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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Buteshire => Topic started by: Martin son of Angus on Sunday 01 February 15 01:21 GMT (UK)
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My great grandfather (a gamekeeper), in 1895 gives his address as Goatfell Cottage, Brodick, Isle of Arran, and in 1897 married a lassie Lucy Gillespie Reside from Kilpatrick (her father was a head gamekeeper in that parish) Does Goatfell Cottage, Brodick still exist and might anyone have an old photo and be able to confirm its location?
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Hi , welcome to RootsChat :)
To prevent duplication of effort I've removed your other post.
Not sure of the exact location of the cottage but here is a map of the area 1885-1900 -
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=14&lat=55.6266&lon=-5.17155&layers=1
ev
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Post Code Finder lists:
Goatfell Cottage
Corrie
ISLE OF ARRAN
KA27 8JB
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Thanks for your replies. I had used www old maps co uk for this but thanks for the reminder that the NLS site probably better for this purpose. Just had a look on Google Streetview for Goatfell Cottage in Corrie but no luck. The reference to Brodick may well be the parish, so this cottage in Corrie might be worth tracking down (if its the original one).
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Hi :)
Goatfell also seems to be a mountain range in the area www.walkhighlands.co.uk/arran/north-arran.shtml
Cannot see any reference to a Goatfell Cottage (of simply Goatfell*) on the Valuation Rolls for that period :-\ www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&2080
Monica
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:-\ Not sure if this is relevant www.gsaarchives.net/archon/index.php?p=digitallibrary/digitalcontent&id=788
Monica
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Post Code Finder lists:
Goatfell Cottage
Corrie
ISLE OF ARRAN
KA27 8JB
As I posted, Goatfell Cottage is currently listed in the Royal Mail postcode finder.
Goatfell is the highest peak in Arran in the same vicinity. If you googlemap the postcode then switch to streetview you will see a number of cottages which fit the period.
ps sorry Martin I see you looked on googlemap.
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Would be good to follow your directions, deebel :)
The address seems to show in the 1891 census. At least two households including a John Dewar, a gamekeeper. Haven't checked any other census.
Monica
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I had checked juxtaposed Census and Valuation Rolls on Scotlands People, but no luck. I feel that reference to Brodick is a locality rather than a parish name (the parish is Kilbride). So I'm unsure how wide the vicinity of Brodick would have been at that time; it could well be in or close(r) to Corrie if the post code search turns out to be representative. The photo reference of same at Loch Fyne is charming but I would guess is closer to Inveraray than Arran. Away from the forum, there was a suggestion that it could have been part of Brodick Castle but I await more certainty on this. My ancestor was a gamekeeper so that might make sense. Am likely to write snail-mail to the owner of the cottage in Corrie, which might at least confirm or rule it out. Outcome may depend upon a local elders' knowledge. (By 1901 census my ancestor had moved his gamekeeping occupation to Glen Caladh, Tighnabruaich).
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Being a gamekeeper your ancestor may well have worked for the Brodick Castle estate and Goatfell Cottage an estate owned cottage.
As Brodick Castle is owned by the National Trust for Scotland it might be worth contacting them to see if there are Estate Records / Papers in archive.
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This site explains more and provides an OS map reference:
http://data.historic-scotland.gov.uk/pls/htmldb/f?p=2200:15:0::::BUILDING:7505
Imber
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And the local planning authority provides an online map which shows exatly the position of High Corrie:
http://www.eplanning.north-ayrshire.gov.uk/OnlinePlanning/spatialDisplay.do?action=display&searchType=Application
Imber
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Just to add that I now see that if you zoom down on that map it even gives the name of Goatfell Cottage and shows its EXACT position in fine detail.
Imber
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The Historic Scotland, and Pastmap sites are certainly helping to narrow this down.
Going to Canmore RCAHMS. There are even some pics . Goatfell seems to be one of this group at High Corrie. With your help it seems that I am very close. Thanks to all.
http://canmoremapping.rcahms.gov.uk/index.php?action=do_details&cache_name=cGFyaXNoLEtJTEJSSURFX3NlYXJjaHR5cGUsYWR2YW5jZWRfb3Jh&set=0&list_z=0&numlink=155882
Placement indicates photo image 1.
Imber - I must give a real vote of thanks, you've solved it! Having worked in a Planning Dept myself I am now wondering why I did not think of that one!!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goat_Fell This should help explain it.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/947355
My family lived on the Holy Isle.
Marc
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Thanks for the more recent updates.
Third party advice suggests I should look towards a building close to Brodick Castle, which now goes by another name, so I will be following that up.
Marc - Some good photos on your link of the trail to Goat Fell.
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The easiest solution may be to email the museum on Arran. they should be able to assist.
There is a pic that shows several residents at the topof goatfell from Victorias diamond jubilee when they lit the torches all over the UK. The person sititng at the front with the hat and white beard was John Mcintyre my gr gr grandfather.
Marc
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Thanks Marc. I have already been in touch with the Museum in Brodick and am writing to the Arran Estate Office in case they have archived records. Just viewed your forebears photo; that's a nice one! I have a similar from Easdale with 3 cousins shown in the pic:
http://www.easdale.org/easdale/history.htm
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I like it. I think the others in the picture are family, not sure though.
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Hi. I have just seen this, I am also looking into Goatsfell cottage. My ancestor Frederick Inglis was head gamekeeper there in 1901 and I am trying to find out more about the estate he was working on. The other resident on the 1901 census was John D MacIntosh at Brodick Castle Kennels so I am assuming that Frederick worked for the castle. Have you managed to find out any more, I don't want to irritate the people at the National Trust by another request so soon after yours.
Thanks
Alison
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Best bet is to contact the museum on Arran. They will have the answer.
http://www.arranmuseum.co.uk/
Marc
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Thanks Marc I will do that
Alison
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I made local historical enquiries and having been directed towards The Kennels adj Brodick Castle, also wrote to the Arran Estate. I found reference to gamekeepers cottage relating to Castle Lodge which adjoins the buildings formerly known as the kennels: http://www.stay-arran.co.uk/accommodation/cottage.php?ID=1
It looks as though Castle Lodge at Brodick Castle was the head gamekeepers cottage. I have been told by the Arran Estate that:
"... for many years the house was known as The Kennels, though, and that was since it was presumably extended in the late 1880’s. I think it was always the base for the head keeper. The Estate had about 19 gamekeepers/ stalkers in it s heyday and some underkeepers had their own houses, perhaps in Glenrosa of Corrie/ High Corrie and there were Estate outposts at Lochranza, another at The Heights, one at Kilpatrick another at Dippen, etc. "
As there is an old listed cottage known as "Goatfell Cottage" at High Corrie (only 2 miles north of Brodick) it seems much more likely to be the one I have been looking for.
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Hi.
Thank you, that is great and the sort of information that you can only get by going directly to the source. I really appreciate you taking the time to tell me, this sort of knowledge fills out the people that you are researching doesn't it.
Alison
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I'm very late in seeing this thread. In 1971 I stayed for 3 months at Goatfell Cottage in High Corrie. I paid £1.50 per week and should have stayed much longer.
https://housesforsaletorent.co.uk/property/for-sale/2-bedroom-cottage-for-sale-in-goatfell-cottage-high-corrie-corrie-ka27/1110202/
There are 12 photos of Goatfell at the above site "House For Sale To Rent"
Peter