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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: coombs on Tuesday 06 January 15 12:50 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for 3 ancestor siblings, I have had a good look but wonder if a fresh pair of eyes may help and I will be grateful for any help recieved.
Richard Taylor born c1829 in Saffron Walden son of Allen Taylor and Rebecca Taylor formerly Coe. He is on the 1841 census in Saffron Walden with parents and several siblings. Allen Snr was from Wimbish originally, just down the road from Saffron Walden. I cannot find any trace of Richard after 1841. His mother died in October that year aged 40.
Same with Charlotte Taylor born c1831 in Saffron Walden, she is on the 1841 census of Saffron Walden aged 10. No trace of her after that.
And Allen Taylor, Richard and Charlotte's brother, born in 1837 in Wimbish, he is on the 1851 census at the High Street, Harston, Cambridgeshire, UK, still living with his father Allen, 60, Labourer.
Allen is on the 1861 census aged 24, born Wimbish, Essex, living at the Stow Fox, Bourn, Cambridgeshire, a brickmaker, and still unmarried, living with his father Allen, 70 and 2 others listed as grandsons Joseph,16 and Benjamin, 12. After that he vanishes.
He did have a cousin called Allen who wed in 1870 in Saffron Walden aged 17 and I have that cert which disproves him as a marriage of the Allen I mentioned.
I wonder what did ever happen to Richard born 1829, Charlotte born 1831 and Allen born 1837? Any help would be gratefully recieved?
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There is a record of an Allen Taylor marrying in 1870 in Saffron Walden
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Thanks, I already have that 1870 cert, that Allen was 17 years old in 1870 who wed someone of the same age, 17. Not the same Allen, I think he was a cousin or something.
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Sorry I didn't see that you'd already mentioned the marriage ::)
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I often wonder if they did emigrate or something. Seems a possibility.
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You've probably already seen this but there is a death for a Richard Taylor in 1859 in Saffron Walden. It doesn't give date of birth so we won't know for sure unless you buy the certificate
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Found rebecca the mother's death in Saffron Walden 3/4/1841 aged 30. Also Ellen who was one month old in 1841 census buried 6/1/1842 aged 10 months.
No sign of the other three yet.
Assume you've got allen's birth?
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Hi
Yes Allen was born in 1837. I think that 1859 death for Richard was another Richard Taylor as one was buried in Wimbish aged 60 in 1859 and Wimbish is in Walden district.
I am considering the possibility they emigrated. I have looked on SEAX through Saffron Walden parish minutes and in 1849 there was a scheme for the poor of the town to emigrate. I wonder if Richard and Charlotte did that as they were 20 and 18 by then. It will be tougher seeing if they did emigrate with a name like Taylor, there are some Richard Taylor's in the US and Canada 1850 onwards born 1825-1835 in England. Then maybe Allen emigrated after 1861 and before 1871.
Seeing as no one else on here has found them in England they may have gone abroad. The plot thickens.
Ben
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Hi. I meant Allen senior.
He was baptised alongside three siblings: mary, Susanna, Ann. Parents Richard and mary. Baptism 13/2/1803 wimbish.
Definitely starting to sound like they went abroad. Looked for a marriage for Charlotte to no avail.
Do any of the children appear in any PRs or censuses after 1861?
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P.s. Whose children are the grandsons Joseph and Benjamin on the 1861 census?
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Hi nannyj
Allen Snr born 1790 was baptised aged 13 and yes, he died in 1877 in Saffron Walden Workhouse.
1841 is the last time I find Richard and Charlotte Taylor, after that they vanish from UK records so yes the chance of emigration is possible.
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Allen born 1837 had some more siblings, Charles born 1827 who wed Susan Taylor (same surname) in 1845 and it was their children Benjamin and Joseph who were with Allen Snr in 1861. Charles Taylor died in Harston, Cambridgeshire in 1886.
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Nothing concrete on these yet but a small update. In December 1849 there was a scheme to get some of the poor of Saffron Walden to emigrate. Apparently Henry Smith a former councillor went with 80 parishioners to New Zealand. And the article says some went to South Africa. My Richard and Charlotte may have been amongst them. If so then it could explain the disappearance of Allen, Harriet and Sarah in the 1860s. All helps.
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Hi,
Cant find out what you are looking for but I did find the following
Charlotte born 1831
Harriett born 1833
Hannah born 1835
Allen born 1837
Ellen born 1841 born 9th March 1841
All baptised together on the 20th October 1841 at Saffron Walden
The other children Charles 1827 Sarah 1828 and Richard 1829 not yet found
Rebecca Taylor was buried aged 30 on April 3rd 1841 in Saffron Walden, it may mean that Rebecca died because of some problem during childbirth.
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Hi
Thanks for the info.
In such cases I never give up. I need to try arrivals at NZ or South Africa around 1850 if they survive.
Coombs
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Family search claim to have over 7 million passenger arrivals in New Zealand 1839-1973, unable to find either Richard or Charlotte.
Mark
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Family search claim to have over 7 million passenger arrivals in New Zealand 1839-1973, unable to find either Richard or Charlotte.
Mark
Thanks. It is a bit of a to do with a surname like Taylor.