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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: dapperproductions on Sunday 11 January 15 14:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi there, I am trying to trace my ancestors from Armagh who moved to Greenock, Scotland in the late 1800s. The last record I have is of Patrick Boylan and Catherine McGarrity (or Garrity) wedding in September 1865 in Mullabrack. I think Patrick's father was a farmer and also named Patrick, his mother was Mary Doonan. Catherine's parents were Patrick McGarrity and Catherine Duffy. I have traced the family to Scotland, where their son played football for Morton and Woolwich Arsenal. Any help at all would be much appreciated!
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Have you got their marriage record?? If so, it will give the address of bride and groom, father's name and occupation and the name of the church where they married. Lots of clues there.
RosemaryJoan
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Unfortunately, no obvious Boylan or Garrity/McGarrity entries for Mullaghbrack in Griffiths Valuation:
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/armagh/mullaghbrack.php
What occupations were on their marriage? Just wondering if they were both working and living in the area rather than from the area, as I see on a post of yours elsewhere that you think they may have had an Antrim connection.
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According to Roots Ireland the marriage was in 1863 - a church record. If they were Catholic there may not be a Civil record as Catholic marriages only had to be recorded after 1864
5 credits Church Marriage Gerraghty Catherine 1863 Co. Armagh
This matches the Patrick Boylan search.
RosemaryJoan
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Here is a Patrick Boylan in Griffiths in Loughgilly which adjoins Mullaghbrack
Boylan Patrick Ballygorman Loughgilly Armagh
and here is a good wee site with local information
http://www.bygonesandbyways.com/mainmenu.htm
RosemaryJoan
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The Boylan in Ballygorman does indeed sound a good possibility and worth pursuing further.
Interestingly, a Margaret Boylan of Ballygorman died in 1860 and her bequeaths in her will were to her grandchildren, a Patrick Boylan and his sister, Mary Anne Boylan. Details can be read on the PRONI Will Calendars database:
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars.htm
just search using Boylan in 'Surname' box and Ballygorman in 'Full Abstract' box.
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I'm afraid I don't have enough credits to access that Boylan/Gerraghty marriage in 1863 which looks like the one we need. Roots Ireland want another £20 from me to do so!! Perhaps some kind soul who has spare credits would do the needful??
RosemaryJoan
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Many thanks for all of your replies! I only have found this so far:
Date of Marriage: 25-Sep-1863
Parish / District: BALLYMORE County: ARMAGH
Husband Wife
Name: Patrick Boylan Catherine Gerraghty
Address:
Denomination: Roman Catholic Roman Catholic
Occupation:
Age:
Status: Not Married Not Married
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Boylan Gerraghty
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name: Downey Edward Corrigan James
Address:
Notes:
D O'TOOLE//
There's no mention of fathers names, however. Where could I get an actual copy of this wedding certificate?
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There's no mention of fathers names, however. Where could I get an actual copy of this wedding certificate?
There won’t be a wedding certificate for this marriage. (It’s before the start of statutory registration for RC marriages – 1864). All there will be is the entry in the church records (from which this has been taken), which you can get from PRONI, and other sources, but it is unlikely to contain any additional information. All that was generally recorded in RC registers at that time was the couples names, the date of their marriage and the 2 witnesses names. (No fathers names or occupations etc).
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I wonder if this is Patrick's baptism record?
Church Baptism Boylan Patrick 1835 Co. Armagh
It's the only one near enough the right age and from the same source as the wedding.
RosemaryJoan
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Thanks for that, it may well be. I have his death cert, died in 1909 aged 70. His father was Patrick Boylan and listed as a Cooper. From a newly-found 1881 Scotland census, his brother is living with them in Port Glasgow. The brother is a quarryman and named Felix. Later he lives in Glasgow with his sister Anne. Weirdly Felix's death cert has the parents listed as John Boylan (Cooper) and Ann Doonan, but Patrick's death cert has the father as Patrick Boylan (Cooper) and mother Mary Doonan...?
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And then there is another little mystery..Interestingly we have an old letter in the archive which mentions brothers John,Felix & Leon Boylan. John was a cooper to trade, who had a Grocer/Public House at Greens Cross. Felix kept a public house in Kilmarnock, but moved to Liverpool. Then comes the exciting bit.."One of my uncles left the Ordinance Survey and went to the United States. Serving as a Captain in a brush with the Mexicans he received 5 city lots in Atlanta City, that of Georgia"
Can anyone shed any light on this ? I have attached the full note.
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not sure if this is the same family connection, but on family search,there is a marriage for a Mary A Boylin born 1849 with a father Felix Boylin on 29th oct 1868 in Tandragee co armagh. you had mentioned earlier Ballymore, and Ballymore is a Parish/ Townland in Tandragee. there is a RC church in Tandragee.
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Hi,
The marriage took place in Tandragee Roman Catholic Church.
Regards
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on the 1911 census this mary ann McQuade ( maiden name Boylin) is now 63yrs, a widow living with her son James age 36yrs and a 15yr old Phelix Boylin ,listed as a servant. They are living in Ballyvally Mountnorris Armagh. Mary Ann also there with husband and son in 1901 census but I cannot find where Phelix was then ( was trying to find who his parents were to see the connection with Mary ann)
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Thank you folks this is brilliant. The family names do seem to match. If only I could match them all on a census pre 1863. Without that I can't confirm the exact family line.
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Hi,
This may be nothing but the spelling of the parish in Co. Armagh is MULLAGHBRACK. There is a parish in Co. Monaghan called Clones which has a townland of MULLABRACK and in this townland are two households of Boylans. Jane and John Boylan!!!
Regards
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if you haven'y done so already,have a read at the will of Patrick Boyland and one for Felix Boyland of Lenelea Armagh, as they contain many of the names you mention and there are references to sons in USA , San Francisco. PRONI wills.
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applemac this is amazing. I cant find the San Francisco mention though, is there a direct link? Found the Felix Boyland will, stunning!
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http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=567735
hopefully this works ! if not go to PRoni wills calender and search for Patrick Boylan ,in Registry of Armagh. then click on the patrick in Lenelea Co Armagh. this will show brief details ie died 15th jan 1919, then click on "image" to the right of the screen which will bring up 3 pages of his will.
you can read that his wife was Catherine and 7 sons are mentioned, James,Felix,Francis,Joseph (in San Francisco),Patrick ( in America),Thomas (in Belfast) and Edward.
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i also found this web site useful www.igp-web.com/armagh/townlands.
click on townlands E to L then on Lenelea which is in Mullaghbrack civil parish. there are details of what RC marriage and baptism records are available at NLI and at PRONI.
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Daniel O'Toole who performed the marriage of Patrick Boylan was the priest in St. James's R.C. Church, Mullaghbrack. See the link below
http://www.bygonesandbyways.com/mainmenu.htm
and then click on churches.
Perhaps the current priest could help you with records.
RosemaryJoan
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:D Once again many thanks for this excellent help. I have found the 1891 Census Scotland which reveals that Patrick Boylan & Catherine Gerraghty WERE born in Co. Antrim. Sooooo, they must have been in Mullabrack working, probably at the old quarry in Mullabrack Road. My mother remember family holidays much later to Warrenpoint as well. So we are looking for a John Boylan (a cooper)whose children are Patrick, Felix and Ann, in Antrim.
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Here is a entry for two Boylans living in the Parish of Duneane , Co. Antrim in 1861-62
Boylan John Brecart Duneane Antrim
Boylan Patrick Ballymatoskerty Duneane Antrim
this is from Griffiths Valuation
I wonder if this could be father and son??
RosemaryJoan
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Hi guys I have just come across this post, and I think you may be looking for my grandad joe Boylan! My grandad settled in Warrenpoint but was originally from the south x