16 GMT (UK)
Thank you Peter. It gets a littler close, though Newmarket is in Suffolk the REgistrations for Bottisham etc were in the Newmarket district. I am firmly of the opinion it is one large extended family crossing county boundaries. I will look at the detail shortly.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Peter Cornwell on Monday 09 March 15 07:42 GMT (UK)
Newmarket All Saints parish was Cambridgeshire until 1889 while its St Mary's parish has always been Suffolk - as was Exning or 'Oldmarket' if you prefer. Landwade was similarly transferred to Suffolk in 1994. With total disregard for such administrative niceties, our forbears cheerfully frolicked & gambolled, hither & thither, ignoring county boundaries & often making their subsequent movements difficult to unravel with total certainty. All part of the challenge.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 10 March 15 20:45 GMT (UK)
Definitely; it seems to be the norm for my ancestors to be split between two counties on both sides. Very good for the travel industry!
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Friday 20 March 15 22:52 GMT (UK)
I regret that I have only just stumbled onto this thread not normally checking the Suffolk board being preoccupied with my Cambridgeshire CORNWELL ancestors. However, around Newmarket the picture often gets clouded so some interlopers from across county boundaries do turn up on my system. This includes Sarah CORNWELL born c1797 at Rougham, Suffolk.

Peter -

Thank you. This one has already been suggested as a possible alternative identity for my great x3 grandmother Sarah Frost (nee Cornwell) who married Ambrose Frost in Exning on 8 May 1828. I have considered it, and rejected it for the following reasons.

We see Ambrose and Sarah Frost in the 1841 census living in Exning at HO107 Piece 1027 Folio 25 page 16.

We do not see them in the 1851 Census because Piece 1763 is missing.

In the 1861 Census they are in Swan Street, Exning (RG9 Piece 1032 Folio 69 page 10) and Sarah is said to be 56 years old, and to have been born in Exning.

In the 1871 Census Sarah, now a Widow, is at the White Swan, Exning (RG10 Piece 1596 Folio 19 page 13). She is now said to be 64 years old, and again is said to have been born in Exning.

She died in 1875 (registered Cambridgeshire, Newmarket 1875 Q2 volume 3B page 354) at which time she was said to be 72 years old.

So that's three pieces of evidence in which an age is asserted which is considerably more consistent with hers having been the 1804 Exning baptism rather than the 1797 Rougham baptism; and two pieces of evidence which identify her birth place as Exning not Rougham. She was also married in Exning, not Rougham.

Taken in the round, therefore, whilst I do not rule out absolutely the possibility that she was from the Rougham line, I think it considerably more likely that she was born and baptized in Exning, where she lived her whole life.

Further proof might be available from wills or from her parents' death registrations if she was the informant for one or other or both. I am in fact quite hopeful that either she or Ambrose might have been the informant for her father's death, which would put the matter beyond doubt.

The parents of the Sarah Cornell baptized in Exning in 1804 were John and Lucy.

Ambrose and Sarah Frost's first child was a son whom they named John Cornwell Frost (strongly suggesting that Sarah's father was called John Cornwell) and their first daughter (who was their third child, and my great great grandmother) was named Lucy Frost. This may just be coincidence, of course ... but equally, it may be significant.

Lucy Cornell died in 1848 (registered Cambridgeshire, Newmarket 1848 Q1 volume 14 page 18). I haven't obtained the death certificate yet. I suspect when I do the informant will probably be her husband John.

There are four possible John Cornell deaths: all registered Cambridgeshire, Newmarket (1855 Q2 volume 3B page 375), 1856 Q1 volume 3B page 325; 1859 Q4 volume 3B page 357; 1861 Q1 volume 3B page 359). Before I go investing in death certificates to see who the informants were, I'd like if I can to see whether any of the four can definitely be ruled in or out by their wills and probates or administrations. I have yet to look at the Suffolk wills for the first two (in 1855 and 1856) - indeed, not sure whether I should expect to find them in the St Edmundsbury & Ipswich diocesan records, or the Ely records. I have searched the Probate Calendars up to 1865 and not found anything for the 1859 and 1861 deaths.

I did, however, find one which might be of interest to anyone researching the parallel lines: John Cornwell of Bottisham Lode died 11 January 1864, and probate of his will was granted to his widow and relict Sarah Cornwell on 20 April 1864. Effects under £100.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Peter Cornwell on Monday 23 March 15 15:29 GMT (UK)
jbml,

Your research is both thorough & meticulous. A most compelling drop-line of your Exning forbears. My apologies if I set any hares running with Sarah CORNWELL born c1797 at Rougham who is clearly a complete red herring in this context.

As for possible deaths of John CORNELL I can offer the following:
1856 Q1 was John CORNELL born Carlton c1772 buried at Swaffham Bulbeck on 25 Jan 1856.   
1859 Q4 was John CORNELL born c1791 buried 21 Nov 1859 at Soham.
1861 Q1 was John CORNELL born c1860 buried at Soham on 30 Jan 1861.
I have no record of the 1855 Q2 death but the above will hopefully narrow your search a little.
And as previously mentioned, John Day CORNWELL who died 11 January 1864 was my GGG Uncle. It was on his death that White Fen at Bottisham Lode passed out of the family. 
 
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Tuesday 24 March 15 07:15 GMT (UK)
Peter -

Thank you. I try to be thorough ... but the only way to be thorough is to chase all hares. Deduction by exclusion is the name of the game in this business; so there's no need whatever to apologise for drawing attention to the Rougham Sarah.

As to her father, I have him down as John Cornell, son of William and Elisabeth (or more likely William and Mary ... the entry "Elisabeth" being a clerical error), who was baptized in Cheveley on 16 June 1771. He was orphaned by the time he was 4 and a half, and married Lucy Tailor (who was evidently already pregnant) in Cheveley on 22 January 1798.

Their first child, Thomas, was baptized at Newmarket St Mary on 4 June 1798, and the rest of their children were baptized in Exning: Elizabeth on 18 May 1800, William on 3 October 1802, my great x4 grandmother Sarah on 11 November 1804, and James on 8 November 1807.

In the 1841 census he appears as a 75 year old Farmer living in Exning (HO107 Piece 1027 Book 7, Folio 25 page 16). I don't know where Lucy is in the 1841 Census, but she should be there somewhere as she did not die until 1848.

I cannot find him in the 1851 census, but that is unsurprising given that piece 1763 is missing.

Your comments on the 1856, 1859 and 1861 deaths appear to rule those out as being him, which means it looks as though he should be the 1855 death.

I shall order that death certificate, and see what it has to say.

Many thanks for your notes, which have assisted considerably in narrowing the field.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Peter Cornwell on Friday 27 March 15 09:59 GMT (UK)
jbml

Pleased to have been of some small help. I have your GGGG Grandmother's line listed via Thomas the fishmonger who moved from Newmarket to Newtown, Cambridge, sometime between June 1841 & Oct 1850. However, I have not made the connection back to William CORNELL of Cheveley due, largely, to the burial there of John CORNELL (bap 16 Jun 1771) on 28 Jun 1771. Do let me know of any success you have with the 1855 Death Certificate.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Friday 27 March 15 21:50 GMT (UK)
Ah ... I missed that burial.

It does rather look like the end of the line, doesn't it?

Hmmmmmm ... time for another rethink, by the looks of it ...


Quite a hare to have missed, that one, in terms of wrong trees barked up! I've just had to scratch 60 names spread across 9 generations from the tree!  :o (Sure there'll be others to replace them, but even so ...)

Hosea Shelverdyne is no longer looking like an ancestor  >:(

But at least I get to keep Nebuchadnezzar Ashby, who is definitely an ancestor by another route ...  :) :)
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 28 March 15 11:18 GMT (UK)
 :) ;D ;D

Quote;
But at least I get to keep Nebuchadnezzar Ashby, who is definitely an ancestor by another route .
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Redroger on Monday 30 March 15 12:20 BST (UK)
:) ;D ;D

Quote;
But at least I get to keep Nebuchadnezzar Ashby, who is definitely an ancestor by another route .
Any known connection to Nebuchadnezzar Ayres who I believe was a railway worker at March?
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Tasman on Thursday 01 September 16 05:23 BST (UK)
Hi jbml,
I am responding to your post headed “Re: Sarah Cornwell Reply #18” posted on Sunday 18 January 2015.
It is unconfirmed but some of what you have posted may link to what I know of my ancestry. However, there appears to be a missing link of one generation. Specifically you posted the following:
“Job Cornall married Barbara Hills in Gazeley, Suffolk in 1665. They had 5 children:
William (baptized 11 February 1665/6)
Henry (baptized 25 July 1669)
Alice & Marie (baptized 2 January 1672/3)
Margaret (baptized 1 November 1674)”
Via my twice gr gr gr gr grandmother Lucy Cornell, who married John King, I am descended from a Cornell family long established in Gazeley. Gazeley is my grandfather’s hometown. I am hoping you may have the information that links my known ancestry to what you have posted and be willing and able to share it with me. I am also hoping you can clarify for me the source of your information and possibly advise me of where and how I can pursue further information (as my research needs appear to overlap with what you have already researched).
Lucy’s known Cornell ancestry in Gazeley is as follows:
John and Frances Cornell had a son Benjamin Cornell, christened 9 September 1697, Gazeley.
Benjamin Cornell, christened 9 September 1697, Gazeley, married Ann Titsall of Gazeley, born approx 1698, Gazeley. They had the following children: Ann Cornell, christened 8 January 1725, Gazeley; Benjamin Cornell, christened 28 November 1726, Gazeley; William Cornell, christened 9 January 1730, Gazeley; Frances Cornell, christened 13 April 1732, Gazeley; Sarah Cornell, christened 14 June 1734, Gazeley; Lydia Cornell, christened 22 October 1736, Gazeley; and George Cornell, christened 18 May 1739, Gazeley.
George Cornell, christened 18 May 1739, Gazeley, married 13 December 1764 in Gazeley to Sarah Ruffell, born approx 1743, Gazeley. They had the following children: Sally Cornell, christened 21 November 1765, Gazeley; William Cornell, christened 13 February 1767, Gazeley; Lucy Cornell, christened 23 June 1768, Gazeley; and Anne Cornell, christened 20 December 1770, Gazeley.
This information comes mostly from old searches on the International Genealogical Index cross-referenced with other records. Perhaps also worth a mention is that on my family tree there are multiple marriages between the Cornell, King, Halls and Ruffell families.
Is there a “missing link” between what I have told you and what you know? Is there anything else you can tell me?
I have not read all threads on this post yet.
I am grateful for your consideration and any advice or assistance you can provide.
Regards,
Tasman.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Redroger on Thursday 01 September 16 12:39 BST (UK)
Roger ... thanks.



John Cornell then married Joane Norman, in Bottisham on 22 June 1579, and they had a further 6 children, all baptized in Dullingham:

Prudence (baptized 15 February 1579/80 ... so they obviously hadn't been THAT prudent ...)













At last I have had chance to take something of a look  at your work. Seems OK so far as I can tell, but regards to the prudence of Prudence; I don't think she was born before the marriage. I think this is due to the recording of dates before the change of the calendar in 1752?. Prior to that the new year started in late March, and prior dates in the year would be recorded thus, so what we would record as February 1580 would then be recorded as 1579/80, cumbersome to say the least. I will get further into this as time and committments permit.
Roger
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Peter Cornwell on Saturday 03 September 16 12:45 BST (UK)
Tasman,

As previously posted, Job CORNELL who married Barbara HILLS at Gazeley in 1665 hailed from Dullingham in Cambridgeshire where his family can be traced back to Richard CORNELL yeoman of Dullingham Ley who died there in 1587. Job’s branch of the family adopted the form ‘CORNWELL’ for the baptism of all five children and remained around Dullingham in the south-east corner of Cambridgeshire bordering Suffolk with later generations of this line settling in Brinkley, Stetchworth, and also, I believe, Carlton-cum-Willingham. 

I haven’t fully researched the CORNELLs in Gazeley being outside my area of particular interest but I’m sure that jbml will have this well in hand.

Redroger,

I know of no evidence to suggest that Prudence CORNELL (bap 1579 Dullingham) was the offspring of John CORNELL who married Joan NORMAN at Bottisham on 22 June 1579. As far as I am currently aware, Prudence was the second of nine children to John CORNELL the elder, farmer of Dullingham, who died in 1616 & his wife Mary who died there in 1631. Prudence CORNELL married Robert LOVEDAY at Burrough Green on 29 June 1603.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Redroger on Sunday 04 September 16 17:15 BST (UK)
Thanks for the correction Peter.
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: Tasman on Saturday 10 September 16 12:52 BST (UK)
Thanks Redroger
Title: Re: Sarah Cornwell
Post by: jbml on Saturday 29 August 20 22:39 BST (UK)
Roger ... thanks.



John Cornell then married Joane Norman, in Bottisham on 22 June 1579, and they had a further 6 children, all baptized in Dullingham:

Prudence (baptized 15 February 1579/80 ... so they obviously hadn't been THAT prudent ...)













At last I have had chance to take something of a look  at your work. Seems OK so far as I can tell, but regards to the prudence of Prudence; I don't think she was born before the marriage. I think this is due to the recording of dates before the change of the calendar in 1752?. Prior to that the new year started in late March, and prior dates in the year would be recorded thus, so what we would record as February 1580 would then be recorded as 1579/80, cumbersome to say the least. I will get further into this as time and committments permit.
Roger

Indeed. Probably not born BEFORE the marriage ... but definitely baptised less than 8 months AFTER it!!! That was my point ...