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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: kezd on Saturday 24 January 15 18:25 GMT (UK)
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My GGG grandfather was George Cotton (b 1808) of Lissan and his wife was Sarah Bell. I am looking for any information that might help me get back another generation or track what happened to the family that remained in Lissan.
(originally posted in wrong location)
George Cotton b 1808 and Sarah Bell b abt 1812
Their son, my GG grandfather, Robert, came out to New Zealand via Australia and became an early settler in Waipori Otago, NZ. Their daughter, Sarah Jane, married Job Taylor, and also left for NZ, but returned to live with her uncle John at Killibasky.
I now have an address that apparently belonged to another daughter, Elizabeth Cotton, married to Thomas Henry- Ballinasollus, Oritor Cookstown, Co Tyrone.
Thanks for help.
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Previous post for reference:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=711015.0
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Can you fill in any dates for us or expand on what you've already posted?
For example, when was your great-great-grandfather Robert born?
Here's Sarah Cotton's marriage to Job Taylor- which puts her born c1834:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGXL-4Q3
Added- have lots more to post but will take a bit of time to type it all out
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Hi,
The above marriage also took place in Lissan Church of Ireland.
Regards
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I would like to find out more about George Cotton (I think his middle name was Elliot) and Sarah Bell. I have been struggling to find their parents names or any details before about 1830 and not sure where to look. Next time I am in Ireland I would like to go to Archives in Northern Ireland to see what I can find, or possibly get someone to hunt for me.
Are there are still family members living in the area?
What became of George, John, and Elizabeth's descendants?
The Cotton's potentially originally came from Chester, Eng, but I don't know when they arrived in Ireland.
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Hi,
See http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/willsSearchResultsDetails.aspx
for the will of John Cotton of CANCESE who died in 1888. There are also several other Cotton wills listed for the same area.
Regards
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Related topic on Ancestry:
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=20956&p=surnames.taylor
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The thread that glensman found is most interesting and helpful but I'm not sure how accurate a few details are. Anyway, here's a rough family tree (you will need to do more research to verify everything but will give you a good start). Note: information in red based on Ancestry thread.
George Cotton (c1808-16 Aug.1892) m.(27 Dec.1832) Sarah Bell.
1. Sarah Jane Cotton (5 Oct.1833-21 Feb.1903) m.(27 Apr.1854 Lissan Church of Ireland) Job Taylor (c1833).
Marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGXL-4Q3
See here for much more detailed information- http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=20956&p=surnames.taylor
2. John Cotton** see below
3. Robert Cotton (1838), Australia & NZ
4. George Cotton* (1841-10 July 1907) m.(28 Oct.1873 Magherafelt 1st Presbyterian Church) Ellenor/Eleanor/Ellen Rainey (c1855)
5. James Cotton (1845)
James Cotton (address: Little Bridge, Moneymore, Co. Derry.) "Uncle James has passed through a very severe time during the last seven years." Can’t find in 1901 or 1911 census
6. Elizabeth Cotton*** (1851?-aft.1916?)
George Cotton* (1841-10 July 1907) m.(28 Oct.1873 Magherafelt 1st Presbyterian Church) Ellenor/Eleanor/Ellen Rainey (c1855)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Cromac/Hatfield_Street/969559
Probate of the Will (and Codicil) of George Cotton late of 18 Bridge End Belfast Shopkeeper and Retired Farmer who died 10 July 1907 granted at Belfast to Dawson Cotton Clerk. Will dated 26 Apr.1907 mentions wife Ellen, sons John R. James Dawson & Albert. Codicil 8 May 1907.
Eleanor & sons Dawson & Albert: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Portstewart/Main_Street/592901
1. George Cotton (10 Sept.1874-29 Feb.1892)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5KQ-JZZ
Death: George Cotton (c1875-1892) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTC8-B23
2. Mary E. Cotton (9 Sept.1876)
3. Sarah I? Cotton (14 Oct.1879)
Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNV-6JP
4. John Rainey Cotton (15 Nov.1881) m.(11 June 1907 Cookstown dist.) Mary Maneely/McNeely
Marriage (1907): https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY8G-HZ7
June 1907 John R. Cotton, builder, age 25 & Mrs Mary Cotton age 21 travelled London, England to Melbourne, Australia
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Lissan_Upper/Caneese/614516
1. James M. Cotton (c1909 Australia)
5. (Robert) James Cotton (c1884-aft.1907?). Can’t find birth registration
6. (Thomas) Dawson Cotton (9 Mar.1886), solicitor, m.(29 Mar.1915 Belfast) Mary Jane Pickerington Lennox- 1 daughter, 2 sons.
1934- Cedarhurst, Newton Ave., Co.Down
Cotton Margaret Elizabeth of "Cedarhurst" Newtownbreda county Down spinster died 7 April 1947 near Galway in Eire Administration Belfast 15 October to Dawson Cotton solicitor. Effects £871 0s. 2d.
7. Albert Cotton (11 Aug.1888-6 June 1889)
8. Albert Wesley Wellington Cotton (12 Oct.1890) m.(10 July 1918 Belfast) Dorcas MacCabe
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John Cotton**
You said "Their daughter, Sarah Jane, married Job Taylor, and also left for NZ, but returned to live with her uncle John at Killibasky." but the Ancestry thread has John Cotton (16 July 1835– 9 October 1916 - he was living at Killybasky in May 1916 so may be buried near there)
The John Cotton living at Caneese died on 9 Oct.1916
"COTTON October 9, at his residence, Caneece, Lissan, John Cotton. Interred in Lissan Churchyard on Wednesday."
Probate of the Will of John Cotton late of Caneese County Londonderry Farmer who died 9 October 1916 granted at Londonderry to John H. Cotton Farmer.
This John Cotton married Eliza and had a sister Mary Ann (living with the family in 1901).
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Lisson_Upper/Canuse/1533824 (sister Mary Ann)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Lissan_Upper/Caneese/614528
1911 ssays 4 children but only 2 living.
1. Thomas Cotton (c1876-22 Nov.1948) m. Mary Cotton
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Lissan_Upper/Caneese/614526
Mary’s mother: Administration of the Estate of Jane Cotton late of Caneese County Londonderry Widow who died 9 February 1917 granted at Londonderry to Mary Cotton Married Woman.
Cotton Mary of Carrydarragh Moneymore county Londonderry died 5 May 1943 Administration Londonderry 10 November to Thomas Cotton farmer the husband. Effects £1607 13s. 7d.
Cotton Thomas of Carrydarragh Moneymore county Londonderry farmer died 22 November 1948 Probate Londonderry 23 June to the reverend Henry Egerton clerk in Holy orders and George Faulkner farmer. Effects £2845 5s. 1d.
2. John Herbert Cotton (c1878-13 Feb.1955) m. Eliza Margaret
Cotton John Herbert of Carrydarragh and of Lawford Street both on Moneymore county Londonderry retired farmer died 13 February 1955 at latter place Probate Belfast 13 June to Eliza Margaret Cotton the widow. Effects £1856 9s. 1d.
This is the other John Cotton, living at Killybasky-
John Cotton, Killybasky, m.(c1878) Rachel (c1859-1933)
Cotton Rachel of Killybaskey Lissan county Tyrone widow died 2 December 1933 Administration Belfast 5 June to Sarah Jane Clark married woman. Effects £10.
1. Sarah Jane Cotton (c1891) m. ___ Clark
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Elizabeth Cotton***
Elizabeth Cotton (1851?-aft.1916?) m.(9 June 1864 Lissan Church of Ireland) Thomas Henry (d.5 Sept.1892)
Marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZ7-SFK
I would query Elizabeth's age as if born c1851 she would have been only about 13 years old in 1864.
Letters of Administration (with the Will annexed) of the personal estate of Thomas Henry late of Montober County Tyrone Farmer who died 5 September 1892 at same place were granted at Armagh to Elizabeth Henry of Montober Widow the Residuary Legatee. Will dated 21 Mar.1891 mentions farm Ballinasollus to son George Cotton Henry, farm Killycurragh to wife Elizabeth, daughter Sarah Maria Henry, son Robert James Henry, brother-in-law James Cotton of Caneece.
1. Eliza Maria Henry (16 Dec.1872) Sarah Maria?
Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGH9-VDZ
2. George Cotton Henry
3. Robert James Henry
Elizabeth Woods (nee Cotton) (address: Ballinasollus, Oritor Cookstown, Co. Tyrone.) Dawson described her as "now an invalid and confined to bed." So her death may not have been far off by May 1916. I do not have a record of it.
Possibly Elizabeth married a Mr. Woods and moved to Co. Tyrone but I wasn't able to find any such marriage. However, there is this likely couple in the 1901 census-
James Woods m. Elizabeth (c1851)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Ballynasollus/Ballynasollus/1730431
James- www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Ballynasollus/Ballynasollus/860097
Note: 'adopted' son Thomas George Anderson born Belfast & mother seems to have been Smith so not sure if there was a family connection
1. Maggie Woods (c1890)- possibly James’ or Elizabeth’s daughter?
More to be added to this...
George Cotton Henry died 1897 in N.Z.- probate to mother Elizabeth (Mrs J) Woods, 62 Rainey St. Belfast: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZ58-8RD
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Once you get a chance to go through all the posts here the next step might be to look through any changes to family holdings for the townlands mentioned in the Valuation Revision Books which run from the printed version of Griffith's Valuation (mid 1800s) until c1930.
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/val12b.htm
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Thanks Aghadowey
I shall go through it. Sorry, just found your responses.
Much appreciated.
kezd
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I am looking for the birth record of Robert Cotton, son of George and Sarah (nee Bell) Cotton. He was born either in 1837 or 1838. Trying to add a bit to a book for him and his birthdate would help.
Also trying to find out more about the history of the Cottons in Lissan, and it possible George's parents. He would have been born about 1808.
I will come to Ireland again possibly next year and hope to find where they lived, and any graves.
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You may be interested to know that two Cottons descended from George Cotton and Sarah Bell have taken Y-chromosome tests:
http://www.skylinc.net/users/cottondna/family10.htm
The results show that George is related to several other Cotton families in Ireland and also to Cotton families in Cheshire ENG from where the Irish Cottons are likely to have originated.
Gossy
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Thank you for that link.
Yes I was aware of the dna test. Roger James Cotton is one of my cousins here in New Zealand. I have done an Ftdna test and uploaded to Gedmatch as well, but not sure if any of my lines are recorded there.
If anyone tunes into this link my test is F233326 and I would love to be told if you match via the Cotton people.