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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: Barnsey on Sunday 11 January 15 03:11 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I am trying to find out any information about my Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather,Hungerford Whitfield, who lived in Oaksey,Wiltshire in the 1840/1850's.He had a son also called Hungerford, but I am not descended from him, but rather from his daughter, Grace who was possibly an unmarried mother at the time of my ancestor's birth.I read somewhere on the net that Hungerford may have been married several times(?) but I can't find any information anywhere on this.
The Wilts County Register of Persons charged with Indicabe Offences shows on the 18th October, 1842 he was imprisoned for one month for assaulting a Police Officer, I should like to find out more about this.
Basically, if you go into Oaksey Church Graveyard, there is a Gravestone for Mary, wife of Hungerford who died in 1846 aged 53 and there are several other Gravestones to other Whitfields which are virtually unreadable although I can make out a Thomas aged 72.
I have also read of a Hungerford Whitfield in Poole Keynes a while ago, is he the same person?Poole Keynes is close to Oaksey.
Can anyone help me work out any of this or point me in the right direction? I am sorry to be so vague but I am clearly out of my depth here. Many thanks Barnsey.
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A quick search on familysearch revealed some surprising results. I was expecting to find one or two with such a distinctive first name, but there are several individuals over several counties. The likely candidate for yours is a Hungerford Whitfield baptised 19 Oct 1817 at Oaksey, Wiltshire, son of Hungerford Whitfield and Mary (or is the son you mentioned?). Do you have an age or approximate date of birth for the Hungerford you are interested in?
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Is this the family with his daughter, your ancestor?
1851 census
all born in Oaksey Malmesbury Wiltshire
Hongerford Whitfield 56 widower labourer
Grace Whilfield 27 daughter
Mary Whilfield 4 grndau
Anne Whilfield 2 grndau
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There is a Whitfield public tree on ancestry, just gives the one marriage to Mary. (But does not mean that other marriages did not happen, but not easy to fit in with dates of birth of children and death of Mary and censuses etc.)
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FindMyPast has a marriage licence for a Hungerford Whitfield (bachelor and yeoman) of Ashton Keynes and Mary Cook spinster of Latton, Wilts marriage to take place at Ashton Keynes. The bondsman is John Poole butcher of Highworth. The licence is dated 6 May 1795, so would be the generation before the Hungerford found on 1851 census.
There is also a marriage for the same couple but it says at Latton and only gives year of 1795. Both are transcripts unfortunately - no images of actual records.
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There is quite a bit of information to be had on the Oaksey page of the Wiltshire OPC. There was a family of Whitfield with children baptised in the 1780's, then none until your Hungerford Whitfield, and also a Lancelot Whitfield.
Quite possibly the earlier family of Thomas and Elizabeth and children moved away to another parish.
Added after reading LizzieL's post: Maybe Ashton Keynes is a good place to start.
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Another marriage licence Hungerford Whitfield again bachelor and yeoman to Mary Watley spinster. His parish was Oaksey, her parish was Cirencester, Glos. Dated 1 Sep 1813. Bondsman John Harding, Wheelwright of Ashton Keynes. This is more likely the Hungerford on the 1851 census and the Mary who would have been born iabout 1793.
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According to the Oaksey marriage transcripts on the OPC site, Thomas Whitfield of Ashton Keynes married Elizabeth Oatridge in 1779. Ashton Keynes keeps coming up. It's a pity Ashton Keynes is not available on the OPC. Nor is it available on familysearch it seems.
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More recent marriage Hungerford Whitfield married either Mary Horsel or Elizabeth Smith. This was registered Q4 1837, so just scraped into civil registration period. The reg district was Malmesbury, whichg should cover locations of interest. This could be the Hungerford son of the one on 1851 census and sister of Grace. Bride would have to be confirmed either from buying cert or hopefully from a census.
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Posted that before checking next entry on FindMyPast. More details of marriage
Hungerford Whitfield married Mary Horsell at Brinkworth, groom age 20 father also Hungerford Whitfield. Bride's age transcribed as 190000, but guess it should be 19, her father William Horsell.
Transcript only gives year 1837, not actual date of marriage.
1841 census for Brinkworth has Hungerford (b abt 1896) yeoman, Mary (same age) and Grace age 15. No relationships shown in 1841, but assume Mary is wife and Grace daughter. Mary was not born in county (Wilts) Hungerford and Grace were. This would match with the Mary Watley from Cirencester Glos
And prison record 18 Oct 1842, Devizes prison Hungerford Whitfield decribed as th elder birth year abt 1791 and on same day Hungerford Whitfield birth year abt 1817
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have found two newspaper articles linked to the prison record
Hungerford jnr got 3 months and snr got 1 month and £5 fine. It mentions Hungerford Whitfield assaulting PC George Moore at Brinkworth but not clear whether it was elder or younger Hungerford.
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Hi Barnsey,
I have also read of a Hungerford Whitfield in Poole Keynes a while ago, is he the same person?Poole Keynes is close to Oaksey.
Can anyone help me work out any of this or point me in the right direction? I am sorry to be so vague
Just incase this helps, there is this marriage in East Challow, Berks;
1-4-1804 Hungerford Whitfield, of Goosey
Elizabeth Painter, otp
Wits; Ann Whitfield, Sarah Painter, Joseph King
By Licence.**
I looked at Goosey but that was part of Stanford in the Vale parish until 1850.
Stanford in the Vale;
There are these marriages listed;
27-12-1742 Hungarford Whitfield, bach, & Sarah Giles, sp, By Banns
30-12-1789 Hungerford Whitfield, bach & Elizabeth Hunter, minor.
"were married in this church with consent of parents" **
8-10-1885 Hungerford Whitfield, wid, full age, publican, s/o William, Labr
to Jane Cole, sp, full age, d/o Henry.Wheelwright.
Taken from the transcripts issued by the Oxon FHS.
I would think they all came from the same family along the line
**In the Wilts Marriage Licence Bonds CD (ex Wlits FHS) I have found acouple of entries pertinant to the above;
#36945 Hungerford Whitfield, Wid & Elizabeth Painter of East Challow
Bondsman; James Painter, East Challow 4-3-1804
#58722 Hungerford Whitfield, bac, & Elizabeth Hunter, minor, Stanford, Berks, d/o Thomas
Bondsman; John Pike, householder, Wantage, Berks 26-3-1789
There may a couple more for a Hungerford Whitfield in the Licences CD but have only listed those connected with above.
Alan
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I would like to thank everyone for their help in this.After posting my enquiry I was galvanised into looking on the internet where I found a transcription of the Will of Thomas Whitfield of Oaksey . It would appear that Hungerford was his son, as well as Lancelot.These names seem to crop up in the history of the area more than once, so I am going to somehow have to unravel the genetic threads going back in time.Regarding the helpful comments from Lizzie,I would like to ask Lizzie if the newspaper articles she mentions in 1842 mention the back ground behind the assault on the policeman.Also thank you for finding that 1841 census,that one eluded me.
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8-10-1885 Hungerford Whitfield, wid, full age, publican, s/o William, Labr
to Jane Cole, sp, full age, d/o Henry.Wheelwright.
I've found a newspaper article - Berks Chronicle 16 Dec 1865 - which reports that the licence of the Crown at Chilton was tranferred from Hungerford Whitfield to William Spires.
This could be connected to above.
My great uncle was born in Chilton (1887) and given the christian name Hungerford. I have not found any relative with that name either as christian name or surname. Nor is there any obvious family connection with town of same name, even though the family was from Berkshire. I had concluded he must have been named after a close friend and some time ago had identified Hungerford Whitfield of Chilton as a possibilty. Interesting that there were Hungerfords in Challow as my family came from there a generation previous to moving to Chilton.
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And another newspaper article - 15 May 1858 Reading Mercury - Hungerford Whitfield of Goosey publican summoned for having an unstamped measure in his possession - fined 9 shillings.
One of the magistrates was E H Morland. From my previous post - Mr Morland was also on the bench for the transfer of the licence of the Crown, but it was reported that he retired for that case. This probably indicates that the Crown belonged to Morland's brewery.
And an earlier article - Oxford Journal 14 Oct 1820 Hungerford Whitfield was mentioned as tenant of a farm in Goosey which was being advertised for sale by the owner.
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I've been looking at more of the Berkshire Whitfields in and around Stanford in the vale. There is a marriage licence for a Lancelot Whitfield to a Mary Hatt 4 May 1793. Both were of Stanford in the Vale.
So not only several Hungerfords in both Wilts and Berks but a Lancelot in each county.
Co-incidence??
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A few Ashton Keynes parish registers are transcribed on the Wilts opc website.
Among the marriages is Lancelot Whitfield to Ann Carter 4 Oct 1772 at Ashton Keynes.
There is a baptism for a Lancelot Carter Whitfield in Wantage Berks (on Ancestry) on 22 Aug 1773 parents Lancelot and Ann.
This is sounding like more than coincidence and there is a connection with the Whitfields in Wiltshire and those in Berkshire.
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I take it you know where Hungerford is. A4 Bath Road between Newbury and Marlborough. Wiltshire and Berkshire are adjacent. All the place names so far are 'in theatre'.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the first of the line to be called Hungerford was named after the place, either directly as christian name (born there?) or from a surname of someone who married into the family whose surname was originally derived from the place.
Going back to Thomas Whitfield of Oaksey's will.
A bit of more on his children named in the will
All baptisms in Oaksey
Lancelot Whitfield bapt 24 feb 1780
Thomas bapt 29 Aug 1781
Elizabeth 20 May 1783
Ann 28 Dec 1784
Sarah 9 Nov 1786
Marriages at Oaksey
Elizabeth Whitfield married John Harding of Ashton Keynes 14 Sep 1809 by lic
Sarah Whitfield married Thomas Flowers of Minety 12 Apr 1810 by lic
Ann Whitfield married Henry Wallace of Stanton St Quintin 19 Jul 1814 by lic
Mary Whitfield married Joseph Lendall (sic) of Batheaston Somerset 2 May 1817 by lic
Mary is Mary Sandall on will transcription but Lendall in marriage record. As both are transcriptions don't know which is correct - both seem plausible surnames - census records and baptisms of children (if any) should sort it out.
Haven't found baptisms of Mary, Olive and Hungerford, I would guess they were younger than the others and possibly baptised somewhere else. In the census Hungerford's year of birth is approx 1795, Mary is the last of the four married daughters to get married which may indicate she is younger than them.
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I don't know how far back the name 'Hungerford' goes but it's a rare gift. Did a search on Family Search (LDS/Mormons). Earliest date I found was 1723. Mostly Wilts. and Berks. but some offshoots, Hants. Ryde IOW, and Cornwall.
Quite frankly the old fiches, last one 1992, are the best. If you're really lucky, a whole family line jumps off the pages all the way back to 1538. I found one such from my wider family in Somerset. The fiches were put on CD and sold, but no more.
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Ancestry has banns record for Oaksey for Thomas Whitfield of Ashton Keynes and Elizabeth Oatridge otp dated 13 May 1779. This date is probably 3rd reading.
This looks like the Thomas who died in 1833.
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Ancestry has banns record for Oaksey for Thomas Whitfield of Ashton Keynes and Elizabeth Oatridge otp dated 13 May 1779. This date is probably 3rd reading.
This looks like the Thomas who died in 1833.
As noted in reply #7. ;)
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I take it you know where Hungerford is. A4 Bath Road between Newbury and Marlborough. Wiltshire and Berkshire are adjacent. All the place names so far are 'in theatre'.
There is also Farleigh Hungerford just across the border of Wiltshire, in Somerset. This though got it's name from the Hungerfords who bought it in the 1300's.
Interestingly, the Hungerford family name is supposed to derive from Hungerford in Berkshire.
If you read the following link you will note that Down Ampney features in their history. Down Ampney is less than 10 miles from Oaksey.
http://www.geni.com/projects/Hungerford-Family/11835
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If you google "Hungerford Whitfield" (using the inverted commas), you will find several online trees of various researchers; the most interesting was http://www.rmchalmers.net/p212.htm#i8641 .
Obviously subject to further investigation of your own, but it seems the Whitfield lines with Hungerford as a forename originated in Gloucestershire in the 17th century. That is of course if they haven't all copied one another.
Edited: On further investigation, the earliest Whitfield was from Ashton Keynes in Wiltshire, according to the site mentioned above.
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Ancestry has banns record for Oaksey for Thomas Whitfield of Ashton Keynes and Elizabeth Oatridge otp dated 13 May 1779. This date is probably 3rd reading.
This looks like the Thomas who died in 1833.
As noted in reply #7. ;)
I don't see an actual date mentioned in reply #7.
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... the most interesting was http://www.rmchalmers.net/p212.htm#i8641 .
Obviously subject to further investigation of your own, but it seems the Whitfield lines with Hungerford as a forename originated in Gloucestershire in the 17th century. That is of course if they haven't all copied one another.
Edited: On further investigation, the earliest Whitfield was from Ashton Keynes in Wiltshire, according to the site mentioned above.
Good find Pinefamily!
This site does seem to have all the information that we have all found between us and more.
One interesting thing is Robert Whitfield bapt 21 Oct 1699, the site has no further information on him apart from his father was Lancelot and siblings were Elyzabeth (sic), Thomas, Jeremiah, Hungerford and Sarah. The earliest Whitfield I have found in Berkshire with Hungerford / Lancelot connections was a Robert who was born in 1699 according to his age at burial. The Berkshire Robert married Eleanora (don't know where or when) and had eight known children (among them a Hungerford, Sarah, Thomas and Robert jnr), the early ones in Radley, Berks, the later ones in Stanford in the Vale. Both Eleanor and Robert were buried in Stanford it V. I haven't found birth for either Robert or Eleanora in that area. Robert's son Hungerford had another Hungerford and a Jeremiah (another name occuring on the on line tree) in Garford Berks. Robert's son Robert had several children including yet another Hungerford and a Lancelot. Unusual name recurring again!.
This looks like the best possibility of a connection between the Berkshire and the Wiltshire Whitfields so far.
If you plot the Berks villages - Radley, Garford, Stanford it Vale - and Oaksey / Ashton Keynes on a map they all lie in an arc skirting the north of the Berkshire Downs, so migration around this area does seem feasible.
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And from the on line tree it looks like the Thomas from Oaksey who died in 1833 was the son of Hungerford (1722) and Betty (?) and was bapt 30 Nov 1752. This fits with Thomas's age at death of 80 in 1833. The Thomas on the on line tree had siblings Olive, Lancelot and Hungerford, all names the the Oaksey Thomas used for his children.
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And from the on line tree it looks like the Thomas from Oaksey who died in 1833 was the son of Hungerford (1722) and Betty (?) and was bapt 30 Nov 1752. This fits with Thomas's age at death of 80 in 1833. The Thomas on the on line tree had siblings Olive, Lancelot and Hungerford, all names the the Oaksey Thomas used for his children.
I had the same thought; obviously needs confirmation, although I would be willing to accept it given the naming patterns, and his age.
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I did have a look at both the Wiltshire and Berkshire Visitations, but there were no Whitfields, nor any obvious connection to the Hungerford family.
I am curious where the name came from in the first place.
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Looking at the on-line tree, the first Hungerford cropped up as the fourth child of a Lancelot. This Hungerford was baptised in 1692. Unfortunately no mother's name is mentioned as was quite common in old records. Hungerford could be his mother's maiden surname.
It's a pity so few of Ashton Keynes records are on line, so we could see if there are any Hungerford families there i the right time frame.
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looking at Hungerford surname on Wiltshire OPC transcriptions in area of interest, all I found was
marriage on 10 July Ashton keynes betwee Johes (sic) Hungerford and Dorethea A-Arram (sic)
I presume christian names would be latinised at this time and groom might be John (latin abbrev for Johannes?) but the bride's surname is a mystery. Can't find anything similar in the register.
And a burial in Brinkworth for Mrs Katherine Hungerford on 13 Nov 1688, her residence was The Lea
not really any help.
Ancestry has a marriage for Whitfield Hungerford (names reversed) to Betty Guest on 15 Nov 1750 at Kemble wilts, it says his residence was Ashton keynes. So looks like the lady who was down as Betty(?) in the on line tree.
Ancestry also has marriage of the HW who married Mary Cook (reply #4) transcribed as Whitfield Hungerford taking place at Latton Wilts on 12 May 1795. This matches up with the licence dated 6th May 1795. confirms groom res: Ashton Keynes, bride: otp.
Can't see this marriage on the on-line tree and not sure where he would fit. Unless he is Thomas (1752) brother - although he would be about 40 when married, but could be his second one.
Added: Forget that, just seen on line tree has his death as an infant
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Hi All,
Strangely I have just transcribed the Will of a Hungerford Whitefield married to an Elizabeth of East Challow. Berkshire. He died ca 1824 and was a Yeoman of Charney Wick Farm, in Charney Hamlet, in parish of Longworth, Berkshire [ now in Oxfordshire]
The National Archives Cat Ref: PROB11/1682/25
Must be same family: "all my children Levi, Avery, William, Joseph,
Robert,Elizabeth and Ann Whitefield" Witnesses to Will: Lancelot Whitfield:
Wm Davies of Wantage
Executor: 'My Friend Robert Hammans of Marcham. Malster'
His interesting name made me Google.
Cheers
I had also found he possibly married Elizabeth Painter.
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Just found this: relating to Wantage Town
The governors of the town lands also administer the charity of Mrs. Sarah Whitfield, who in her lifetime gave £200 and at her death in 1832 bequeathed £100 for the use of the old almshouses in Newbury Street. These sums are represented by £325 16s. 9d. consols, with the official trustees, producing £8 2s. 6d. yearly, which is applied in the maintenance of all the almshouses.
Hope it helps in some way.
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That will could be very useful. It links to some of the people mentioned in replies 12 - 15. It is very likely that this Hungerford is the one who married Elizabeth Painter (in 1804). As he was a widower then it is also possible his first wife was Elizabeth Hunter (1789 marriage). Elizabeth Hunter was a minor, so it is likely that Hungerford wasn't much over 21 himself.
Is there anything in the will that indicates two marriages?
The Lancelot who is a witness to the will could be the one who married Mary Hatt in 1793. The licence refers to them both being from Stanford in the Vale.
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Hi LizzieL,
You might be interested in these marriages (Licences - haven't had time to check for actual marriage yet);
4-3-1804 Hungerford Whitfield, of Goosey, berks , Wid to
Elizabeth Painter, of East Challow.
b/m; James Painter, East Challow
26-3-1789 Hungerford Whitfield, of Stanford, Berks, Bac to
Elizabeth Hunter, minor, Stanford, Berks. d/o Thomas
b/m; John Pike, householder, Wantage, Berks
14-8-1802 Hungerford Whitfield, wid, of West Challow to
Esther Smith, of Stanford (Goosey), sp,
b/m; Thomas Price Belcher, Kingston Lisle.
The dates refer to the date of issue of licence.
There are two other marriages involving a Hungerford Whitfield but I don't think they are the same
person. Will list later if you consider they're worthwhile.
Alan
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Hi LizzieL,
As promised,
Marriages for Hungerford Whitfield;
East Challow
1-4-1804 to Elizabeth Painter, otp,
wits; Ann Whitfield, Sarah Painter, Joseph King.
Stanford in the Vale;
30-3-1789 to Elizabeth Hunter, sp, minor, with consent of parents.
wits; nil listed
Burials;
Stanford;
8-11-1801 Elizabeth Whitfield, w/o Hungerford.
12-1-1803 Esther " " " (of Goosey)
22-5-1822 Avery " , Stanford, aged 48
20-7-1823 Hungerford " , of Charney Wick, aged 58
Marriage Licences taken out;
6-5-1795 Hungerford Whitfield, Yeo, of Ashton Keynes, Bac, to
Mary Cook, sp, of Latton, Wilts.
b/m; John Poole, Butcher, Highworth, Wilts
marriage took place on 12-5-1795 in Latton. Has been recorded as; Hungerford, Whitfield (1st name)
1-9-1813 Hungerford Whitfield, Yeo, of Oaksey, Wilts, Bac to
Mary Watty, of Cirencester, Glos, Sp.
b/m; John Harding, Wheelwright, Ashton Keynes.
haven't found this marriage.
Hope these help.
Alan
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The Hungerford to Mary Watty / Watly marriage took place on 9 Sep 1813 in Cirencester. image of record on Ancestry.
witnesses were James Parsons and Maria Spary.
So the Hungerford who died in 1823 had another wife (Esther) briefly between the two Elizabeths. According to the will he had a daughter Avery. The Avery buried in 1822 would be about 9 years his junior, possibly a sister and he named a daughter after her.
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Hungerford (died 1823) age at death gives a birth year about 1765. This is a good match for Hungerford bapt 16 jan 1765 s/o Robert and Anne (nee Strong) Whitfield. Robert and Anne also had a son Lancelot bapt 31 Dec 1766, but not found an Avery born abt 1774 yet. Robert Whitfield married Anne Strong on 15 Aug 1757 at Stanford itV. He was abt 24 (calc from baptism). If she was similar or a bit younger it would be quite possible for her to give birth in 1774.
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Hi LizzieL
Stanford in the Vale;
Avery Whifield bapt. 23-1-1774 s/o Robert & Ann - (as this entry is immediately below
another "s/o" ......... its possibly an error - only a check can verify whether it should be a daughter)
Alan
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No it doesn't say anything like 'my now wife' all it says referring to his wife is:
I give and bequeath unto my dear Wife Elizabeth for her own use absolutely or
the Legacy or Sum of Three hundred Pounds of lawful British money
No other clue.
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I've found two Averys and both were male, I don't know why I thought it was a girl's name!
The two I've found were son of Hungerford and the first Elizabeh and the son of his brother Lancelot and his wife Mary nee Hatt. (from familysearch).
The children I have found for Hungerford and Elizabeth Hunter are
i. LEVI WHITFIELD, b. Bef. 22 Aug 1790, Stanford in the Vale.
ii. AVERY WHITFIELD, b. Bef. 10 Jun 1792.
iii. WILLIAM WHITFIELD, b. Bef. 11 Nov 1793 presumably died before 1798
iv. ELIZABETH WHITFIELD, b. Bef. 22 Feb 1795.
v. ANN WHITFIELD, b. Bef. 16 Oct 1796, Stanford in the Vale; d. Bef. 07 Dec 1801.
vi. WILLIAM WHITFIELD, b. Bef. 01 Jul 1798, West Challow.
vii. JOSEPH WHITFIELD, b. Bef. 20 Oct 1799, West Challow.
Hungerford and Esther had one child
viii. ANN WHITFIELD, b. Bef. 27 Aug 1803, Stanford in the Vale; d. Bef. 30 Oct 1803
and with Elizabeth Painter
ix. ROBERT WHITFIELD, b. Bef. 19 Feb 1805.
x. ANNE WHITFIELD, b. Bef. 31 Jul 1814.
Levi, William and Joseph appear on 1841 and later censuses in the Stanford itv area.
Avery is in Cricklade in 1841 with wife and 3 children, one son called Hungerford.
Robert might be the one buried on 6 Mar 1851 in Wantage, but I can't find him in 1841.
Ann and Elizabeth may have married, so would be more difficult to track down on censuses unless they died before 1841.
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Hi LizzieL,
This may not be relevant at present but will add for the future;
Stanford;
Bapt;
27-12-1733 Robert Whitfield s/o Robert & Eleanor.
North Hinksey;
Marriage;
29-1-1720 Robert Whitfield to Ellen Swadlin
(no other info listed)
Shellingford;
Marriage;
10-9-1759 Robert Whitfield, of Stanford to
Mary Brittain
By licence.
Licence dated 7-9-1759 and reads;
Robert Whitfield, Yeo, Stanford in the Vale, to Mary Brittain, Wid, of Shellingford, Berks
B/M; Benjamin Kimber, Inn Holder, Faringdon, Berks
Stanford;
Marriage;
27-12-1742 Hungarford Whitfield to
Sarah Giles, sp. By Banns
Bapt;
9-8-1719 Sarah Giles d/o Thomas & Sarah
Shellingford;
Burial;
29-3-1847 Avery Whitfield, aged 50, Poor House, Faringdon
Maybe something of interest.
Alan
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The will of the Robert who married Ann Strong has been transcribed on OFHS
http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/az/wtext/whitfield_002.html#Transcript
Two of his daughters married Belchers, so I don't know whether the two Belcher grandaughters are sisters or cousins. Or whether the Belvcher bridegrooms are brothers.
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The Robert b abt 1699 and the one I believe moved from Gloucestershire to Berkshire also has will transcript on OFHS
http://wills.oxfordshirefhs.org.uk/az/wtext/whitfield_001.html
He married Eleanor and after her death it looks like he married Mary Brittain as in an earlier post, judging from some of the beneficiaries in the will.