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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: JustJean on Tuesday 20 January 15 15:46 GMT (UK)
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I'm trying to prove or disprove a connection between several RYDEN families found in Washington, Connecticut USA late 1800's. Have not found immigration data on two men but they both appear first on the 1880 census and are believed to have arrived abt 1871. John Ryden and Solomon Ryden. They both have married and have families and both are farmers. John b. abt 1849 and Solomon b. abt 1850. By 1900 another has arrived by name of Lynus who is b. abt April 1860. He is also married and has a family in Washington on the 1900 census and is a farmer. He states his immigration as 1882. I believe I have found his departure from Goteborg 2 Jun 1882 which gives his place of birth as Bararyd Smaland. I have seen Lynus/Linus linked to parents Anders Magnus Ryden and Stina Mork but have no proof this is correct information. Are there any church records that will connect these RYDEN men into one family? Any advice or assistance would be gratefully received!
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi Jean
I checked up this Ryden family in the Swedish Books. Linus or Salomon are not members of this family.
Anders Magnus Rydén - b. 1822
Stina Mörk – b. 1820
Anders Victor – b. 1847
Johan Emil – b. 1849
Gustaf Hjälmar – b. 1850
Emma Christina – b. 1854
Alma Maria – b. 1859
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But I have another family from Båraryd (Gislaved):
Anders Jönsson – b. 1802
Sara Stina Andersdotter – b. 1818
Anna Johanna – b. 4 Aug 1844
Johan August – b. 18 Mar 1847
Salomon – b. 16 Jan 1850
Helena – b. 21 Sept 1852
Emma – b. 3 Jul 1856
Linus – 27 Apr 1859
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According to a couple of trees on Ancestry there is a Solomon, Emma, Linus and a John A. Rydén in USA that match this family with parents Anders Jönsson and Sara Stina Andersdotter.
Many of the dates of births and arrivals match all the info I have found here in Sweden.
I believe this to be the family of your Linus from Båraryd. Where the name Rydén came from is a big question.
I suppose the name was changed on the way to America. Only Linus seems to have the name Rydén in Sweden.
Ian
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Linus left Båraryd 27 May 1882
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Emma left Båraryd 21 Oct 1871.
She left with a Maria Andersdotter.
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Just read the father Anders Jönsson's Will/Inventory of Estate from 1883 and it states that 4 of his children Johan August, Salomon, Linus and Emma are living in North America.
Ian
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Their mother Sara Stina Andersdotter died in 1893 and in her Will/Inventory of Estate it states that her children Johan August, Salomon, Linus and Emma still living in North America have given a friend power of attorney for the execution of her will.
Ian
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Hi Ian
You've outdone yourself as always! :) I am very convinced that they are all related and am thrilled you have provided the correct parents for them. Interesting about the surname change too. I wasn't expecting that! I am working on the tree for a friend and they will be surprised with the info.
Many thanks for your kind assistance!!
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi Jean
Cheers...
If your friends want more help just ask. I can go as far back as the books allow.
Here is Salomon's record for leaving Sweden:
He was put in the missing persons book in the 1880's. He left without the appropriate documents.
http://www.arkivdigital.net/swedish-genealogy/non-existing-persons-book
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Just digging and found this:
Johanna C Ryden left with Linus.
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I am working on the tree for a friend and they will be surprised with the info.
Which Ryden are you working on?
Ian
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You are on the right trail with Saloman! Interesting to see that he was using the Ryden name when he departed Sweden. I had started searching on Anderson etc thinking I had missed him that way. Per cemetery records his wife was Mary C. Brink b. abt 1847 in Sweden. They must have married not long after 1871 as they have 4 children in 1880 and the eldest was born in 1873. I know nothing else about Mary Brink yet. I assume they married in Connecticut but do not have any proof. One other clue that has not yet been helpful is a brother in law named August Stromquist who is b. abt 1850 supposedly in Connecticut. He is in their household on the 1880 census and I have not seen him again.
From the ages of Anders Jonsson and his wife Sara I would think they could have children born earlier than 1844 or maybe Anders had children with a previous wife. If you could look for the family earlier I'm certain any data would be very welcomed!!!
Please let me know if I can return the favor!!!
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi
I'll see what I can dig up. Can you say which Ryden family you are researching for your friend.
Ian
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Yes it is Saloman's line that is the direct one. I started working laterally in order to try and get backward into Sweden. It's always good to see the larger picture :)!
Best wishes
Jean
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I think I now know why they took the name Ryden.....
Their father Anders Jönsson was a soldier. Soldiers in Sweden were given names and Anders was given the name Ryd.
Here is his file in the soldier's database:
http://www.ep.liu.se/databases/soldatregister/dbrecord.en.aspx?id=642672
An explanation on soldiers' names in Sweden:
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Sweden_Soldier_Names
Ian
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I managed to find Salomon's passenger lists to New York. That wasn't easy....
Gothenburg to Granton, Edinburgh leaving Gothenburg on 30 April 1871...
"Salomon Reyden in the Gothenburg, Sweden, Passenger Lists, 1869-1951"
Glasgow to New York arriving in New York 22 May 1871 on the SS Australia...
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16942-66251-46?cc=1849782
He was listed as a German with name Salemon Regdin.
Ian
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Wow :D You are a star!! There is alot of new info to get my head around here......soldier naming practices.....Saloman's route to the US...and the fact his father was a soldier!! Thank you so much for your time on this research. It is very much appreciated.
Best wishes
Jean
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The name “Ryd” according to Wikipedia comes from the word “röjd mark” meaning making a clearing in the forest.
The best way to pronounce it is:
R
Y …… ewe (as in female sheep)
D
én ….. Ian (my name)
R ewe d ian
I can imagine them discussing a new name to take with them. I suppose Anderson was too common so creating a new name was the best way to go. Their father 40 years previous had the name Ryd which wasn’t continued as the surname. There are a number of Rydéns in Sweden although not that common, so that, I think is why they made the name Rydén. The name Ryd was probably a little too short. I wonder if the father Anders was involved.
Ian
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I too had done a little digging and found a reference that indicated "Ryd" meant "clearing". I noticed that the towns connected with Anders both end in ryd......Slatteryd and Bararyd. (Apologies if I have misspelled something there!) I wondered if that would be similar to the ending "field" as would be seen used in naming US cities and towns.......Springfield for example. Ryd being a cleared place and field being a cleared place.
Your sounding out of Ryden is very helpful. I tend to say it more like:
R
eye - what you see with
D
in - opposite of out
but i imagine that is the Americanized version! The tree I'm working on has veered away from the RYDEN surname because it came in on a female line. No way to be certain how it was pronounced here 100 years ago!
Best wishes
Jean
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Salomon Ryden’s Family
Anders Jönsson
b. 16 Jan 1802 in Båraryd
d. 5 Sep 1883 in Båraryd
married – 24 Oct 1836 in Båraryd
Sara Stina Andersdotter
b. 11 Nov 1818 in Båraryd
d. 24 Jul 1893 in Båraryd
Children
Eva Christina
b. 30 Nov 1836 in Båraryd
married – Oscar Reidel – 20 Dec 1864
d. 8 Apr 1897 in Örby
Josepha
b. 29 Nov 1838 in Båraryd
Frans Johan
b. 8 Jan 1841 in Båraryd
d. 3 Feb 1844 in Båraryd
Joseph
b. 19 Mar 1843 in Båraryd
d. 24 Mar 1843 in Båraryd
Anna Johanna
b. 7 Aug 1844 in Båraryd
d. 27 Sep 1902 in Båraryd
Johan August
b. 18 Mar 1847 in Båraryd
Salomon
b. 16 Jan 1850 in Båraryd
Helena
b. 21 Sep 1852 in Båraryd
d. 11 Sept 1857 in Båraryd
Emma
b. 13 Jul 1856 in Båraryd
Linus
b. 27 Apr 1859 in Båraryd
Ian
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This is fantastic info! So sad to see the child mortality though.
By the way, you were right on with the emigration record of Johanna Ryden with that of Linus. In the US census his wife is Hannah C. with a possible maiden name of Anderson or I suppose that might have been Andersdotter. They apparently wed in Sweden and not the US.
I'm still struggling with wife of Solomon,Mary C BRINK. I wonder if she had a name change to Brink that is throwing me off. I have seen her place of birth recorded as Smaland but that doesn't narrow things up very much!
Also struggling with August STROMQUIST. As a real long shot I wonder if he might have been a cousin to Solomon as opposed to brother in law. There is a Nils August Stromquist in Kansas born abt 1845 who is apparently dead around 1886. It looks like that family did a name change too at some point. I believe Nils father was born a Jonsson. I wondered if by any stretch he could have been a brother to my Anders Jonsson. As you can see these are extreme straw graspings ???
I will continue to bang away here!
Best wishes
Jean
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Here is Linus and Johanna C Ryden (Ryder) passenger list from Hull to NY on the SS Spain:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16946-28227-6?cc=1849782
Ian
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By the way, you were right on with the emigration record of Johanna Ryden with that of Linus. In the US census his wife is Hannah C. with a possible maiden name of Anderson or I suppose that might have been Andersdotter. They apparently wed in Sweden and not the US.
Where did you get the name Andersdotter from? I am trying to find that. I have checked the marriages in the same parish as Linus but no marriage. No Johanna C left with Linus or even around that date.
I wonder if they got married just before they boarded the ship in Gothenburg. Worth checking perhaps.
Ian
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Also struggling with August STROMQUIST. As a real long shot I wonder if he might have been a cousin to Solomon as opposed to brother in law. There is a Nils August Stromquist in Kansas born abt 1845 who is apparently dead around 1886. It looks like that family did a name change too at some point. I believe Nils father was born a Jonsson. I wondered if by any stretch he could have been a brother to my Anders Jonsson. As you can see these are extreme straw graspings ???
I am thinking along the lines that August is Mary C's brother. She remarried with name Brink but her maiden name is Strömqvist.
Ian
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I've also considered August Stromquist might be married to a sister of Mary C Ryden mn Brink.......but without finding him again on another census I have no way of connecting him to anyone.
Best wishes
Jean
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I managed to find Maria Christina Andreasdotter Brink and her family.
They came from Bosebo parish in Småland and August Ludwig Andreasson Strömqvist was her brother. He left his wife and child behind in Sweden in 1880 for some reason. Maybe to look for a place to live. I will check later on if he returned to Sweden or not.
Parents
Andreas Larsson Brink b. 6 Apr 1814 in Bosebo
Anna Lena Andersdotter b. 9 Jan 1816 in Sjötofta
Children
Elias Ansqarius b. 28 Apr 1842 in Bosebo
Anders Joseph b. 17 Jul 1844 in Bosebo
Maria Christina b. 24 Aug 1846 in Bosebo
August Ludvig b. 1 Mar 1848 in Bosebo
Benedikta Eleonora b. 22 Dec 1851 in Bosebo
Johanna Adelina b. 17 Jul 1854 in Bosebo
Inga Lovisa b. 3 Nov 1857 in Bosebo
Johan Enoch b. 19 Jul 1860 in Bosebo
August changed his name to Strömqvist around 1880
Ian
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Johan Enoch Brink to USA:
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Inga Lovisa Brink to USA:
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Johanna Adelina Brink to USA:
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On 10 Nov 1871 Maria Andersdotter (Brink) and Emma Andersdotter (sister to Salomon Ryden) sailed to Hull on the Rollo from Gothenburg.
I followed Mary C Brink and she had moved to Båraryd Parish in 1868. They lived pretty close to each other.
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Here is the Strömqvist family in Sweden in 1900. So he must have come back around 1890.
Strömqvist, August Ludvig 1848 Father
Andersdotter, Johanna 1851 Mother
Anna Constantia 1879 Child
Anders Ragnar 1886 Child
Johan Edvin 1888 Child
Gustaf Einar 1890 Child
Rut Hildur Maria 1894 Child
Ian
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Here is a snippet of the Brink family in the books:
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Now you are trying to do my head in :o. This is amazing information!!!! So much more than I ever thought possible!! I need to do a ton of digesting and connecting more limbs onto the now massive family tree you have helped to create! How interesting that August and Mary/Maria were really brother and sister yet were Brink and Stromquist. These name changes are very challenging to say the least!
Thanks
Jean
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A very interesting page from Sara Stina Andersdotter's will.
It was signed by daughter Johanna Andersdotter who by the way was written in the books as an "idiot" meaning that she was probably retarded.
and underneath it was also signed by: (who weren't there but had given permission to sign the will)
J. A. Ryden
S. Byden
L. Ryden
Emma Bengtsson
Christina Ridel
So this is the evidence connecting the Andersson family in Båraryd to the Rydens in USA.
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Well done Ian...not only connecting but confirming married surnames!! I cannot thank you enough for all your help. Your ability to read and interpret the Swedish records is so valuable and the records themselves are of such good quality. I only wish my Irish diggings would turn up information like that!!
Jean
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You're welcome.
All the best.
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Anders Jönsson’s Family
Parents
Jöns Larsson
b. 11 Feb 1771 in Båraryd
d. 17 Mar 1841 in Båraryd
Elsa Andersdotter
b. 17 Dec 1764 in Båraryd
d. 9 Jun 1824 in Båraryd
Siblings
Brita Jönsdotter
b. 9 Mar 1797 in Båraryd
Anders Jönsson
b. 16 Jan 1802 in Båraryd
d. 5 Sep 1883 in Båraryd
Helena Jönsdotter
b. 17 Feb 1810 in Båraryd
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Elsa Andersdotter’s Family
Parents
Anders Ericsson
b. 11 Apr 1725 in Båraryd
Brita Andersdotter
b. 24 Feb 1731 in Båraryd
Siblings
Erland Andersson
b. 12 Jun 1762 in Båraryd
Elsa Andersdotter
b. 17 Dec 1764 in Båraryd
d. 9 Jun 1824 in Båraryd
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Jöns Larsson’s Family
Parents
Lars Svensson
b. 30 Apr 1732 in Båraryd
Ragnild
b. 1744
Siblings
Sven Larsson
b. 13 Dec 1767 in Båraryd
Jöns Larsson
b. 11 Feb 1771 in Båraryd
d. 17 Mar 1841 in Båraryd
Johannes Larsson
b. 14 May 1775 in Båraryd
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Lars Svensson’s Family
Parents
Sven Larsson
b. 1681 in Båraryd
Britta Davidsdotter
b. 16 Sept 1699 in Båraryd
d. 10 Feb 1772 in Båraryd
Siblings
Maria Svensdotter
b. 17 Jun 1729 in Båraryd
Lars Svensson
b. 30 Apr 1732 in Båraryd
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Amazing! I need more blank family group sheets!! :-)
Thank you Ian!
Jean
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You're welcome.
Ian
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My great grandmother was Inga Lovisa Larsson Brink and I am looking for information on her in Sweden. I am struggling with finding out if she was married to a different man prior to marrying my great grandfather. I also cannot find her on passenger lists to America. Any help with this search is greatly appreciated.
Beth Noble Pinckney
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My great grandmother was Inga Lovisa Larsson Brink and I am looking for information on her in Sweden. I am struggling with finding out if she was married to a different man prior to marrying my great grandfather. I also cannot find her on passenger lists to America. Any help with this search is greatly appreciated.
Beth Noble Pinckney
Hi and welcome to RootsChat
Did she take the surname Larson in USA? Her surname in Sweden seems to have been Brink or Andreasson/dotter.
Inga and Family - 1879:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0019899_00052#?c=&m=&s=&cv=51&xywh=-9%2C8%2C7567%2C3613
Inga Andreasdotter Brink - 1875 - nr 13:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/C0019898_00026#?c=&m=&s=&cv=25&xywh=-103%2C27%2C8404%2C4012
Ian
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She was not married in Sweden.
I too cannot locate her passenger list.
Ian