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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cornwall => England => Cornwall Lookup Requests => Topic started by: fletch001 on Friday 23 January 15 19:55 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to find anything regarding my Great Grandmother. She was born in Forest Cornwall in 1888. I cannot find anything for her except the birth/marriage/death to Sydney Tresidder in 1908 in Helston. I have been told she may have been a Romany Gypsy before marriage. She died in Staithes North Yorkshire in 1975 where they moved up from Cornwall for the Ironstone mining in that area.
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat. :)
A copy of the marriage certificate should show the name and occupation of her father; it will also show how old she was......or how old she said she was!
A copy can be ordered from GRO and costs £9.25.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Nanny Jan
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Hi Nanny Jan,
Thank you for your reply,
I have thought about getting her birth certificate a while back but never did. I will certainly try to get it this time, it may be the only way of getting this information. My mum and Dad went to Helston on holiday many years ago and found my Grans birth certificate but not my Great Gran. I think they had difficulty finding it.#Regards
Mike
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Her records are interesting, she shows up as:
Cortilda Jane E Bartle in a marriage search 1908, Helston, Cornwall
and in the Cornwall OPCs as:
Janie Certildia Ellis, mother of Emmeline Jane Tressider born 1909, Carnmenellis, Cornwall.
I'm wondering if she is the Jane Bartle in Helston, Cornwall born 1889 in the 1901 census aged 12?
I can't access the 1901 census but this could be another way to find her family. No Jane, really shows up around that 1889 date as being born in Cornwall in the OPCs
Could she have been baptised as Jane and the Corsildia name been used to distiguish her later in life from all the other Janes?
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Hi Nanny Jan,
Thank you for your reply,
I have thought about getting her birth certificate a while back but never did. I will certainly try to get it this time, it may be the only way of getting this information. My mum and Dad went to Helston on holiday many years ago and found my Grans birth certificate but not my Great Gran. I think they had difficulty finding it.#Regards
Mike
I've not found a birth registration; your best way would be to get the marriage certificate as you know that is her!
Nanny Jan
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I'm wondering if she is the Jane Bartle in Helston, Cornwall born 1889 in the 1901 census aged 12?
I can't access the 1901 census but this could be another way to find her family. No Jane, really shows up around that 1889 date as being born in Cornwall in the OPCs
Could she have been baptised as Jane and the Corsildia name been used to distiguish her later in life from all the other Janes?
1901 Jane Bartle age 12 and born Illogan 1889, is a niece living with Bathseheba Bartle who was born in Wendron. Bathsheba also has 2 daughters and a son living with her.
Address:Carnmenellis, Wendron, Helston, Cornwall, England
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Hi, the Jane in 1901 appears to be the Jane Pascoe Bartle June qtr 1888 Redruth 5c 198 in 1891 we have:-
Jane Bartle 57 Widow
Thomas J Son 23
Bethshiba 26 Daughter in Law b Wendron
Jane P 3 Grandaughter
William H 1 Grandson
Lavinia J 4 months Grandaughter
Residing at FOREST, Illogan, Redruth, Cornwall
Census Ref RG12/1848/87/13
All others born Illogan
Note, Thomas John Bartle married Bathsheba Moyle Dec qtr 1888 Helston 5c 363, but in 1901 Bathsheba does not show Jane as a daughter, but rather as a niece.
Keyboard86
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Good Morning All,
Thank you all for your help, it is amazing what members of this site can do, thank you. You have opened up a way forwards for me to check all this new information i did not have until now.
I now live in Scotland, but originally from Yorkshire so it is a little difficult for me to find people close at hand to help out, thank you all once again, amazing.
Her full name is Corsildia Jane Ellis Bartle which only shows up on her marriage information and on my Grans birth certificate, Emmeline Jane Tressider
Regards
Mike
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"Illogan is an Ancient Parish in the county of Cornwall.Other places in the parish include: Brea, Bridge, Carn Brea, FOREST, Illogan Downs, Pool, Portreath, Trevenson Moor, and Voguebeloth. Illogan (Cornish: Egloshal)is situated in the Deanery and Hundred of Penwith"
The IGI (familysearch) doesn't cover the year she was born, nor does the Cornwall OPC site, so that explains why her birth is not in either of those sites.
If she was born in Forest, then the baptism record might appear eventually because people with earlier birthdates are on the Cornwall OPC.
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In case you haven't seen this ...
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3306902
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I have been researching the family of Jane Pascoe BARTLE who was born in the June qtr of 1888 in Illogan. Her wider family lived in the Forest area of Illogan, and she seems to have been an illegitimate daughter of Eliza Jane BARTLE, whose mother's maiden name was ELLIS. Eliza Jane disappears after the 1881 census but Jane is with Bathsheba BARTLE - the wife of Eliza Jane's brother Thomas Henry BARTLE - in 1901, as previous posters here have pointed out. Jane is not identifiable in the marriage or death records - not under that name anyway - between 1901 and 1911.
So there seems to me to be a reasonably good chance that Corsildia (or is it Cortildia?) Jane Ellis BARTLE may be the same person as Jane Pascoe BARTLE. If you haven't got the marriage certificate I recommend doing so, because that ought to confirm her identity. If of course she was illegitimate it will not name her father, but that would certainly narrow things down.
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Hi tbennett54,
Thank you for your information, it certainly has opened up a new thread to research. I will post on here when i find out any information, many thanks.
Regards
Mike
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Hi All,
Just checked my Grandmothers birth cert, her mother's correct forenames on the birth cert is Janie Certildia Ellis. I am assuming her maiden name was Bartle??
Regards
Mike
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GRO index shows her maiden name as Bartle. It should be on the birth certificate and show as Janie Certildia Ellis formerly Bartle. If she had been married before it would show as formerly maiden name, late first married name.
Did you ever get a copy of the marriage cert from the GRO?
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Maybe the registrar couldn't find room for the maiden name, but it certainly ought to say "formerly Bartle".
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Hi All,
Yes, certainly interesting, Different spelling of Corsildia, Cartilda, Certildia, Janie etc. Her marriage cert gives her name has Cartilda Jane Ellis Bartle, married to Sydney Tresidder in Helston 1908. She is in other people's family trees on Ancestry but again, different ways of spelling her name.
Regards
Mike
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I suspect it was meant to be "Cordelia" but got garbled, and nobody in the family was any the wiser.