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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: josey on Monday 05 January 15 11:33 GMT (UK)
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Here are snippets of a photocopy of a page from a family bible. Not sure whether to put this on the Westmeath board or deciphering!!
Can anyone determine where Sarah Ansell came from please? It looks like 'Binning' and in the 'parish church of Kilbexy/Kilbixy' but I cannot find a townland or village of that name here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_townlands_of_County_Westmeath
or anything similar on the map
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,633213,758114,5,7
Thank you, Josey
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Does it say "In the Kingdom of Ireland"? If so there is a Kilberry in County Kildare.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilberry,_County_Kildare
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Thanks groom. Kilberry had been the first thought but then I thought I saw an 'x' rather that 'rr'. Would Westmeath not have been in the Kingdom?
ADDED: I've now put Kilberry in the title, though it's not in Westmeath; I'm hesitant to crosspost to Kildare.
ADDED 2: I've played with the townland image a bit, looks a little clearer now....however it is possible that the right hand edge of the original page is missing...
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There is a Kilbixy in Westmeath found it on the Applotment books
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Westmeath/Kilbixy/
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Could it be Baronstown in Kilbixy Parish, Westmeath?
For other possibilityes search for townlands at http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/
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If you search by county and than by Historic Parish on the OSI mapviewer Kilbixy is listed.
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Thank you for all your input & suggestions.
aghagowey: Baronstown is certainly possible if some of the page is missing. Of course, Sarah may NOT have come from that townland, just married in that parish church for some reason.
Sinann: Thanks; it's a shame that not all the individual farms are named.
I have tried playing more with the image & wondered if it could be Benview? I cannot find the marriage for this couple on rootsireland or familysearch. I haven't found them on any UK censuses where birthplace is given either. I have no idea where they went after marriage. No Hayter children found on rootsireland. No Ansell or Hayter names on the 1833 Tithe Applotment Books for Kilbixy or Kilberry.
Is the general opinion that it is Kilbixy or Kilberry? Thanks. I am hoping for a scan of the original document in due course - this may be clearer.
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This is the Church of Ireland Parish church in Kilbixy Parish- in the townland of Baronstown Demesne!
http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=WM®no=15401102
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VERY interesting, thank you.
ADDED: sadly it appears from
http://ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers/ParishRegistersTable.pdf
that the only records available from Kilbixy parish are marriages 1848 - 2007, later than I need to search.
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I wonder could it be as simple as, she was from Ben, or maybe a house with the hill of Ben as a view.
Kilbixy could have been the nearest Anglican church, although you would have to get around two lakes, still a view of the hill could be some distance from it.
Just a thought.
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I think you may be right, Sinann. It could be that simple. There are no Ansells in the Tithe Applotment books although familysearch has just 5 results in th elate 1820s with similar names.
Thanks for the idea.
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Found an online tree that gives marriage of Richard Hayter & Sarah Ansell 10 Aug.1817 in Kilberry, Kildare :-\
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Thanks. I'm pretty sure that's the Hatchard/Hawes tree of the new cousin I found through the 'John Hayter carte de visite' thread - it is her who had the photocopy of the bible front page & sent it to me; if so the county is not specified & Kilberry is her interpretation of the word. She is a direct descendant of that John Hayter, who was brother to my direct ancestor.
That's why I'd really like a general feel for whether others think the word is Kilberry or Kilbixy :). Would you recommend posting on the deciphering board?
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To me it looks like an X, I just can't see two R's in it. It's the other word that's doing my head in.
There is nothing much in the way of evidence for either family name in Westmeath which doesn't help.
A scan rather than a photocopy might help but I'm guessing you don't know these cousin very well to ask for that.
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I agree with Sinann- I see an x but not rr
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Thanks Sinann, I agree with 'x'; also have struggled to find any Ansells - I wonder if Sarah was from, say, an army family passing through. Richard was from Windlesham, Surrey. The Hayters are one of my mother's lines; coincidentally if it is Kilbixy, that's pretty close to Mullingar where my paternal grandmother came from.
A scan is in the process of being requested but the cousin says "The original is held by my great aunt's daughter-in-law who is 90. I have asked my mother to contact her and see if she could re-copy the document or someone could scan it.". So it may be a while.
Thanks aghadowey.
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Hi there
Kilbixy is a small townland north of the Village of Ballyncargy. It is also the name of the Church of Ireland Parish (now Kilbixy & Almorita).
I am actually from Kilbixy. I will keep an eye out for Ansells and Binnings.
A potential query may be made to Wilson's Hospital School" to see if any Ansells went to school there.
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That's really useful information, thank you Kevin.
And welcome to rootschat :)
Josey
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Partial breakthrough - I've found 2 documents about Richard Hayter. A newspaper report in the Berkshire Chronicle of Saturday 25 Oct 1845 of an inquest into Richard's death & a poll return of 1832 of Sunninghill of Richard Hayter living 'in this parish'. So Richard & Sarah were in Sunninghill by 1832.
1841 census HO107/15/3/1 transcribed by ancestry [they've done well for a change, it's an extremely faint image] as
Richard Hayton 60 [you can just see 'builder'] NBIC
Sarah Hayton 53 NBIC
Hannah Hayton 10 NBIC
Hannah Hayton 3 BIC
Richard Hayton 12 BIC
Hayton 10 BIC
Hayton 35
Searle 45
Sall 65
Share 40
Can anyone please see anything else there, like children's names?
Unfortunately Sarah died in 1848 so didn't make the 1851 census where her place of birth would be given [there was a death notice in the paper].
ADDED: As this post is really off topic, I've posted a query about Richard & Sarah on the Berkshire board.