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Hello
The Australian branch of the Haines family lived in Ballarat from @1865 to the present day. Can you assist me if any are buried in the Cemetery and if there are details?
Here are some names:
George Haines (possibly bur at Caringham)
Rebecca Ellen
Susannah
Frederick George
Alice
Harry
Mary Ann
Edwin Walter
Christopher Hurst
William Christopher
Mark Raymond
Ellen and John Edward Williamson
Lucy Gough and Samuel Edward Morgan
Kate Elizabeth and Philip Ofas
I think there must be many others, unless they are bur at Wonthaggi or thereabouts
I'm not very knowledgeable about Australia, so apologies for any confusion
Thanks Jane (England)
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Looking on Ryerson Index ( www.ryersonindex.org ) for HAINES in Victoria 1865-1965, gives only 5 notices covering 3 people.
(I didn't try the alternative spelling of HAYNES)
JUst under the Green Search Ryerson button is now a brown button for AustCemIndex.
Click on that and put Ballaratt in the cemetery slot with no other names and you'll see that there are quite a few cemeteries at Ballaratt. I tried the first one, and Ballarat Old, no luck.
I think this index is only of monumental inscriptions so if they don't have a tombstone then it won't be on that.
If you go to http://ballaratcemeteries.com.au/php/results.php you'll find a few HAINES listed.
Or you might have to go to http://ballaratcemeteries.com.au and fill in the slots yourself to get to that page.
Dawn M
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It should be Carngham not Carningham. If George HAINES is buried in that cemetery he does not have a headstone.
http://www.australiancemeteries.com/vic/pyrenees/carnghamdata.htm
Have a search here for Ballarat Old and New Cemeteries and Crematorium.
http://ballaratcemeteries.com.au/php/search.php
I have found the following on my resource.
Ballarat New Cemetery
HAINES Alice 2 hours 15 Oct 1887 Armstrong Street, Ballarat New Cemetery Church of England C 4.2
HAINES Edwin 47 years 22 Nov 1895 Doveton Street, Ballarat Slaughterman Church of England C 4.2
HAINES George 73 years 15 Jun 1905 Burbank Street, Ballarat Old Age Pensioner Church of England 9.25
HAINES Rebecca Ellen 54 years 15 Jan 1885 Wills Street, Ballarat Independent A 6.17
Ballarat Old Cemetery
HAINES Harry 4 months 20 Dec 1861 Specimen Hill, Ballarat Location Unknown
There are other HAINES at Ballarat Cemeteries however little more detail eg year and place of death will enable us to help you further.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Hi
Can you help us with any of these Haines below. There are many further generations living in the Ballarat area, Wonthaggi etc upto the present day. I believe Christopher William d 10/4/2014 in Wontahggi, and there is a write up in the local press, though I'm not sure how to access this
We have been trying to trace as many of our Haines families Australian Branch as possible, since George took his wife Rebecca Ellen and 5? children from England to Australia in the 1860's - cannot find a passenger record for their emigration...we haven't found it in the Assisted/Unassisted passenger lists on the wbe sites recommended in
George and Rebecca with children Frederick George, Ellen, Lucy Gough, Harry (Henry) and Kate Elizabeth set up home in the Ballarat area of Victoria and Rebecca had 2 further children - Edwin Walter and Christopher Hurst Haines in 1870 and 1871
There appears to be a gap of 10 years between Kate Elizabeth b Dec qtr 1859 Isle of Wight, England and Edwin b @1870 Ballarat, Australia. I think George also remarried in 1887 in Ballarat to a Susannah Carman after his first wife's death in 1885, though we cannot be sure
This is what we have of the first Generation:
George Haines (86)
Family emigrated to Ballarat, Australia during 1860s
Railway Clerk in England then Hawker/Peddler in Australia
Kirdford, Sussex (bap 6/11/1821 - 2/2/1908) Australia
(d at Warrenheih St, Buninyong, Victoria, Australia)
(bur 23/2/1908 at Caringham Cemetery)
m (1) 8/81851 at Christ Church, Bristol, Glos
Rebecca Ellen Gutteridge (54)
Exeter, Devon OR Camarthen, Wales (@1831 - 14/1/1885) Australia
(d in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia)
(bur at Ballarat Cemetery, Victoria)
(dau of Joseph & Susan Snow)
he m (2) ? 1887 in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Susannah Carman (?)
(? - ?)
(dau of ?
(children ?)
& their children who emigrated with them:
David Haines (?)
Bristol (1851 - ?)
m?
(he may not be their child)
Rebecca Frances Haines
Exeter (1852 - 1852) Exeter
Frederick George Haines (71)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
?
Exeter (bap 22/8/1853 - 7/3/1925) ?
m 1874 Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Alice Booth (?)
(? - ?)
(dau of
Ellen Haines (?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
Portsmouth, Hants (1855 - ?)
Domestic Servant in 1874
m 30/12/1874 at Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
John Edward Williamson (48/49)
Miner then Gardener
Geelong, Australia (1845 - 9/2/1894) Lexton, Australia
(d from pneumonia)
(bur 11/2/1894 Lexton Cemetery, Victoria, Australia)
(son of George & Frances ?)
(7 children all d young)
Lucy Gough Haines (77?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
Portsea, Isle of Wight, Hants (1857 - 26/11/1934) Ipswich,
Moreton, Queensland, Australia
m 1880 Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Samuel John Morgan (?)
Engineer
Ballarat, Victoria (1856? - 1939?) Queensland, Australia
(son of Millard & Ellen Perry?)
(5 children)
Lucy Haines & Samuel Morgan photographed in 1878 before m
Harry (Henry) Haines (?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
?
Portsea, Isle of Wight, Hants (1859 - ?)
m 1883 Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Mary Ann McKee/McKey/McQuie (?)
(? - ?)
(dau of ?
Kate Elizabeth Haines (?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
Portsea, Isle of Wight, Hants (1859 - ?)
m?
Philip Ofas (?)
?
(? - ?)
(son of ?
(6 children)
William Thomas Haines (?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
(? - ?)
m?
(does this child exist?)
No more is known about the above children, other than that shown. I believe George & Rebecca had 2 more children in Australia as below:
10 year gap 1859-1870
Edwin Walter Haines
Born & died in Australia
Ballarat E, Victoria (@1870 - 1870) Australia
Christopher Hurst ‘Hirsty’ Haines (70)
Born & lived in Australia
Foreman in the State Coalmine, Wonthaggi, Victoria
(opened in 1910, closed in 1968 - now a tourist attraction)
Ballarat E, Victoria (25/1/1871 - 12/2/1941?) Waggi, Inverloch, Victoria
m 1894 in Victoria, Australia
Mary Martha ‘Minnie’ Croy (65/66)
Scarsdale, Victoria, (7/6/1873 - 14/10/1939) ?
(dau of Peter & Elizabeth A Nicholson -
both b in Great Britain)
We would be grateful for any further info, if possible. There are @25 further Haines in the second Generation and more still after that. We do know that there are still members of the family living in Wonthaggi 150 years on, one of whom died in 2014. I did contact someone (not a Haines) in the town via a web site called, I thimk,Wonthaggi Genealogy Inc. However despite an initial positive response, nothing ever came of our enquiry and so no additional info
Thanks in anticipation
Jane (from England)
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Relevant information.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=666750.msg5522129#msg5522129
Cando
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George Haines (86)
Family emigrated to Ballarat, Australia during 1860s
Railway Clerk in England then Hawker/Peddler in Australia
Kirdford, Sussex (bap 6/11/1821 - 2/2/1908) Australia
(d at Warrenheih St, Buninyong, Victoria, Australia)
(bur 23/2/1908 at Caringham Cemetery)
Not according to this info...
HAINES George.
Death 24 Feb 1908 [May be date of burial]
Age 87
Cemetery Buninyong cemetery
Source Buninyong cemetery headstones and registers 23/2/1845 - 30/9/1981.
Author/compiler: Genealogical Society of Victoria, Ballarat Group.
Comment Ref type: b [burial from register?]
Note spelling...Warrenheip and Carngham.
Interesting page
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~buninhis/cemetery.htm
His death certificate would give you the place of his burial.
HAINES George
Father George Mother Frances Elizabeth HURST
At Bunningyong 87 years 1908 Reg#829
You can purchase an image of the certificate for AUD$21 and immediately download to your computer.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Excellent information on Victorian death certificates if known to the informant.
Date and place of death;
name and surname;
occupation of the deceased;
sex and age;
cause of death,
duration of illness,
medical attendant by whom certified and when he last saw deceased;
name and surname of parents (if known) including mother's maiden surname,signature, description and address of the person who gave the information; signature of deputy registrar, date and where registered,
when and where buried,
undertaker whom certified;
name and religion of Minister, or names of witnesses of burial;
place of birth of the deceased and how long he or she resided in the Australian colonies or states (stating which),
name of spouse,
place of marriage,
age at marriage;
names and ages of children of the deceased.
Cando
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Similar request with replies here
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Cando
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Hi Jane, I will see what I can find for the Ballarat area folk, but Wonthaggi is a long way from here so I cant help with them. It may take a little time as I am back at work on Monday and we are having extremely hot weather at the moment, but I will keep you posted.
Julie
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I have asked a moderator to move the request to the main board and hopefully merge the two requests to save duplicate searching.
Cando
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m (1) 8/81851 at Christ Church, Bristol, Glos
Rebecca Ellen Gutteridge (54)
Exeter, Devon OR Camarthen, Wales (@1831 - 14/1/1885) Australia
(d in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia)
(bur at Ballarat Cemetery, Victoria)
(dau of Joseph & Susan Snow)
Death
HAINES Rebecca Ellen
Father Joseph GUTHRIDGE Mother Susan SNOW
At Ballarat East 54 years 1885 Reg#259
Interred at Ballarat New Cemetery
HAINES Rebecca Ellen 54 years 15 Jan 1885 Wills Street, Ballarat Ind A 6.17
and at the same location
HAINES Ernest George 3 years 1 Sep 1882 Lyons Street, Ballarat Ind A 6.17
HAINES Frederick Paul 3 years 5 Jun 1885 Wills Street, Ballarat Ind A 6.17
Deaths
HAINES Ernest George
Father Frederick George Mother Alice BOOTH
At Ballarat 3 years 1882 Reg#7712
HAINES Frederick Paul
Father Frederick George Mother Alice BOOTH
At Ballarat East 3 years 1885 Reg#4127
Cando
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he m (2) ? 1887 in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Susannah Carman (?)
(? - ?)
(dau of ?
(children ?)
Marriage
HAINES George Born Sussex
CARMAN Susannah Born London
1887 Reg#1578
Death
HAINES Susannah
Father William HEWSTONE Mother Sarah STUDD
At Bunningyong 79 years 1909 Reg#698
On the 1851 living with a widowed father William, 50 years, toy maker, is a Susan HEWSTONE 22 years born St Lukes, Middlesex.
Marriage in Victoria
CARMAN Simon
HEWSTONE Susannah
1857 Reg#1382
HAINES Susannah 80 years
Death 4 Jan 1909 [Possibly date of burial]
Source Buninyong cemetery headstones and registers 23/2/1845 - 30/9/1981.
Author/compiler Genealogical Society of Victoria, Ballarat Group.
Comment Ref type: b [burial from register?]
Cando
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Frederick George Haines (71)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
?
Exeter (bap 22/8/1853 - 7/3/1925) ?
m 1874 Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Alice Booth (?)
(? - ?)
(dau of
Marriage
HAINES Frederick George Born Exeter
BOOTH Alice Born Ballarat
1874 Reg#4590
Births
HAINES Edith
Father Frederick Mother Alice BOOTH
At Ballarat 1877 Reg#515
HAINES Ernest George
Father Frederick George Mother Alice BOOTH
At Ballarat 1879 Reg#13626
HAINES Rebecca Alice
Father Frederick George Mother Alice BOOTH
At Ballarat 1884 Reg#22198
HAINES Lawrence George Epthorp
Father Frederick George Mother Alice BOOTH
At Ballarat 1886 Reg#23759
HAINES Bertha Louisa
Father Frederick George Mother Alice BOOTH
At Ballarat East 1888 Reg#17543
HAINES Frederick 39 years Married Born Sussex Labourer
Hospital record
14 May 1888
Place - Victoria Street
How long in colony 18 years Religion Church of England
Source Ballarat Base Hospital, Victoria:admissions register 1856-1913.
Name of Recommender or remarks - Resident Surgeon
Birth
BOOTH Alice
Father William Mother Mary Ann EPTHORP
At Ballarat 1856 Reg#12513
Possible death for Alice in NSW
18648/1921
HAINES Alice
Father William Mother Mary A
District St Leonards
and Frederick George....there are errors on the indexes.
4211/1925
HAINES Frederick C
Father George Mother GUTTERIDGE
District West Maitland
Burial record for Frederick George HAINES
http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=1375712
and their son
3136/1963
HAINES Lawrence George E
Father Frederick Paul Mother Alice
District Ashfield
Cando
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Ellen Haines (?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
Portsmouth, Hants (1855 - ?)
Domestic Servant in 1874
m 30/12/1874 at Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
John Edward Williamson (48/49)
Miner then Gardener
Geelong, Australia (1845 - 9/2/1894) Lexton, Australia
(d from pneumonia)
(bur 11/2/1894 Lexton Cemetery, Victoria, Australia)
(son of George & Frances ?)
(7 children all d young)
Not all the children died young.
No WILLIAMSON headstones in the Lexton Cemetery.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausvsac/Lexton.htm
Marriage
HAINES Ellen Born Portsmouth
WILLIAMSON John Edward Born Geelong
1874 Reg#3687
Birth
WILLIAMSON Rebecca Jane 1875 At Gordon Reg#23226
Death
WILLIAMSON Rebecca Jane 1878 2 years Born Gordon Reg#2260
Birth
WILLIAMSON Matilda Eliza 1877 At Ballarat Reg#20023
Marriage in Victoria
WILLIAMSON Matilda Eliza Born Ballarat
BARNES William Edward Born Victoria
1900 Reg#2128
Death in NSW
9853/1949 BARNES Matilda Eliza Father John Edward Mother Ellen. District Ryde.
Birth
WILLIAMSON Gertrude Ellen Isabella 1879 At Lexton Reg#17425
Death
WILLIAMSON Gertrude Isabella 1880 6 months Birth place unknown Reg#202
Birth
WILLIAMSON Ethel Annie Ellen 1879 At Lexton Reg#17426
Death
WILLIAMSON Annie Ethel Ellen 1899 20 years At Lexton Reg#14494
Birth
WILLIAMSON Percy Edward George 1881 At Lexton Reg#10619
Death
WILLIAMSON Percy Edward George 1903 22 years At Learmonth Reg#13982
Birth
WILLIAMSON John 1886 At Waai Reg#22688
WILLIAMSON John 1886 1 day At Waai Reg#11229
Birth
WILLIAMSON Ellen 1892 At Lexton Reg#15003
Death
WILLIAMSON Ellen 1892 1 day At Lexton Reg#6982
Australian Electoral Roll
1903
WILLIAMSON Ellen Lexton Postmistress
Marriage
WILLIAMSON Ellen Born Isle of Wight
TANSWELL Thomas
1911 Reg#10359
Thomas was previously married to a Margaret and had the occupation music teacher on the electoral roll.
Australian Electoral Roll
1914
TANSWELL Ellen Newtown, Beechworth HD
TANSWELL Thomas Newtown, Beechworth Independent Means
Death
TANSWELL Thomas
Father Thomas Mother Ann COOPER
At Beechworth 62 years 1915 Reg#310
and 3rd Marriage
TANSWELL Ellen
MAWDESLEY William
1917 Reg#6209
Australian Electoral Roll
1919,1924
MAWDESLEY Ellen Last Street Beechworth HD
MAWDESLEY William Last Street Beechworth Retired farmer.
Deaths
MAWDESLEY William
Father James Mother Sarah REDDYOFF
At Beechworth 76 years 1927 Reg#8500
MAWDESLEY Ellen
Father George HAINES Mother Rebecca GUTTERIDGE
At Beechworth 74 years 1930 Reg#275
Cando
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PROV has a few wills for some of your family which you may like to look up. Unfortunately those relating to deaths after 1925 have not yet been digitised but there are some useful death dates given.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
There are some HAINES burials listed at Wonthaggi, including a William Hurst HAINES 1900-1943.
http://www.australiancemeteries.com/vic/bass_coast/wonthaggign_data.htm
Tanswell's Hotel is still in Beechworth which was a gold-mining town in the late 1800s. The Thomas TANSWELL who married Ellen WILLIAMSON would have been born in 1853 according to his death certificate, so I suspect that the Thomas TANSWELL who bought the hotel in 1870 may well have been his father.
http://www.dpcd.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/138137/Tanswells.pdf
Judith
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Jane what is the source of your information about this family? How do you know how many are in the next generations? If you have found an online tree perhaps you could contact the owner.
There are some HAINES burials listed at Wonthaggi, including a William Hurst HAINES 1900-1943.
http://www.australiancemeteries.com/vic/bass_coast/wonthaggign_data.htm
This database is of headstones/plaques only. Photos are available on request. Email address is on the website.
Christopher Hurst ‘Hirsty’ Haines (70)
Born & lived in Australia
Foreman in the State Coalmine, Wonthaggi, Victoria
(opened in 1910, closed in 1968 - now a tourist attraction)
Ballarat E, Victoria (25/1/1871 - 12/2/1941?) Waggi, Inverloch, Victoria
m 1894 in Victoria, Australia
Mary Martha ‘Minnie’ Croy (65/66)
Scarsdale, Victoria, (7/6/1873 - 14/10/1939) ?
(dau of Peter & Elizabeth A Nicholson -
both b in Great Britain)
Marriage
HAINES Christopher Hurst Born Ballarat
CROY Minnie Born Scarsdale
1894 Reg#6633
Births
HAINES George Gutteridge
Father Christopher Hurst Mother Minnie CROY
At Allandale 1895 Reg#17335
HAINES Eva May
Father Christopher Hurst Mother Minnie CROY
At Allandale 1898 Reg#104
HAINES Nellie Elizabeth
Father Christopher Hurst Mother Minnie CROY
At Allandale 1899 Reg#15006
HAINES William Hurst
Father Christopher Hurst Mother Minnie CROY
At Daylesford 1901 Reg#18484
HAINES Mavis Jean
Father Christopher Hurst Mother Minnie CROY
At Powlett 1912 Reg#23416
Australian Electoral Roll
1909
HAINES Christopher Magazine Hill, Daylesford Hairdresser
HAINES Minnie Magazine Hill, Daylesford HD
1914, 1919
HAINES Christopher Hurst Wonthaggi Foreman
HAINES Minnie Wonthaggi HD
1924
HAINES Christopher Hurst State Coal Mine Foreman
HAINES George Gutheridge State Coal Mine Driver
HAINES Minnie State Coal Mine HD
HAINES Nellie Elizabeth State Coal Mine HD
1931
HAINES Alexandria May McKenzie Crescent Wonthaggi HD
HAINES Christopher Hurse State Coal Mine Foreman
HAINES Eileen Jean 5 Merrin Street Wonthaggi HD
HAINES George Gutheridge McKenzie Crescent Wonthaggi Carrier
HAINES Minnie State Coal Mine HD
HAINES William Hurst 5 Merrin Street Wonthaggi Clerk
HAINES Christopher Hurst State Coal Mine Foreman
Death
HAINES Christopher
No parents noted
At Wongthaggi 70 years 1941 Reg#16485
HAINES Mary Martha
Father Peter CROY Mother Elizabeth UNKNOWN
At Wonthaggi 68 years 1939 Reg#19690
HAINES George Gutteridge
Father Christopher Mother Minnie CROY
At Melbourne East 45 years 1940 Reg#5939
HAINES William Hurst
Father Christopher Mother Minnie CROY
At Wonthaggi 43 years 1944 Reg#23486
HALL Eva May
Father Christopher HAINES Mother Minnie Martha CROY
At Heidelberg 78 years 1975 Reg#7048
HAINES William Francis
Father William Hurst Mother Eileen Jean
At Wonthaggi 41 years 1983 Reg#10544
Cando
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Marriages
HAINES Nellie Elizabeth
JACOBS William
1924 Reg#3332
HAINES Mavis Jean
EVANS Mansel Olando
1933 Reg#3740
We do know that there are still members of the family living in Wonthaggi 150 years on, one of whom died in 2014
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/notice/35082095/view?random=1420365290827
Only one HAINES listing in whitepages for the Wonthaggi Region.
http://www.whitepages.com.au/?entryType=R#
Cando
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Have you had a look in Trove?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
Type in Haines and tick the Victoria box (for now) And start looking. I found 174,000 references to Haines in Victorian newspapers, you may need to specify dates to narrow the search a little.
For your Ballarat Haines Trove only has the Ballarat Courier digitised for the WW1 years, The Ballarat Star is completely digitised but didn't last long. After you have waded through that 174,000 then have a look at the newspapers in the rest of Australia, often choice juicy bits of news were reported in newspapers in very distant places. Gosssip would be reported in the Melbourne Argus, News of mine disasters in Victoria were often reported in other mining towns, Kalgoorlie and Broken Hill for example. You can find things that never gets passed down in family legends.
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Rusted I have spent quite some time searching TROVE. The HAINES references in the Ballarat newspapers in the era are for a policitian not connected to this family. I can find nothing to date for this particular HAINES line.
The OP was logged in yesterday and perhaps we have found nothing new.
Cando
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There are many further generations living in the Ballarat area,
Only two HAINES listings for the Ballarat Greater area
http://www.whitepages.com.au/?entryType=R#
Cando
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This appears to be a brother of George HAINES who died in 1908.
Death
HAINES Henry
Father George Mother Fanny HURST
At Ballarat Hospital 64 years 1887 Reg#8984
Buried at Ballarat Cemetery
HAINES Henry 28/07/1887 Wesleyan C Section a Grave#19
Harry (Henry) Haines (?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
?
Portsea, Isle of Wight, Hants (1859 - ?)
m 1883 Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Mary Ann McKee/McKey/McQuie (?)
(? - ?)
(dau of ?
HAINES Harry Born London [According to the 1861 Census he was born c1859 Ryde, IOW]
McKEY Mary Ann No POB detailed on the marriage index.
1883 Reg#2933
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Births Mar 1859
HAINES Harry I Wight 2b/499
Births
HAINES Rebecca Ellen
Father Henry Mother Mary Ann McKEE
At Ararat 1883 Reg#13670 Died at Ballarat 1875 17 months Reg#133
Birth
HAINES Lucy May
Father Harry Mother Mary Ann McKEY
At Ballarat 1885 Reg#7653
Marriage in NZ
1909/6730
HAINES Lucy May
MASON Charles Stuart
Death NZ
1961/27040 MASON Lucy May 75 years
Births to limit of index
1909/19181 MASON George Stewart Mother Lucy May Father Charles
1911/20950 MASONCharles Pierce Mother Lucy May Father Charles Stewart
1913/4330 MASON Leonie Mary Mother Lucy May Father Charles Stewart
Birth
HAINES Harry George
Father Harry Mother Mary Ann McKEY
At Ballarat 1887 Reg#16744
Death in New South Wales
15479/1935
HAINES Harry G
Father George Mother Rebecca
District Ryde
Australian Electoral Roll
1930, 1933
HAINES Harry 151 Wilson Street, Redfern Labourer
Cando
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This is a famous surname. Commander Stafford Bettesworth Haines took Aden by force in 1839 after the Sultan of Lahedj reneged on a signed deal for the British to lease Aden as a coaling station. Since he married in Alton Hants in 1831 (buried in Bombay in 1860) there may be a connection to your family. "Sultans of Aden" by Gordon Waterfield tells his story and what happened in Aden.
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I think I'll call a halt to this research until Jane responds to the information. She has been logged in again today. Possibly there is no new information however I did find the second and third marriages for Ellen born Portsmouth and her death. Can't see the point of typing up research if there is no response at all and I have more.
Cando
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Thank you all very much for your help; I will need to catch up with the information, there is a lot here
Regards
Jane
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This is a famous surname. Commander Stafford Bettesworth Haines took Aden by force in 1839 after the Sultan of Lahedj reneged on a signed deal for the British to lease Aden as a coaling station. Since he married in Alton Hants in 1831 (buried in Bombay in 1860) there may be a connection to your family. "Sultans of Aden" by Gordon Waterfield tells his story and what happened in Aden.
Thanks for this, but I know of no connection with our family, though the Haines' do have a connection in Bombay through Mr Robert Haines, a surgeon there in the 1860s
Jane
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he m (2) ? 1887 in Ballarat, Victoria, Australia
Susannah Carman (?)
(? - ?)
(dau of ?
(children ?)
Marriage
HAINES George Born Sussex
CARMAN Susannah Born London
1887 Reg#1578
Death
HAINES Susannah
Father William HEWSTONE Mother Sarah STUDD
At Bunningyong 79 years 1909 Reg#698
On the 1851 living with a widowed father William, 50 years, toy maker, is a Susan HEWSTONE 22 years born St Lukes, Middlesex.
Marriage in Victoria
CARMAN Simon
HEWSTONE Susannah
1857 Reg#1382
HAINES Susannah 80 years
Death 4 Jan 1909 [Possibly date of burial]
Source Buninyong cemetery headstones and registers 23/2/1845 - 30/9/1981.
Author/compiler Genealogical Society of Victoria, Ballarat Group.
Comment Ref type: b [burial from register?]
Cando
Cando
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Thank you for this information.
Following on from this, I have managed to find almost everything about Susannah, parents, g parents, dob, dod m details to Simon Carman, her siblings, her children - 10 of them etc etc - there is possibly even a picture of her on Ancestry, if I had access. But no details of her m to George HAINES except 1887 Ballarat
How can I obtain a dd/mm//yyyy date for their marriage, location etc? If it is possible to buy a certificate what details will it show? I notice also that many of the dates are just years. We appear to have much more information in England. Is it possible to obtain more details?
Jane
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Hi Jane
the information you have been given is just what is on the index. Australian BMD certificates are very informative and those from Victoria particularly good.
This link gives a guide to the information that is asked for when registering a B M or D in Victoria.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
Of course it depends on the knowledge/truthfulness of the informant/s as to the accuracy of what is recorded. Usually marriage certificates have the best information as it is supplied by the couple themselves. Death certificates can be a bit hit and miss as the informant may not know information re the early life of the deceased, however they are very much more informative than English ones where there is no requirement to show any family relationships. My 9 GBP has often seemed a waste of money!!
Historical images of Victorian registrations can be downloaded for $AU20. As it is an actual image it can be very useful in comparing signatures etc.
You need the reg no which has been supplied in the information above.
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/family+history+certificates/
FAQs here
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/family+history+faqs/
Judith
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Transcription of marriage certificate:
April 16, 1887 at St James Church Geelong, by licence
Simon CARMAN, widower, born Diss, Norfolk, farmer, 36,
usual and current place of residence: Lethbridge, parents: John CARMAN, farmer, Elizabeth HUNT
Susannah HEWSTONE, spinster, born London,
usual and current place of residence: Lethbridge, parents William HEWSTONE, toymaker, Sarah HUDD (see below)
Simon signs with a cross, Susannah signs her name
Witnesses: William HARKNESS, Elizabeth HARKNESS (signs with a cross)
Minister: John L LOW
Edit to add: her mother's name appears to be HUDD on the image but may be STUDD as recorded on the BMD index. However, if you have her background now, you will know which is correct!
Judith
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Thank you again for your help. I will continue tomorrow, there is so much to take in
Jane
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How can I obtain a dd/mm//yyyy date for their marriage, location etc? If it is possible to buy a certificate what details will it show? I notice also that many of the dates are just years. We appear to have much more information in England. Is it possible to obtain more details?
None of the online marriage indexes for England give place of birth of bride and groom.
Marriage
HAINES George Born Sussex
CARMAN Susannah Born London
1887 Reg#1578
Cando
I am surprised that you have taken such an interest in George's second wife as they didn't have any children, therefore no descendants.
The Victorian certificates contain excellent information.
Births
Date and place of birth;
Name of child and whether present or not;
Name of parents (including mother's maiden name);
Occupation of parents;
Ages and birthplace of parents;
Date and place of marriage of parents;
Previous children of their marriage noting living or deceased;
Signature, description and address of the person who gave the information;
Names of witnesses;
Date and place of registration.
Deaths
Date and place of death;
Name and surname;
Occupation of the deceased;
Sex and age;
Cause of death,
Duration of illness,
Medical attendant by whom certified and when he last saw deceased;
Name and surname of parents (if known) including mother's maiden surname,
Signature, description and address of the person who gave the information;
Signature of deputy registrar, date and where registered,
When and where buried,
Undertaker whom certified;
Name and religion of Minister, or names of witnesses of burial;
Place of birth of the deceased and how long he or she resided in the Australian colonies or States (stating which),
Name of spouse,
Place of marriage,
Age at marriage;
Names and ages of children of the deceased.
Marriages
Date and place of marriage;
Name and surnames;
Conjugal condition, whether bachelor or spinster, widow or widower,
Stating date of decease of former wife or husband;
Children by each former marriage;
Birthplace;
Occupation;
Age;
Residence (present and usual);
Parent's names of each party (including mother's maiden name) and occupation of father;
Signatures of the parties and witnesses;
Signature of Minister.
Prior to 1963 the date of termination of previous marriages of the parties is also shown.
You can purchase online [AUD21] and immediately download
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/family+history+certificates/purchase+an+uncertified+image
Cando
Edit. I am assuming that Judith found an image of a certificate online attached to a family tree. :)
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Kate Elizabeth Haines (?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
Portsea, Isle of Wight, Hants (1859 - ?)
m?
Philip Ofas (?)
?
(? - ?)
(son of ?
(6 children)
Portsea is not on the Isle of Wight.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HAM/Portsea/
Kate was born at Ryde on Isle of Wight according to the 1861 Census.
Births Dec 1859
HAINES Kate Elizabeth I.Wight 2b/494
Kate HAINES/HAINS who married Philip Harris OPAS not OFAS is not your Kate Elizabeth HAINES. Kate was the dau of Joseph HAINS and Julia DELEVANTE. She is buried with other members of the OPAS family in the Jewish Section of the Brighton cemetery. She was born 1854 in London, Middlesex.
Births Jun 1854
HAINS Catherine Whitechapel 1c/347
Marriage
HAINES Kate Born London
OPAS Philip Born Poland later records show his names to he Philip Harris
1881 Reg# 2786
Death
OPAS Kate
Father Joseph HAINS and Julia DEVELANTE
At Balaclava 1940 85 years Reg#11489
And marriage of her parents
Marriages Jun 1853
HAINS Joseph St Luke 1b/744
DELEVANTEJulia St Luke 1b/ 744
Her father's death in South Australia.
The South Australian Register 1893
HAINS.— On the 8th February, suddenly, at his residence, Dale-street, Port Adelaide, Joseph Hains. sen., aged 67, beloved father of Mrs. Alfred Myers, Adelaide, and Mrs. P. Opas and Mrs. L. Cober, Melbourne. Sydney and Melbourne papers please copy.
Cando
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David Haines (?)
Bristol (1851 - ?)
m?
(he may not be their child)
I think you are right. He doesn't belong to this family.
Marriages Sep 1851
HAINES George Bristol 11/131
GUTTERIDGE Rebecca Ellen Bristol 11/131
There is no birth registered in the Bristol registration district for a David HAINES in 1851. You mention that Rebecca Francis was born and died at Exeter in 1852 so Frederick George appears to be their second child born in Sep qtr 1853.
Births Sep 1852
HAINES Rebecca Frances Exeter 5b/77
Deaths Dec 1852
HAINES Rebecca Frances Exeter 5b/68
Births Sep 1853
HAINES Frederick George Exeter 5b/81
1861 Census
Living at Clapham, Surrey
HAINES George Head M 39 years Clerk S W Railway Born Kidford, Sussex
HAINES Rebecca Wife M 29 years Born Carmenthan, South Wales
HAINES Frederick G Son 7 years Scholar Born Exeter, Devon
HAINES Ellen Dau 5 years Born Portsmouth, Hampshire
HAINES Lucy Dau 3 Born Ryde IOW
HAINES Harry Son 2 Born Ryde, IOW
HAINES Kate Dau 1 Born Ryde, IOW
Cando
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Very many thanks again for all your info.
I am struggling to know where to start. A few questions arise however
1 George Frederick Haines d aged 74 7\3\1925 W Maitland - but he could only have been 71 as he was b Sep qtr 1853 Exeter
2 Laurence George E (Epthorp, after his mother's mother's maiden name) was son of George Frederick not Fredk Paul (who d aged 3)
3 I have found a Rita Stella Guttridge b 1892 Australia Birth Index (Victoria 824) as a dau of Fredk G and Alice (nee Booth)
4 There is an FT for John Edward Williamson on A........y if I could read it
The original Australian section of the HAINES Family Tree I posted was researched by me with the help of A........y. and the Australian Electoral Rolls (for further members of the Family) - Christopher Hurst HAINES family and grand children upto 1980. and finally Christopher William HAINES (Hirsty's gson) who d 10/4/2014 Wonthaggi
The ggrandaughter of Lucy Gough HAINES (dau of George who d 1908) who m Samuel Morgan 1880, contacted me and sent me some of her family (as far as Catherine Ellen Morgan b 1861, but no further) She has no further details
I also contacted Wonthaggi Inc who told me there were members of the HAINES family there ie Christopher William (above) et al but I have received no info despite spending 6 moths waiting. I gave up in frustration. I was hoping to actually contact a member of the current family
Jane
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Have you had a look in Trove?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
Type in Haines and tick the Victoria box (for now) And start looking. I found 174,000 references to Haines in Victorian newspapers, you may need to specify dates to narrow the search a little.
For your Ballarat Haines Trove only has the Ballarat Courier digitised for the WW1 years, The Ballarat Star is completely digitised but didn't last long. After you have waded through that 174,000 then have a look at the newspapers in the rest of Australia, often choice juicy bits of news were reported in newspapers in very distant places. Gosssip would be reported in the Melbourne Argus, News of mine disasters in Victoria were often reported in other mining towns, Kalgoorlie and Broken Hill for example. You can find things that never gets passed down in family legends.
Thanks for this
Not the newspapers, but on A........y - 2 references, one for Christopher William HAINES d 2014 Obit. Collection and one for Mark Raymond Haines d 15/10/2013 (his son?) Australia & New Zealand Obit. Collection, if I could see
Jane
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There are many further generations living in the Ballarat area,
Only two HAINES listings for the Ballarat Greater area
http://www.whitepages.com.au/?entryType=R#
Cando
Presumably, this is Rae Ruth HAINES' address in Wonthaggi and tel no?
Jane
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one for Christopher William HAINES d 2014 Obit.
Jane
We do know that there are still members of the family living in Wonthaggi 150 years on, one of whom died in 2014
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/notice/35082095/view?random=1420365290827
Cando
Jane you don't appear to have read the above link previously posted.
Cremated at Springvale Botanical Cemetery
HAINES Christopher William 86 years
The cremated remains have been collected
Date of Birth 25 January 1928
Date of Death 10 April 2014
Date of Service 15 April 2014
Religion or Cultural Preference Anglican
Funeral Director Handley & Anderson Funeral Directors
Presumably, this is Rae Ruth HAINES' address in Wonthaggi and tel no?
Jane
Sorry I have no way of knowing whose telephone number it is.
1 George Frederick Haines d aged 74 7\3\1925 W Maitland - but he could only have been 71 as he was b Sep qtr 1853 Exeter
Jane
This is the information to which you refer....
Possible death for Alice in NSW
18648/1921
HAINES Alice
Father William Mother Mary A
District St Leonards
and Frederick George....there are errors on the indexes.
4211/1925
HAINES Frederick C
Father George Mother GUTTERIDGE
District West Maitland
Burial record for Frederick George HAINES
http://austcemindex.com/inscription.php?id=1375712
and their son
3136/1963
HAINES Lawrence George E
Father Frederick Paul Mother Alice
District Ashfield
Cando
I can only post the information as I find it.
Information on any bdm or cemetery record is only as good as the knowledge of the informant. It is your person of interest....the surname detailed albeit slightly incorrect, for his mother GUTTERIDGE was fortunate. Usually only the given name of the mother is posted and that was obviously not known by the informant.
Frederick George's wife, Alice, pre-deceased him so you would need to purchase a transcription of his death certificate to validate the research. At the moment the price is AUD$20. The transcription is emailed to you.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcription
The same comment applies to the death information for their son Lawrence.
I treat all online trees with great caution. I know some of your information has been sourced from an online tree by the following incorrect spelling and incorrect place of burial.(d at Warrenheih St, Buninyong, Victoria, Australia)
(bur 23/2/1908 at Caringham Cemetery)
Jane
I would expect you to find some of the information yourself :) I will mention that my resources are not on one CD. I have to load numerous discs to find information about a family in Victoria and that is time consuming. This is a difficult thread because there is more than request for the same family. This birth is on a different disc to the earlier ones.
Birth
HAINES Reta Stella Gutridge
Father Frederick George Mother Alice BOOTH
At Ballarat East 1892 Reg#824
When I started my family research in Victoria I purchased pages of all the surname entries from the Vic BDM website with my surname of interest and each page cost at that time around 99 cents. Fortunately my maiden name is not a commonly occurring one ;) I have only purchased images of certificates if I wanted to know the causes of death. Not a large family so not an expensive exercise. I am definitely not suggesting you purchase all the HAINES names!! A number of us have the resources to help you. Many libraries subscribe to the Library Edition of Ancestry.com. Perhaps you could enquire at your local library.
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/search+your+family+history/
What do else you want to know about John Edward WILLIAMSON?
Cheers :)
Cando
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one for Mark Raymond Haines d 15/10/2013 (his son?)
Jane
It breaches the terms of use of the subscribers to do specific lookups on Ancestry.
There are other sources.
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/notice/3309054/view?random=1421191156938
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/notice/3316051/view?random=1421191460930
Have you had a browse through all the links on the Resources board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
Please don't post any requests there though :)
Cando
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This appears to be a brother of George HAINES who died in 1908.
Death
HAINES Henry
Father George Mother Fanny HURST
At Ballarat Hospital 64 years 1887 Reg#8984
Buried at Ballarat Cemetery
HAINES Henry 28/07/1887 Wesleyan C Section a Grave#19
This is very interesting. The last ref I have of this man is on the 1841 C living with parents George & Frances E (nee Hurst) as an 18 year old at Billingham House, Sussex. There was a possible m to an Ann Smith 25/12/1841 in Arundel and they had 4 children. After that they disappear. Perhaps they followed His brother George. I only have a mention that he d as a single man in Australia - no date
Jane
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You would need to purchase an image of the certificate to find if Henry was married and if so, the name of his wife should be noted along with all issue both living and deceased at the time of Henry's death.
Cando
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I also contacted Wonthaggi Inc who told me there were members of the HAINES family there ie Christopher William (above) et al but I have received no info despite spending 6 moths waiting. I gave up in frustration. I was hoping to actually contact a member of the current family
http://wonthaggigenealogy.org.au/
We are a completely not-for-profit Community group formed in 1996
Our aim is to promote research in Family History and to record and preserve records which relate to Bass Coast and South Gippsland, Victoria, Australia
All our staff are volunteers and this site is designed and maintained by volunteers
We provide free Training and Presentations to our members
Research Queries can be obtained at a very reasonable rate
Just as it is the policy of rootschat not to search or post information about living people, it is not the role of genealogy groups to seek out information about living people or living families of recently deceased persons.
Did you seek and obtain a quote for research about deceased persons? Many groups have a minimum fee for initial research.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Hi Jane
the information you have been given is just what is on the index. Australian BMD certificates are very informative and those from Victoria particularly good.
This link gives a guide to the information that is asked for when registering a B M or D in Victoria.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373754.0.html
Of course it depends on the knowledge/truthfulness of the informant/s as to the accuracy of what is recorded. Usually marriage certificates have the best information as it is supplied by the couple themselves. Death certificates can be a bit hit and miss as the informant may not know information re the early life of the deceased, however they are very much more informative than English ones where there is no requirement to show any family relationships. My 9 GBP has often seemed a waste of money!!
Historical images of Victorian registrations can be downloaded for $AU20. As it is an actual image it can be very useful in comparing signatures etc.
You need the reg no which has been supplied in the information above.
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/family+history+certificates/
FAQs here
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/family+history+faqs/
Judith
Thank you Judith for this information, it is most useful
I have bought many English Certs in the past and 1 very good Scottish M Cert (where both parents of bride and groom are recorded - why didn't England do this. I agree English D certs are almost a waste of money
Is this transcription of Carman/Hewstone M a download at $AU20 or is this an actual M Cert (as one might obtain in England? costing $AU21? Is the amount of info on a download the same as on a Cert?
I will buy a Cert of one of the Haines marriages and see how I get on
Thanks, Jane
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Kate Elizabeth Haines (?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
Portsea, Isle of Wight, Hants (1859 - ?)
m?
Philip Ofas (?)
?
(? - ?)
(son of ?
(6 children)
Portsea is not on the Isle of Wight.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HAM/Portsea/
Kate was born at Ryde on Isle of Wight according to the 1861 Census.
Births Dec 1859
HAINES Kate Elizabeth I.Wight 2b/494
Kate HAINES/HAINS who married Philip Harris OPAS not OFAS is not your Kate Elizabeth HAINES. Kate was the dau of Joseph HAINS and Julia DELEVANTE. She is buried with other members of the OPAS family in the Jewish Section of the Brighton cemetery. She was born 1854 in London, Middlesex.
Births Jun 1854
HAINS Catherine Whitechapel 1c/347
Marriage
HAINES Kate Born London
OPAS Philip Born Poland later records show his names to he Philip Harris
1881 Reg# 2786
Death
OPAS Kate
Father Joseph HAINS and Julia DEVELANTE
At Balaclava 1940 85 years Reg#11489
And marriage of her parents
Marriages Jun 1853
HAINS Joseph St Luke 1b/744
DELEVANTEJulia St Luke 1b/ 744
Her father's death in South Australia.
The South Australian Register 1893
HAINS.— On the 8th February, suddenly, at his residence, Dale-street, Port Adelaide, Joseph Hains. sen., aged 67, beloved father of Mrs. Alfred Myers, Adelaide, and Mrs. P. Opas and Mrs. L. Cober, Melbourne. Sydney and Melbourne papers please copy.
Cando
The marriage information for Kate Elizabeth HAINES was given to me by her still living cousin (living in Australia) together with their 5 children Julia, Joseph, Hannah, Rebecca, Miriam and Minnie, plus gchildren (children of Joseph) Philip Hening? b 1917 and Amelia Frances b 1919. From your research, all these are unrelated to our Kate?
Is it possible to find out what happened to our Kate?
Jane
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Cando
I am surprised that you have taken such an interest in George's second wife as they didn't have any children, therefore no descendants.
I wasn't aware I had taken a lot of interest in George's second wife. You gave me some information about her and I was able to complete my findings. I like to tie up all the loose ends as I have tried to do throughout The Tree. Those on our tree are not just dates, they are also people with a life. Susannah was part of George's life :)
Jane
Jane
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The marriage information for Kate Elizabeth HAINES was given to me by her still living cousin (living in Australia) together with their 5 children Julia, Joseph, Hannah, Rebecca, Miriam and Minnie, plus gchildren (children of Joseph) Philip Hening? b 1917 and Amelia Frances b 1919. From your research, all these are unrelated to our Kate?
Is it possible to find out what happened to our Kate?
Jane
Deaths Sep 1861
HAINES Kate Elizabeth Wandsworth 1d/274
Your living cousin in Australia doesn't appear to have purchased any certificates to validate her research. It would appear that Kate Elizabeth died before the family emigrated to Australia. You would need the certificate to validate that though.
Cando
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Victorian BMDs have 2 types of historical record for purchase.
Uncertified Image. This is an image of the actual record as held by the Victorian Department. It is immediately ready for download (as soon as you have paid by credit card) and usually includes a whole page so that you can see other people's records as well.
Historical Certificate which contains the same information as an uncertified image, as well as the Registrar's certification, signature and seal. It is posted to you and is dearer.
See more at: http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/family+history+certificates/#sthash.ijs2dmHK.dpuf
You cannot use the uncertified image for legal purposes, however for family history it is excellent and it's all you would need. Sometimes, if you have two Bs or Ms or Ds in the same area at about the same time you will be lucky and the images for both will be on the page with the one you have ordered. For example weddings of siblings on the same day or deaths of a mother and child at about the same time etc. (Hope that makes sense)
Judith
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Birth
MORGAN Samuel John
Father Samuel John Mother Ellen Perry MILLARD
At Melbourne 1856 Reg#3731
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4807433
The Argus 30 Apr1855
MARRIED.
On the 25th inst., at St. Paul's Church, by the Rev. S. L. Chase, Samuel John Morgan, of Elizabeth-street, Melbourne, to Ellen Perry Millard, eldest daughter of John Perry Millard, Esq., of Bath, Somerset.
And his parents’ marriage
MORGAN Samuel John
MILLARD Ellen Perry
1855 Reg#1236
Six of Samuel’s siblings were born at Ballarat.
Marriage
MORGAN Samuel John Born Melbourne
HAINES Lucy Gough Born Isle of Wight
1880 Reg#4309
Births
MORGAN Catherine Ellen
Father Samuel John Mother Lucy Gough HAINES
At Ballarat 1881 Reg#21066
MORGAN Lucy Ethel
Father Samuel John Mother Lucy Gough HAINES
At Ballarat 1883 Reg#6728
MORGAN Amy Rebecca
Father Samuel John Mother Lucy HAINES
At Ballarat 1885 Reg#23108
MORGAN Sylvia Irene
Father Samuel John Mother Lucy Gough HAINES
At Ballarat 1888 Reg#26458
MORGAN Samuel John
Father Samuel John Mother Lucy HAINES
At Ballarat 1891 Reg#8763
Photo of Samuel John uniform prior to his death in WW1
http://trove.nla.gov.au/version/206982686
1897/C7841
MORGAN Queenie Alice Lillian
Father Samuel John Mother Lucy Gough Haines
You can now search the Queensland bdm's yourself for further events
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m
From his obituary
Mr. Morgan was married in 1880 at Walhalla, Gippsland, to Miss Lucy Gough Haines. Mrs Morgan died just five years ago. The only son of the union, Captain S. J. Morgan, 26th Battalion, was killed in action in the Great War. The late Mr. Morgan is survived by four daughters, Mesdames J. H. Orrell (Kangaroo Pt, Brisbane), S. K. Davis (Perth), W. Frost (Pittsworth). and S. Aspinall (New Farm). There are seven grand children.
Obituary – Samuel John MORGAN born Ballarat 1855
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article114186087
Samuel died intestate and sons-in-law are named as trustees.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article114183661
Tribute to Mr Samuel John MORGAN, respected Engineering Union Officer
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article114178449
Cecil LOWTHER wrote in the Maryborough Chronicle under the name of "Bannerman". A Tribute to Samuel MORGAN including a poem. Cecil was a 1st cousin three times removed on my paternal grandmother's side.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article151182133
Cando
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David Haines (?)
Jane
William Thomas Haines (?)
Emigrated to Australia during 1860s
(? - ?)
m?
(does this child exist?)
Jane
These are these births and deaths also registered in the district of Lambeth
Births Sep 1862
HAINES Robert Hurst Lambeth 1d/334
Deaths Jun 1863
HAINES Robert Hurst Lambeth 1d/241
Births Jun 1864
HAINES David Lambeth 1d/345
Deaths Dec 1864
HAINES David Lambeth 1d/274
There is also a birth in 1865 for a William Thomas in district Lambeth but I cannot see a death. Perhaps as you mention, he wasn't a member of this family.
Cando
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I am a great granddaughter of Christopher Hurst Haines & 'Minnie' Croy. My grandparents were Ellen Haines & William Jacobs, lived in Inverloch & buried at Wonthaggi .
Lynjaycee
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Hello - I realise this thread is years old but I've only just discovered it in my search for info. I am the great granddaughter of Christopher Hurst Haines. His daughter Mavis Jean is my maternal grandmother. I would love any info you have and to relay anything i know on this end. My mother lives in the area still.
Kind regards
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Welcome to Rootschat, Brooksy.
Lynjaycee hasn't been on RC since 2015, but fingers crossed she receives a notification email re: your post.
Jamjar
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Hello - I realise this thread is years old but I've only just discovered it in my search for info. I am the great granddaughter of Christopher Hurst Haines. His daughter Mavis Jean is my maternal grandmother. I would love any info you have and to relay anything i know on this end. My mother lives in the area still.
Kind regards
Hello Brooksy
I posted the original topic as I was looking for assistance on my Haines Family in Australia. I will be happy to exchange any info I have and can let you have some Family Tree details of your family in Victoria from @1870 onwards. Hope to hear from you
Regards
sft456
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Great to see families linking up. :)
Welcome to Rootschat, Brooksy. You'll need to make another two posts before you can use the PM system on Rootschat.
Judith
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Hello, I see this is an old thread however I'am the paternal granddaughter of Christopher William 2nd Haines (Wonthaggi) and my brother is Christopher William 3rd Haines. If you are still looking for family tree information for this part of the Haines family I would be happy to share.
ella.haines@gmail.com