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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: squeeze on Wednesday 07 January 15 21:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Am needing help regarding my grandmother.Her place of birth according to the 1911 census was Ludgershall in Wiltshire.She is now deceased.She was born Dorothy Blake around 1903.Her mother was Lillian Blake.Lillian was married but I donot have any name for her husband, his surname being obviously Blake.Dorothy was adopted by 1911 in Hawkhurst, Kent.I know her mother was married from a photo I have of her holding her daughter and she is wearing a wedding ring.I donot know why she was adopted as her mother visited her in later years.The Blake families are huge in the area.Does anyone know of the said Lillian.
Many Thanks
Sue
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Hi
Ludgershall came under the Pewsey Registration district at that time but there is no birth for a Dorothy Blake in that RD
Who did Dorothy marry and when? What name did she give for her father on her marriage cert?
Seems odd for her mother to have her "adopted" if she was born within a marriage. That was more usual with illegitimate children
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Her place of birth according to the 1911 census was Ludgershall in Wiltshire.She is now deceased.She was born Dorothy Blake around 1903.Her mother was Lillian Blake.Lillian was married but I donot have any name for her husband, his surname being obviously Blake.Dorothy was adopted by 1911 in Hawkhurst, Kent
I am intrigued how you found her on the 1911 given that her surname is not Blake, her mother is not Lilian, and she is not shown as an adopted daughter. I assume you have other information about her?
How do you know she was born as Blake when there is no birth reg under that name linking to a Ludgershall birthplace?
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Have a look at this 1901 entry for Bexhill Sussex
William Parker 32 bricklayer b Hastings
Emily 28 wife b Holborn London
Nita (possibly Hilda) Young 8 child (no relationship shown) b Stroud Green London
RG13 Piece 874 Folio 59 Page 57
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William and Emily Parker were her adopted parents.There is also a 1911 census though no Nita Young on that one.On the marriage certificate her father's name was William Parker.The family know this adoption took place.William was deceased by the time of the marriage.Dorothy married George Harris in Hawkhurst, Kent.It seems the couple took in young children.My grandmother could remember travelling to Hawkhurst by coach.She was about 5.I agree it is most unusual.I have asked my father and he can remember Lillian visiting.I have had the train of thought that maybe Emily Parker was a relative of some sort.It seems a long way to send a child at that time.
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I found a mistake on one of her children's birth records it was entered as Blake crossed out and Parker put in.I think I can post this as her daughter is now deceased too.Her daughter died in 1985.Can I post this do you think.
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I knew the Parkers had adopted her by talking to family and by the marriage certificate.The 1911 census states she was born in Ludgershall.
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Lilian may have married after Dorothy was born - I very much doubt she was married at the time of her birth hence the "adoption". There was no legal adoption at that time - just informal arrangements between the parties concerned.
I also suspect that Blake may well be Lilians married name which would account for why there is no Dorothy Blake birth in Pewsey
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Hi Carole,
How did you make the link to the Parkers.I never mentioned it in my first post.Very curious.
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Do you think that Blake could have been Lillian's maiden name.So Dorothy being born out of wedlock may not have fitted in to the new marriage.Maybe she had to make a huge choice.
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When I couldn't find a Dorothy Blake with the profile you gave - I searched just on Dorothy.
If the birthplace of Ludgershall is correct - and assuming her age in 1911 is correct - she must have been born between 1902-March 1903.
Every birth for a Dorothy in Pewsey for that period has a middle name. However - there is a Dorothy Dunford born in the Sept qtr of 1903 but she can be accounted for in 1911
Looking at the possible Parker marriage in 1892 Sussex - Emily's maiden name was Knight.
Do you think that Blake could have been Lillian's maiden name.So Dorothy being born out of wedlock may not have fitted in to the new marriage.Maybe she had to make a huge choice.
No - as my reply above - I think Blake was Lilians married name. If it was her maiden name - there would be a Dorothy Blake birth in Pewsey
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there is a a middle name for Dorothy and that is Maud.Couldn't find the marriage to knight.will look again.Cannot find a Lillian married to a Blake as yet.Dorothy's given date of birth was 10th March.
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Couldn't find the marriage to knight.will look again.
From freebmd
Marriages December qtr 1892
Emily Knight Brighton 2b 530
William Parker Brighton 2b 530
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She married as Parker not Blake in 1920 - and died in 1992 - birthdate given as 10.3.1903
Looking at Wiltshire births for March & June qtrs 1903 there are 2 Dorothy Maud and one Dorothy M
Dorothy M Stancombe - Malmesbury
Dorothy Maud Neave - Stockbridge
Dorothy Maud Smith - Bradford on Avon
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Hi Carole.
I have found the marriage but cannot trace Emily knight.
I have also researched all the Dorothys you have listed and they can be traced through on the 1911 census.
The key maybe to find Emily Knight's family.
This is so confusing.I can't be the only one longing for the 1921 census.I really don't understand why Dorothy could have been adopted. Nor as it happens can I trace Nita or Hilda Young.All avenues seem to come to a dead end.
Thanks for you time to look.
Sue
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You would need a copy of the Knight/Parker marriage cert to trace Emily back but I doubt you will find any connection. They appear to be a childless couple who took in children
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How about a very long shot of Dorothy Maud Simpkins born Dec quarter 1904 in Cricklade district.
There is also a Lilian Swain Simpkins born 1881 Chippenham, never married.
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Her death reg shows her birthdate as 10.3.1903
She married as Parker not Blake in 1920 - and died in 1992 - birthdate given as 10.3.1903
The Dorothy Simpkins born Cricklade can be found with parents in 1911