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Title: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: Martin son of Angus on Sunday 01 February 15 01:21 GMT (UK)
My great grandfather (a gamekeeper), in 1895 gives his address as Goatfell Cottage, Brodick, Isle of Arran, and in 1897 married a lassie Lucy Gillespie Reside from Kilpatrick (her father was a head gamekeeper in that parish) Does Goatfell Cottage, Brodick still exist and might anyone have an old photo and be able to confirm its location?
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: ev on Sunday 01 February 15 12:24 GMT (UK)
Hi , welcome to RootsChat  :)

To prevent duplication of effort I've removed your other post.

Not sure of the exact location of the cottage but here is a map of the area 1885-1900 -
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=14&lat=55.6266&lon=-5.17155&layers=1



ev
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: deebel on Sunday 01 February 15 12:41 GMT (UK)
Post Code Finder lists:

Goatfell Cottage
Corrie
ISLE OF ARRAN
KA27 8JB

Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: Martin son of Angus on Thursday 05 February 15 14:18 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your replies.  I had used www old maps co uk  for this but thanks for the reminder that the NLS site probably better for this purpose.  Just had a look on Google Streetview for Goatfell Cottage in Corrie but no luck.  The reference to Brodick may well be the parish, so this cottage in Corrie might be worth tracking down (if its the original one). 
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 05 February 15 21:53 GMT (UK)
Hi  :)

Goatfell also seems to be a mountain range in the area www.walkhighlands.co.uk/arran/north-arran.shtml

Cannot see any reference to a Goatfell Cottage (of simply Goatfell*) on the Valuation Rolls for that period  :-\ www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&2080

Monica
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 05 February 15 22:03 GMT (UK)
 :-\ Not sure if this is relevant www.gsaarchives.net/archon/index.php?p=digitallibrary/digitalcontent&id=788

Monica
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: deebel on Thursday 05 February 15 22:07 GMT (UK)
Post Code Finder lists:

Goatfell Cottage
Corrie
ISLE OF ARRAN
KA27 8JB

As I posted, Goatfell Cottage is currently listed in the Royal Mail postcode finder.

Goatfell is the highest peak in Arran in the same vicinity. If you googlemap the postcode then switch to streetview you will see a number of cottages which fit the period.


ps sorry Martin I see you looked on googlemap.

Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: MonicaL on Thursday 05 February 15 22:12 GMT (UK)
Would be good to follow your directions, deebel  :)

The address seems to show in the 1891 census. At least two households including a John Dewar, a gamekeeper. Haven't checked any other census.

Monica
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: Martin son of Angus on Thursday 05 February 15 23:36 GMT (UK)
I had checked juxtaposed Census and Valuation Rolls on Scotlands People, but no luck.  I feel that  reference to Brodick is a locality rather than a parish name (the parish is Kilbride).  So I'm unsure how wide the vicinity of Brodick would have been at that time;  it could well be in or close(r) to Corrie if the post code search turns out to be representative.  The photo reference of same at Loch Fyne is charming but I would guess is closer to Inveraray than Arran.    Away from the forum, there was a suggestion that it could have been part of Brodick Castle but I await more certainty on this.  My ancestor was a  gamekeeper so that might make sense.  Am likely to write snail-mail to the owner of the cottage in Corrie, which might at least confirm or rule it out.  Outcome may depend upon a local elders'  knowledge.   (By 1901 census my ancestor had moved his gamekeeping occupation to Glen Caladh, Tighnabruaich).
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: deebel on Friday 06 February 15 00:26 GMT (UK)
Being a gamekeeper your ancestor may well have worked for the Brodick Castle estate and Goatfell Cottage an estate owned cottage.

As Brodick Castle is owned by the National Trust for Scotland it might be worth contacting them to see if there are Estate Records / Papers in archive.

Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: IMBER on Friday 06 February 15 07:36 GMT (UK)
This site explains more and provides an OS map reference:

http://data.historic-scotland.gov.uk/pls/htmldb/f?p=2200:15:0::::BUILDING:7505

Imber
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: IMBER on Friday 06 February 15 07:51 GMT (UK)
And the local planning authority provides an online map which shows exatly the position of High Corrie:

http://www.eplanning.north-ayrshire.gov.uk/OnlinePlanning/spatialDisplay.do?action=display&searchType=Application

Imber
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: IMBER on Friday 06 February 15 07:57 GMT (UK)
Just to add that I now see that if you zoom down on that map it even gives the name of Goatfell Cottage and shows its EXACT position in fine detail.

Imber
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: Martin son of Angus on Friday 06 February 15 12:04 GMT (UK)
The Historic Scotland, and Pastmap sites are certainly helping to narrow this down.
Going to Canmore RCAHMS. There are even some pics .  Goatfell seems to be one of this group at High Corrie.  With your help it seems that I am very close. Thanks to all.

http://canmoremapping.rcahms.gov.uk/index.php?action=do_details&cache_name=cGFyaXNoLEtJTEJSSURFX3NlYXJjaHR5cGUsYWR2YW5jZWRfb3Jh&set=0&list_z=0&numlink=155882   

Placement indicates photo image 1.

Imber - I must give a real vote of thanks, you've solved it!  Having worked in a Planning Dept myself I am now wondering why I did not think of that one!!
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: flyderaght on Sunday 08 February 15 16:57 GMT (UK)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goat_Fell This should help explain it.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/947355

My family lived on the Holy Isle.

Marc
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: Martin son of Angus on Sunday 08 February 15 22:08 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the more recent updates. 

Third party advice suggests I should look towards a building close to Brodick Castle, which now goes by another name, so I will be following that up.

Marc - Some good photos on your link of the trail to Goat Fell.
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: flyderaght on Sunday 08 February 15 23:52 GMT (UK)
The easiest solution may be to email the museum on Arran. they should be able to assist.
There is a pic that shows several residents at the topof goatfell from Victorias diamond jubilee when they lit the torches all over the UK. The person sititng at the front with the hat and white beard was John Mcintyre my gr gr grandfather.

Marc
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: Martin son of Angus on Monday 09 February 15 22:15 GMT (UK)
Thanks Marc.  I have already been in touch with the Museum in Brodick and am writing to the Arran Estate Office in case they have archived records.  Just viewed your forebears photo; that's a nice one!  I have a similar from Easdale with 3 cousins shown in the pic:   
http://www.easdale.org/easdale/history.htm
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: flyderaght on Monday 09 February 15 22:50 GMT (UK)
I like it. I think the others in the picture are family, not sure though.
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: AsH62 on Tuesday 21 April 15 11:58 BST (UK)
Hi. I have just seen this, I am also looking into Goatsfell cottage. My ancestor Frederick Inglis was head gamekeeper there in 1901 and I am trying to find out more about the estate he was working on. The other resident on the 1901 census was John D MacIntosh at Brodick Castle Kennels so I am assuming that Frederick worked for the castle. Have you managed to find out any more, I don't want to irritate the people at the National Trust by another request so soon after yours.
Thanks
Alison
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: flyderaght on Tuesday 21 April 15 14:56 BST (UK)
Best bet is to contact the museum on Arran. They will have the answer.


http://www.arranmuseum.co.uk/

Marc

Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: AsH62 on Tuesday 21 April 15 15:24 BST (UK)
Thanks Marc I will do that
Alison
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: Martin son of Angus on Wednesday 22 April 15 15:44 BST (UK)
I made local historical enquiries and having been directed towards The Kennels adj Brodick Castle, also wrote to the Arran Estate.  I found reference to gamekeepers cottage relating to Castle Lodge which adjoins the buildings formerly known as the kennels: http://www.stay-arran.co.uk/accommodation/cottage.php?ID=1

It looks as though Castle Lodge at Brodick Castle was the head gamekeepers cottage.  I have been told by the Arran Estate that:
"... for many years the house was known as The Kennels, though, and that was since it was presumably extended in the late 1880’s. I think it was always the base for the head keeper. The Estate had about 19 gamekeepers/ stalkers in it s heyday and some underkeepers had their own houses, perhaps in Glenrosa of Corrie/ High Corrie and there were Estate outposts at Lochranza, another at The Heights, one at Kilpatrick another at Dippen, etc. "

As there is an old listed cottage known as "Goatfell Cottage" at High Corrie (only 2 miles north of Brodick) it seems much more likely to be the one I have been looking for.   
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: AsH62 on Thursday 23 April 15 17:14 BST (UK)
Hi.
Thank you, that is great and  the sort of information that you can only get by going directly to the source. I really appreciate you taking the time to tell me, this sort of knowledge fills out the people that you are researching doesn't it.
Alison
Title: Re: Brodick, Isle of Arran - Where was Goatfell Cottage?
Post by: peter_norden on Friday 25 February 22 12:19 GMT (UK)
I'm very late in seeing this thread. In 1971 I stayed for 3 months at Goatfell Cottage in High Corrie. I paid £1.50 per week and should have stayed much longer.

https://housesforsaletorent.co.uk/property/for-sale/2-bedroom-cottage-for-sale-in-goatfell-cottage-high-corrie-corrie-ka27/1110202/

There are 12 photos of Goatfell at the above site "House For Sale To Rent"

Peter