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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: shoshannah on Saturday 27 December 14 17:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am trying to trace the ancestors and movements of a Thomas Gormley.
I believe he was born in County Mayo sometime between 1899-1905. He died in England (probably Westminster 1952-awaiting arrival of certificate) between 1950-1954 and travelled regularly to the Cambridge area. He was a lorry driver and served in the RAF prior to this.
Other than the death certificate which I have not yet recieved I am struggling to find any proof or facts to link him to parents or siblings. I don't know when he came to England. There are Westminster electoral records that have a Thomas Gormley living with an Alice and Ethel Gormey between 1947 and 1952 however I cannot find and birth or marriage records to find out if either of these are wives, children or siblings or if this is the Thomas I want to find.
If anyone would be able to help, I'd be very grateful! I have no knowledge of how to search Irish records yet so advice on this would be wonderful.
Thanks in advance,
Shosh
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Hi
What is your connection to him? Are you related to one of his siblings?
Where did the following info come from?
and travelled regularly to the Cambridge area. He was a lorry driver and served in the RAF prior to this.
I believe he was born in County Mayo sometime between 1899-1905
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Hi Carole,
I have been asked to do the tree by a relative. This info is what has been handed down through the years. Of course this means it might not be that accurate hence why I am trying to find records to back it up.
Shosh
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No problem. How is the person you are doing the tree for related to Thomas
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Hopefully I will be able to determine the relationship in the near future Carole! Do you have any information you can share?
Shosh
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Different spelling but seems to be the only one in Mayo
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Ardlee/Ballynamona/738571/
Sorry there are also these
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=true&census_year=1911&surname=gormally&firstname=thomas&county19011911=Mayo&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=&houseNumber=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
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Thankyou for your help Dathai.
Is there anyway to find out when he came to England?
Shosh
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No records are kept of people travelling between Ireland and England, Wales & Scotland.
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Hi, I know this is an old thread but if you are still researching, I can confirm that Ethel Gormley was the daughter of Thomas and Alice Gormley, and that they lived in Westminster during the period mentioned. Thomas died in 1952. He was my grandfather.
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Hi Mosemol,
I am devastated that I have only just now seen your reply about Thomas Gormley. Please, please get in touch, I am unable to send you a PM! If anyone else has any further information, please do contact me!
Shosh
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Hi Shosh
I'm not sure you have the right Thomas Gormley. I've always understood that my grandfather came from Dublin. The census shows a Thomas Gormley living at different addresses in Dublin in 1901 and 1911, and assuming the census age is right, he was born in 1896, which fits. The census also shows his parents being Jane and John Gormley, which just happen to be the christian names of myself and my brother. I don't think that's a coincidence but wasn't aware of the link before today! My mother was Ethel Gormley, and she was born to Thomas And Alice in 1923 in Dublin. I believe the family moved to England around 1930/31 and there were two further children, Arthur and Beryl, both born in England. I think the family lived in Suffolk before London. I never heard of any connection to lorry driving, Cambridge, or the RAF. Thomas died in 1952 in Westminster. Alice died between 1960/2 in Crawley, West Sussex. Arthur died in 1963/4, Ethel in 1997 and Beryl in 2011. My Father may have known more about his in-laws, but unfortunately he passed in 1998, so there is no-one left to ask. I don't know if any of this background helps, but would be interested in hearing about any other info you have on my Grandfather. Best rgds Jane
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Was Alice Brennan Thomas' wife.
There is a marriage in Dublin of a Thomas Gormley, clerk to Alice Brennan 1920, his father is John a trainer. Her father Michael, think he is a Printer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09270/5356109.pdf
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Thomas 1901 ? age 5
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Baileys_Row/1322670/
father John could be a Grocer/Driver on marriage cert of Thomas
John's marriage 26th Nov 1894 to Jane Hawkins
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633720#page/65/mode/1up
John born 1873 ? Bohilla,Delgany
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kfd/
marriage
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGHT-KM3
Alice Brennan 1911 1 Cathedral St age 24
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Cathedral_Street/28558/
however she appears to be born 1884 to John Brennan and Mary Anne Kavanagh
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.marys_pro-cathedral_mf_1880-1889_ba_0477
while there is Alice born 1894 to Michael Brennan a Compositer/Printer and Alice Finn
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02262/1850283.pdf
Alice 1901 ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Nth_Summer_Street/1326198/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Drumcondra_Rural/Artaine_North/12264/
Thomas Waters and Mary Brennan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10692/5896969.pdf
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Michael Brennan ,Compositer,married died 1896
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05883/4668797.pdf
Michael died at 92 Amiens Street which was his parents address in 1901
his married brother James also lived in the next door tenement
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Amiens_Street/1274154/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10346/5766257.pdf
Alice ?1898 marital status unknown
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05841/4654389.pdf
Michael 1896 Alice 1898 and the father John Brennan 1905 are all buried Glasnevin
also John 1902 a son of James is buried there though his death does not seem to be registered
http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
birth 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01966/1758122.pdf
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I think i see the connection to 1 Cathedral St now
Alice Brennan at that address is Alices Aunt her mother Mary Anne Kavanagh/Brennan would be Alice's grandmother
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/North_Dock/Amiens_Street/1274155/
Mary Brennan/Waters marriage giving both her parents names
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0250
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kff/
parents marriage 1867
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG8H-VTJ
number 232 here
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633779#page/138/mode/1up
John Cavanagh 1 Elephant Lane,Housesmith.(metal construction worker)
http://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/485.php
6 Sycamore Alley,Tenements
http://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/1330.php
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Oh I see what you mean now, the way that person writes their G, it could be Grocer not Trainer.
You do realise Alice Brennan may not be Mosemol's grandmother, I just picked that couple because of the timing.
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was Ethel's birth registered later than when she was born ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1CC-2TP
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Gormley's 1911 father John absent
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Glasnevin_Rural/Violethill_Little/8672/
Christina married a Free State soldier Michael O'Rourke in 1927 note her address 13 Henrietta Street same as Thomas on his marriage cert,one of the witnesses was Nellie(Ellen)Gormley
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1927/09095/5289828.pdf
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Thomas Gormley distinguished conduct medal for Gallantry WW1
lived at 13 Henrietta Street
picture included
https://dublintenementexperience.wordpress.com/2013/08/23/conor-dodd-on-henrietta-street-men-in-wwi/
Thomas was born August 2nd 1895 at Maitland St ,Bray,Co Dublin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02207/1833563.pdf
baptism number 821 here
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633721#page/56/mode/1up
there seems a few choices for a service record
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kfo/
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T Gormley Corporal 21233 Royal Dublin Fusileers was awarded the D C M on 5/12/1918
http://royaldublinfusiliers.com/medals/gallantry/distinguished-conduct-medal/
also on Silver War Badge list
http://royaldublinfusiliers.com/medals/first-world-war/silver-war-badge/
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Hi,
I am so sorry I have not seen any of the replies to this thread until now when I have started looking into it again. Thank you for all your input.
Sadly I am fairly sure that Mosemol’s Thomas is not the same Thomas Gormley as I am looking for.
If anyone has any further input it would be appreciated. I will now go and work out how to turn the notifications on...!
Shosh
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There are 4 birth certs for Thomas Gormley from 1899 to 1905 none of them are in a Mayo registration district.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
Even if they were from Mayo how would you know it was the correct Thomas.
If there is no other family information known, what about his lorry, any idea who he drove for?
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Hi again,
I have recently come across some electoral records that show Thomas Gormley living in Cambridge at various addresses between 1947 and 1953 with a Betty Winter/ Gormley who is my
relative. I assume this means he was established in the area and that this was his primary residence?
Any idea where I can go from here? I am hoping to get in touch with living family of his.
Many thanks
Shosh