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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Jang on Thursday 01 January 15 08:18 GMT (UK)
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Is there SKS who's going to New Register House who could look up the birth of George Taylor ca 1923 in Glasgow. He was aged 21 when he was killed in action on 15 May 1944 in Italy. He was the son of Edward TAYLOR and Margaret Bennie COULSON. There are too many to look up on Scotlandspeople without knowing the exact date or parents' names.
I'm particularly interested in the marriage date/place for his parents.
Many thanks for any help :-)
Jan
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Hi Jan there is a tree that has his mother Margaret Bennie Coulson b 1892 Carlton Glasgow father Thomas Tweedle Coulson Mother Jane Hunter Bennie along with photos
Here is the family in the 1901 census living Henrietta Place Renfrew
Thomas Coulson b 1851 England age 50 Engineer Turner
Jane Coulson b 1857 Lanarkshire age 44
Mary Coulson b 1882 Glasgow age 19
Elizabeth b 1884 Glasgow age 17
George b 1886 Glasgow age 15
William b 1894 Glasgow age 7
Margaret b 1892 Glasgow age9
Edith b 1895 age 6
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Marriage for Thomas Tweedle Coulson 30/12 1881 Bridgeton Glasgow to Jane Hunter Bennie
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Jan, I think you have an old post here http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=18946&p=surnames.taylor
You mention on that that George likely born in Newcastle? Did you follow up on that?
1st Qrt 1924 George Taylor/Coulson 10b/287 www.freebmd.org.uk
Monica :)
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Thanks, Rosie, yes that's my family - Elizabeth was my grandmother.
Monica, I didn't follow up on the Newcastle birth as I found his war record which stated he was born in Glasgow.
Name: George Taylor
Given Initials: G C
Rank: Trooper
Death Date: 15 May 1944
Number: 7949713
Birth Place: Glasgow
Residence: Glasgow
Branch at Enlistment: Royal Armoured Corps
Theatre of War: Italy
Regiment at Death: 17th/21st Lancers RAC
Branch at Death: Royal Armoured Corps
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Name: TAYLOR, GEORGE COULSON
Initials: G C
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Trooper
Regiment/Service: Royal Armoured Corps
Unit Text: 17th/21st Lancers
Age: 21
Date of Death: 15/05/1944
Service No: 7949713
Additional information: Husband of Margaret Bennie Taylor, of Glasgow.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Joint grave XII. H. 7.
Cemetery: CASSINO WAR CEMETERY
BTW listing him as the husband, not the son, of Margaret Bennie Taylor, is an error.
I've been trying for years to find his parents' marriage and was hoping that George's birth entry would give me the date and place. They also had a son, Edward (D or V?) Taylor who was the informant on his uncle's death in 1947, but looking for his birth without a date is almost impossible. There's a likely one in 1918 in Dennistoun which is where the Coulson family lived, but it's not online.
Jan
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Jan, as you know for sure, this is such a hard time to search for online with so many restrictions.
Just one thing you might want to do. SP have an offer letting you view for free the Valuation Roll index results page when you do a search online on the site. You then have to pay 2 units to view the actual image of the VR page, if you want to do this for a specific entry.
You might want to have a look for family up to 1925. If you, I would also keep a copy separately of the index results pages you have viewed. One day soon you may be able to connect things to addresses and having these later valuation roll names/addresses might help.
Just for background, in case most of the family as you say living around the Dennistoun area, this is a good overview of street names which might help with the VR (to check whether a spefic address fell in to the Dennistoun area). Just a guide really, not a precise science!
Monica :)
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Like you Monica I wondered about the birth for George Coulson in England 1924 could not seem to find a match for a marriage for he parents on Scotlands People :( :(
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Can't see a Scottish marriage either, Rosie. Understand Jan why you are hunting down the children's (hopefully Scottish!) birth certs ;)
Monica
Added: Was there an address included for informant Edward Taylor to his Uncle George's 1947 death?
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Monica, thanks for the suggestion about the valuation rolls. My ggrandparents were still living at 20 Broompark Rd Dennistoun, which is where Margaret had been living before she died in hospital in 1944.
Then I found something interesting:
1920 VR
Edward Taylor 204 Govanhiill St Govan
1925 VR
Mrs Margaret Taylor 28 Govanhill St Govan
The houses are a fair way apart but it raises the possibility that perhaps Edward senior died sometime in that five year period. I checked SP but nothing matches up. Edward was a master mariner, according to Margaret's death cert, so perhaps he died at sea.
Unfortunately there was no address for Edward (the son) on Uncle George's death cert, just "nephew". I wondered why he wasn't the informant on his mother's death, then realised he was probably away fighting in the war.
Jan
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We need later Valuation Rolls don't we to search for Margaret - not online yet :-\
Other ideas...how about PO Directories? The Glasgow ones are great. The 1927 one here http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glasgow/index-glas.htm As you can see, you can search by either name or address.
Let me go and find the link for the later Glasgow directories that take you up to the 1930s...be back!
Meant to also ask earlier...have you found Margaret on the 1911 census?
Monica
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archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Ascottishdirectories&sort=-publicdate&page=4
They are all mixed up in order for the counties/areas. Think the Glasgow ones start from pg 4 2 (but they jump about by years).
I normally click on the link on the left 'Read Online', then use the scroller at the bottom of the page to fly up and down!
Monica
Added: Link above not working as a hyper link. Just copy and paste to your URL bar and it will come up correctly
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Thanks for the links to the PO directories - very easy to use. I haven't found any Taylor or Coulson family members ... yet. I will spend hours browsing though :-)
Margaret is living at home with her family in 1911. She is 19, single, a clerkess. So her marriage must be between 1911 and 1923 ... although I'm beginning to suspect there may not have been one.
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I think I found George's birth - as a Coulson. There's a George Coulson, born 1922 in Dennistoun Glasgow. It's got to be him :-)
So now I need a lookup for the birth of George COULSON, born 1922 Dennistoun Glasgow. It would be interesting to see if a father is listed.
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There was always the possibility that there had been no formal marriage....given none could be found! Would be so interesting to see what shows on that possible birth entry for the George Coulson you have found. There will be no father's name mentioned though, if he did not attend the registration. If he had, you would think the registration would include both surnames of Coulson and Taylor. If this is an illegitimate birth, with mother as a Coulson, and correct entry for Margaret, do not think there will be any reference to father :-\
You also had a possible 1918 birth entry in Dennistoun for an Edward Taylor, earmarked as possible nephew who reported Uncle George Coulson's death in 1947.
Monica
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So George Coulson's birth won't help me find the elusive "Edward Taylor". Hmm ...
So I need the birth for Edward Taylor, son of Margaret Bennie and Edward Taylor. I don't think the 1918 one is correct, else why would George be registered as a Coulson in 1925.
I did find an Edward Taylor born 1925 in Govan, which is interesting seeing as I found a Mrs Margaret Taylor at 28 Govanhill St Govan in the 1925 VR. Could be a completely different family I guess.
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No, not the one born 1925 Govan. His mother was Margaret Bilsland.
Other possibilities are:
1926 born Plantation
1927 born Anderston
1936 born Provan
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1936 will be too late/young to be informant to Uncle George's death in 1947 :-\
We might be also looking for a Coulson, Edward birth perhaps rather than Taylor...
Can't tell can we at this time.
Monica
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I checked for an Edward Coulson birth on SP - only 1 between 1905 and 1935 - 1919 in Edinburgh, so it's unlikely to be the right one.
Guess I'm going to have to wait a few years for the records to come online :-(
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Jan, such a hard search for you as it is really one where you need to look at too recent certs not available on line :-\
Monica
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So true - that's why I was hoping someone who was going to New Register House would check the births for me :-)
Jan
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Doesn't have to be done at New Register House. These records are accessible for one search payment at most Registry offices in Scotland.
Imber
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Thanks, imber, I didn't know that. Unfortunately I'm in Australia. I know you can do unlimited searches at NRH for a flat fee - I was there in 2004 - and was hoping someone would have the time to check the births for me. :-)
Jan
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Jan you could also ask for a look up request if any one is going to the Mitchell Library as they have a search room for Scotlands People :)
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Thanks, Rosie, that's handy to know. :-)