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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: myluck! on Friday 09 January 15 12:38 GMT (UK)
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Thomas JOHNSTON married Matilda Marguerite MURPHY
on May 6th 1889 in Ballydax Church, Co. Kildare
He was a soldier and she a milliner but could someone with more knowledge and better eyesight be able to decipher his rank/profession as given on the marriage certificate please
If anyone has further information on the couple it would also be appreciated
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Looks to me like
2nd, then a bit I cant make out, then Sergeant going on to the second line ( hyphen at end of first), then ACC.
Not a lot of help, I know!
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2nd C H Sergeant, ACC, perhaps but I don't know if that even means anything.
Mike
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I did wonder if it was C. St., maybe short for Cold Stream as in Cold Stream Guards?
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Or is it 2nd Cpl - Sergeant ACC ?
I wondered about C St too. Can't find anything like that by googling though.
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Can it be 2nd Company Staff Sergeant?
Regards
Malky
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Thanks all
I am hoping to locate his army records and have been unsuccessful looking for a Thomas Johnston to date that fits the information located
He had a daughter Eveleen/Eveline/Evelyn that was born in Aldershot in 1896
His wife Matilda died in 1900 in England
Eveleen was on the 1901 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Newbridge/Eyre_Street/1443029/) and 1911 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Newbridge_Urban/Oldconnell__part_of__Urban_/568930/) census in Kildare with her maternal uncle
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What does he give as occupation on Evelyns birth and christening?
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Try the Armed Forces Board, they are great at this stuff.
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Would they have had any other children ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Kildare/Kildare_Barrack/1440690/
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I await the birth certificate of Evelyn
If I am correct the Eveleen living with the Murphys is the Evelyn who married Joseph Partridge
On this marriage certificate her father was Thomas Johnson Soldier
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Uncanny that a Thomas Johnson should end up here
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Newbridge_Urban/Eyre_Street/568457/
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Well done dathai on the 1901 census which I have just have had time to read in detail
I had found the 1911 which is where I had made my connections from
I didn't want to confuse the issue with too much surmising initially!
In full
FACTS:
Evelyn JOHNSON m Joseph PARTRIDGE Feb 11 1920 Naas 1920 Q1 V2 P807
Evelyn was described as a School Teacher and her father was Thomas JOHNSON Soldier
She died May 06 1948 Naas 1948 Q2 V2 P438 aged 53 implying she born c1895
On her death cert she was described as a retired School Teacher
It was thought she was born in Kildare as she was Kildare based all her life
ASSUMPTIONS:
The only Evelyn JOHNSON (or variation of the name) of the correct approximate age
is the child living with her uncle and aunt James and Ellen MURPHY
but shown as born in Aldershot, England on both census returns
In 1901 they were at 49.2 Eyre Street, Newbridge and in 1911 at 15 Old Connell, Newbridge
In 1911 a Thomas JOHNSON was living with Laurence MURPHY and his family at 22 Eyre Street, Newbridge
I have searched and found marriages of
- James MURPHY (F) James MURPHY Plasterer m Ellen McCORMACK Sept 21 1892
- Matilda Marguerite MURPHY (F) James MURPHY Builder m Thomas JOHNSTON May 06 1889
- Laurence MURPHY (F) James MURPHY Builder m Mary Anne MULROONEY Apr 27 1908
which makes me hopeful that I have located the correct Evelyn
Also Mary Anne MURPHY (nee MULROONEY) was a school teacher
and at that time people tended to follow relatives into that career path
Now that dathai has located the 1901 census for a Thomas JOHNSTON aged 9
who could be the same THOMAS JOHNSON aged 20 in 1911 with Laurence
and that his birthplace is shown as Aldershot in 1901
I am going to look at records there again as I had ruled out the Kildare births for the period
Once I can prove her parents I can complete a family tree to Gx2 GP for a friend!
Of course next I will be trying to find out who the previous generation was!!!
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with thanks to km1971 on the military board I now know that this reads
2nd Class Staff Sergeant
and that ACC most likely stands for Army Commissariat (& Transport) Corps
LINK for reference (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=709760.new#new)
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Received the certificates ordered
1890 Birth Thomas JOHNSON Farnham Surrey Q2 V2a P98
1894 Birth Eveline JOHNSON Farnham Surrey Q2 V2a P105
1896 Birth Margaret JOHNSON Farnham Surrey Q2 V2a P98
Death 1897 Farnham Surrey Q1 V2a P67 aged 0
Parents to all were Thomas JOHNSON and Matilda Marguerite MURPHY
1900 Death Matilda Marguerite JOHNSON Farnham Surrey Q4 V2a P74
Presumably Thomas and Eveline were sent to relatives in Ireland by their father
I located one military record for Thomas Johnson but unfortunately it was not more informative to locate Thomas's parents, he was originally from Yorkshire; nor to locate him after 1911
I am 90% confident that the Eveline born in Aldershot and shown on the 1901 and 1911 census with her aunt and uncle grew up to be the teacher who married Joseph Partridge in Kildare.
Any further information that anyone can provide would always be welcomed and thank you to all who helped
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There is a 9 year old Joseph Partridge from the Curragh March 1906 a witness in a serious court case in the Kildare Observer. One or two sport related which I didn't look at, and Mr. And Mrs Partridge attended a funeral In 1931.
http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/#panel=home
The search is giving trouble so don't be surprised if it doesn't work.
Joseph Partridge principal of Clongory school
http://www.kildare.ie/ehistory/index.php/the-church-on-the-hill-a-fifty-year-celebration/
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Thanks Sinannn
I have had far more success with the Partridge family thank the Johnsons
but I will follow up as it may lead me to locate the origins of the Johnsons
Joseph Partridge was also a teacher and heavily involved in the local community
He married Evelyn in 1920 and remarried after her death in 1948
Thomas Johnson jnr (with thanks to dathai) was on the 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Newbridge_Urban/Eyre_Street/568457/) as a carpenter and I have found him recorded in trade papers up to the early 1930s
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Hi there!
Well, this is really exciting and I don't really know where to start but here goes...
I've recently been searching for information on my 'mysterious' great grandfather, from whom I get my surname. I didn't even know his first name, or the first name of his wife and you've just provided me with that information, along with a host more, so thank you so much!
Some information for you:
My grandfather was Thomas Johnson (jr.) and he had a sister, Eveleen (Eve) who, I can confirm for you, did indeed marry Joe Partridge as you speculated.
All we knew was that my great grandfather was a soldier (possibly a sergeant) in the British Army, stationed in Newbridge, who married a local Murphy girl. The marriage was frowned upon by her family and the belief was that they eloped to England. It was uncertain as to where Thomas jr and Eveleen were born, which you have now answered. I don't believe that my family ever that knew they had a sister who died in infancy, so thank you for that discovery, albeit a sad one.
By the way, I was told that my great grandfather was in the Royal Horse Artillery. They were based in Newbridge Barracks until 1890, when they were disbanded, so that might explain the move to England, as opposed to an elopement?
Oh, and I'd say the location on their Wedding Cert is actually "Ballysax" Church, which is a small townland on the Curragh.
We understood that my great grandmother (and possibly my great grandfather) died in England around 1900, and her uncle, Laurence Murphy, travelled to England to bring them back to Newbridge.
It now appears that Eveleen moved in with her uncle James and his wife Ellen, while Thomas eventually was living with Laurence and his family by 1911.
I'm fascinated however by the 1901 Census entry for Thomas Johnson - why was he living as a "Boarder" in Kildare Barracks at such a young age? Perhaps he was in Military School?
It would also be fantastic to find out more about my great grandfather, Sergeant Thomas Johnston. You mentioned he was born in Yorkshire, but I wonder what happened to him after his wife died and his children moved to Ireland? Any advice on how to access his full Military Record would be greatly appreciated.
Here's some information on my family...
Thomas Johnson served in the IRA during the War of Independence and in the National Army during the Civil War. I've been told he was close to Michael Collins and was one of the last people to see him alive before he was assassinated as he was stationed in Cork at that time.
At some point after the Civil War, he returned to civilian life as a carpenter. He married Annie Reen from Bandon, who he met while stationed there, and they settled in Newbridge in the house where my mother still lives.
They had two sons, Teddy (Peter) - deceased - and John, my father, also deceased. Annie died and Thomas re-married Elizabeth Walsh. They had two sons, one currently living in the US and the other currently in Australia. They will be especially excited to read this thread - they've never known the first names of their paternal grandparents or where their father was born.
Thomas Johnson died in the early 1970s.
Teddy married Hilda and they had seven children. John married Rose and they had three: me, my sister and my brother. My other uncles are single.
As regards Eveleen's side of the family, the Partridges, I must admit I'm not that well-connected to that branch although I believe many of them still live in Newbridge (I haven't lived there since 1987). However, my mother stays in touch and will I'm sure be delighted to pass on this information to them.
Sorry, I know that this has been a tsunami of a post, it's just so exciting to find out so much precious information in one go. Please let me know if I can provide you with any more information.
I really look forward to hearing from you soon.
Regards,
TomJ
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Thomas Johnson is in the Nation Army Census 1922 Stationed in Brandon Cork, next of kin his sister in Newbridge but it doesn't give her name.
http://census.militaryarchives.ie/
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Hi Sinann,
Thanks for that, it's really interesting to see and another valuable addition to our jigsaw puzzle!
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TomJ
Hello and welcome!
Eveleen/Evelyn's Great-grandchild is my godchild and I researched the family in an attempt to create a family tree as a birthday gift for a significant birthday
As I am related through the other side of the family I had to research the Partridge/Johnson side and it took some digging!
I am delighted to receive confirmation that I am correct in what I located
I have copies of civil certificates from the UK and Ireland that I can pass on (I will send you a PM with my email) that tie everyone together.
The military records of Thomas Johnson are online and I see you found the other forum topic with the link to these
Interestingly on the marriage certificate his father is shown as Thomas but on the military records it is Francis John - I would be inclined to side with the military records
Thomas was still alive in 1907 as this is the year he was discharged from the army however as his name is very common it is very difficult to place where he was after this
Matilda Marguerite died in 1900 n Aldershot - I have her death certificate
When I get back home I'll go through what I have and let you know