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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: bourke-shaw on Tuesday 20 January 15 10:26 GMT (UK)
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I would love to know who his parents were.... most of the family trees on Ancestry state William and Jane (nee Patton) as his parents, but his death certificate from Invercargill, NZ, states the name John. I would be most grateful to know if anyone has the correct information for me. :)
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A Greenaway Boyce married in Lurgan District (County Armagh) in 1878. If same chap, his marriage record should name his father (I am confident this will say William) and give a townland/address for Greenaway. Marriage details should be available, at a cost, via, for example:
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Remember, info on death certificates is only as accurate as the knowledge of the person giving the info.
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If you haven't already, contact with this person might be helpful:
Neil Boyce 11th November 2004 22:48
my great grandfather WALKER BOYCEb1849 emigrated to New Zealand c1873 from Ballydugan,County Down,Northern Ireland.He married MARY JEMIMA SLOAN in Invercargill NZ in 1879.
They had 13 children.My grandfather WILLIAM JOHN b1881 married Louisa Catherine Everett 1911.They had 3 children.My father WILLIAM HORACE BOYCE b1914 is still alive.His cousin GORDON ASHER BOYCE travelled to Ireland in the early 1970s and compiled a very comprehensive family tree of the descendants of WILLIAM BOYCEb1818,married JANE PATTON b.c1822at Knocknamuckly Parish County Armagh Northern Ireland 22.4.1841
as found at:
http://www.boycegenes.4t.com/GR_Info_Requests.html
The following is also an interesting thread:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/boyce/messages/683.html
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If your Greenaway's mother was indeed a Patton to her maiden name, then possibly the forename 'Greenaway' came down through the Patton line. See Patton/Bradshaw marriage at :
http://www.bradshaw-ulster.co.uk/FamilyTrees/FT-James1849Breagh.htm
and note that one of the witnesses was a James Henry Boyce.
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Wow - thank you sooo much for all that information that you have kindly given me. I am absolutely delighted. Today, I have followed the leads that you have suggested; I have ordered the marriage certificate although it doesn't look like it has the forename for Greenaway's father... The information from Neil Boyce is precisely what I need too - I don't know how to get in touch with him to see if there is any more information or anything I can help him with. Do you know how I can do that? It would be great to know who were the parents of Gordon Asher Boyce too.
You are quite correct in your suggestion that the Greenaway name came down through the Patton line - I have found a couple of Greenway or Greenaway Pattons, and think that one of them had a mother Mary Greenaway born c.1742 and married a William Patton.
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Neil Boyce has in the past been active on both Genes Reunited and Ancestry. Do you have current membership of either? If you do, you could contact him via same.
Regarding the marriage certificate. When you say you have ordered same, do you mean an actual certificate that will arrive by post? The site I linked to allows you to do this, but it also allow you to purchase credits and view a copy of the certificate immediately online, which is cheaper than ordering an actual certificate that you might not need.
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http://genforum.genealogy.com/ireland/down/messages/17.html
Griffiths Valuation of Ireland - Tullylish, County Down
Greenway Isaac Hill Street,Gilford Tullylish Down
Greenway Isaac Portadown Road,Gilford Tullylish Down
Greenway James Portadown Road,Gilford Tullylish Down
Gilford is a village in County Down, Northern Ireland. The village sits on the River Bann between the towns of Banbridge, Tandragee and Portadown. It covers the townlands of Loughans, Ballymacanallen and Drumaran. Gilford village is in Co Down but Tandragee and Portadown are County Armagh
May be worth you looking on Ros Davis's Co Down site too http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/P/Patton.htm
"................daughter of Greenaway Patton ;........... "
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Thank you so much, iluleah, for your helpful sharing of websites - they are fantastic bits of information to digest.
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And yes, Scotmum, I have actually ordered the certificate from Ireland.... perhaps I didn't need to, as you suggested.... I don't have a subscription to Ancestry (too expensive, although I occasionally use it free at the local library), and Genes Reunited I am trying to organise information from. Will keep trying. I would really like to make contact with Neil Boyce - he sounds like he has a gem of information and sounds like a lovely person that would be happy to share (as it seems so many lovely genealogy people are).
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Willia boyce and jane patton were married at seagoe coi in22/4/1841 unfortunatly before civil registation so it doesnt give parents names.
In1857 they lived in ballydugan townland william 40 jane36 james henry16 john 14 greenaway 12 walker 8 william edward 3 simon1
From my research greenaway is named after his maternal grandfather greenaway patton
Unsure if greenaway was baptised at knocknamuckley althought a lot of his 10 brother and sisters where
Greenaway married mary jane porter in seagoe 1/7/1873
Greenaway boyce full bactilor farmer ballydougan william boyce farmer
Mary jane porter full spinster seagoe john porter farmer
The is a boyce family tree book about william and jane patton i lucked out there was a copy in the linen hall library in. Belfast
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Hi,
It may be of interest but on 2 Apr 1852 Alexander Boyce (father John) married Eliza Ann Patton (father Greenaway) in Tillylish Church of Ireland, Banbridge.
Regards
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Thank you, Davey and Kingskerwell, for all that really useful information. It is so appreciated. Yes, Davey, I do believe that Greenaway Wellington Boyce was baptised at the Knocknamuckly Parish church - on 22 November, 1846.
Re Alexander (father John Boyce) - does anyone know if his (Alexander's) siblings were William, Robert, Thomas? Any more? And who was their mother (John's wife)?
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Hello
Interested in the Boyces of Ballydugan. John Boyce (1815-1897), son of John Boyce and Mary McCormick, was my Gt Gt Grandfather. He married Sarah Ann Forsyth (1820-1902) from Dromore, Co Down in Gilford, Co Down on 18th Nov 1844.
John and Sarah moved to Ayrshire, Scotland and lived their lives there in Girvan, Troon, Saltcoats and Ardrossan, having 11 known children along the way between 1843 and 1862. Among them was my Gt Grandmother, Mary Boyce (1846-1915), who married James Welsh in Glasgow in 1877.
A poor relief application made late in life by John Boyce indicates he was from the parish of Ballydongan, Co Down, Ireland. However, as far as I can determine, there is no place called Ballydongan in Co Down or elsewhere in Ireland for that matter.
If you look closely at the poor relief application, which would have been written by the assessor in Ardrossan, I believe it could either say Ballydongan or Ballydougan?
There seem to be a couple of Ballydugans in Co Down! i understand that locally it was pronounced Ballydougan or Ballydoogan which would explain why the assessor noted it as such.
One Ballydugan lies on the border between Cos Down and Armagh. It lies between Lurgan and Gilford, which would make John and Sarah’s marriage place plausible.
Note Dromore, Co Down (Sarah Ann Forsyth’s said birth place) is not very far either.
Ballydugan is also a townland lying SW of Downpatrick and the road between Downpatrick and Clough is actually called the Ballydugan Rd.
Be pleased if anyone can share any info you have on the Boyces of Ballydugan
David McMillan
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Hi,
Extract of 1841 census for the Boyce family of Ballydugan. (probably used to support a pension application in 1909) This Ballydugan is in the parish of Tullylish.
John Boyce - Head of house Aged 36.
Mary Boyce - Wife aged 40
James Boyce - Son age 13
Christopher Boyce - Son aged 12
William John Boyce - Son aged 7
Regards
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Thank you so much, iluleah, for your helpful sharing of websites - they are fantastic bits of information to digest.
Hi I have just re-registered with this site,and have some details on Greenaway Boyce and ancestors.
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I have some long Ballydougan Boyce trees. However, with so many repeated given names, the trees have "?" and "probably" in them which church records can not solve. Do you have firm Boyce trees you would share?
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The family tree that was researched by a relative(Gordon Boyce)begins with William Boyce b.1818,who married Jane Patton b.1822,at Knocknamuckley Church on 22/4/1841.
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The family tree that was researched by a relative(Gordon Boyce)begins with William Boyce b.1918,who married Jane Patton b.1822,at Knocknamuckley Church on 22/4/1841.
You may need to amend post!!
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Apologies,William Boyce,born 1818.
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Walker Boyce,b1849,died in NZ 1905.He is my Great grandfather.
He married Mary Jemima Sloan in Invercargill NZ on 30/12/1879 at the residence of Greenaway Boyce.They had 12 children.
William John,b.27/5/1881.d.22/91958,is my paternal grandfather.
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I have John Boyce b. bef 1800 with son Alexander of Ballydougan who went to Wisconsin, USA, Letter mentions first 3 sons of Wm as nephews Mary? Boyce, Thomas Boyce mentioned in letter as uncle to ?, and Wm Boyce 1817 of Ballydougan.
Wm had son James Henry b. 1841 who married Jane Joyce dau of Walker Joyce and MJ Pollock. Have his children. John Boyce bapt Mar 17, 1844 Have nothing more Greenaway bapt Nov 28, 1846. Have kids. Walker Boyce bapt June 3, 1849 Have nothing more William Edward Boyce bapt aPR 12, 1854 m. Elizabeth Holland dau of Wm Holland Have kids Simon Boyce b 1856 Have nothing more Ann Jane Boyce bapt? Nov 10 1858 m. David Ward, Mary Boyce b? Feb 15 1861 Thomas Ritchie Boyce b? Jul 13, 1865 Have nothing moreNot sure right now when bapt dates become birth dates.
Does this agree and do you know more information?
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The Mary Boyce you mention (b? Feb 15 1861 ) - do you know who are her parents / spouse / children, etc? I'm not sure where she fits into the family tree. Greenaway Wellington Boyce is my Gt Grandfather - so let me know if I can share any info with you....
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Not sure right now. My database is down until early October. Knocknamuckley baptisms have Elizabeth born 5-26-1861 to William and Jane Boyce of Ballydougan, but no Mary at any similar date. I'll get back to you when I get access again.
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The information I have,is Greenaway Wellington born 1846,died in Invercargill NZ,20/10/1925.
I have a copy of his obituary.
His brother Walker Boyce,b1849,d1905 in NZ,is my Great Grandfather.
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That makes us third cousins, Neil. Have you done any updating of Gordon Asher Boyce's book and the family tree (as I am trying to do! I don't want to duplicate any good work that you have already done!)
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I have only updated information in our particular branch of the tree.
Sadly no one else in my family seem interested
Posted on behalf of neil who sent the reply to me in error.
Regards
Sarah
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Found some pages from the Boyce tree of William Boyce and Jane Patton that was published. You asked about daughter Mary b 1861 and I found I could not type. Mary was listed as Mary Jane b 1851, not 1861 in the tree. Children I did not find baptisms for are Beatrice (no date) and perhaps Johnstone b 1844 (was this the John I found?) However the book then lists John Herbert Boyce b 1845-6 died 1876 in NZ on Constabulary duty leaving 3 children. Database not up yet.