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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cornwall => England => Cornwall Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Jane101 on Sunday 01 February 15 14:13 GMT (UK)
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Hi -
William James married Henrietta Sarah Burnham in the 1860s. I know William was born around 1839/1840 Cornwall and Henrietta was born around 1840/1841 London. I want to find out who William's parents were and find him in the 1841/1851/1861 census. I have already found him in the 1881 census where he and Henrietta are living in Cornwall with their children - William, Henrietta, Jane, John, Earnest and Fred. - All born Camborne, Cornwall including William.
Thank you if you do find out anything and reply ;D
Tabitha
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Hi Tabatha, in 1871:-
William James 33
Henrietta S 31 b Middlesex, Pimlico
William H 8
Henrietta E A 1
Residing at Chapel Street, Camborne
Census ref RG10/2323/52/50
Keyboard86
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You forgot to mention little clues?
Like he was born in Cambourne, and he was a tailor?
1851 census
Class: HO107; Piece: 1916; Folio: 223; Page: 15
Puges Hill, Cambourne, Cornwall
James, John Head M 43 Copper Miner
James, Johanne Wife F 41
James, John Son M 16 Copper Miner
James, William Son M 14 Tailor
James, Joseph Son M 12 Mine Labourer
James, Henry Son M 10 Mine Labourer
James, Ann Daughter F 8 Scholar
James, Mary Daughter F 6 Scholar
James, Nenjamin Brother M 22 Copper Miner all born Cambourne
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Baptism, 24th December 1836 at Cambourne
William James, son of John and Joanna. Miner of Puggis
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Hi keyboard86
yes that's the family :)
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The marriage certificate (available on a public tree on Ancestry) his father is John
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Hi KGarrad,
so John was William's dad?
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Can you give me the link to the family tree KGarrad?
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It's on Ancestry - for which you must have a subscription.
I just did a search for William James, born 1839, Cambourne, Cornwall with a wfie Henrietta.
First hit under Family Trees.
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The marriage was 21st May 1865 St Peter Eaton Square, Pimlico Grooms Father John occ Farmer Brides Father Henry occ Butler
So who is the mother of William H b c 1863?
Keyboard86
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So William's parents were Joanna and John?
Who were their parents?
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Whose marriage is this keyboard86?
William and Henrietta?
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Answer is yes?
Keyboard86
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:) Yes
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Sorry keyboard86, getting a bit confused with it all!
Can you find John and Joanna's marriage record?
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Look as marriage 1865 whose child is William H if born c 1863 if 1871 correct, John also a Farmer not a Miner?
Keyboard86
OK in 1881 William jnr was born 1868 not 1863
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Can you find Henrietta (William James wife) in the 1841/1851/1861 census?
I think her maiden name was Burnham? Her father as you said was Henry Burnham. Can you also find who her mother was. I think it was an Elizabeth Fleming - her father John Fleming. Perhaps find a marriage record for Elizabeth Fleming and Henry Burnham?
Thanks
Tabitha :)
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1851 census
Class: HO107; Piece: 1615; Folio: 121; Page: 10
Prince Albert, Tonbridge, Kent
Burnham, Henry Head M 43 Beer House Keeper b Ramsgate, KJent
Burnham, Eliza Wife F 34 b Tonbridge
Burnham, Jane Daughter F 13 At Home b Dublin, Ireland
Burnham, Henrietta Daughter F 11 Scholar b Dublin, Ireland
Burnham, Hannah Daughter F 8 Scholar b Tonbridge
Burnham, Richard Son M 5 Scholar b London, Middlesex
Burnham, Thomas Son M 2 b Tonbridge
Burnham, Selena Daughter F 1 b Tonbridge
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Thanks KGarrad -
very odd how 2 children are born in Dublin, Ireland!
Perhaps they had family there?
Can you find a marriage certificate for Eliza and Henry?
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It's much more likely that Dad was in the Army, and stationed there?
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Yes I suppose so since as I don't think I have Irish on that side of the family :)
I think Eliza was Eliza Millis ?
Can you find a marriage record for them? Then we can find out who her father was.
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;D Hi again, once again we have Beer House Keeper to Butler, Henrietta b Middlesex London/Pimlico 2 census returns, Selina Caroline Burnham marries a James Shepherd Sept qtr 1865 St George Hanover Square 1a 496 in 1871 Selina aged 21 b Tunbridge James a Bankers Clerk aged 29 b Chelsea
Census ref RG10/843/33/59
Keyboard86
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Yes I suppose so since as I don't think I have Irish on that side of the family :)
I think Eliza was Eliza Millis ?
Can you find a marriage record for them? Then we can find out who her father was.
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Hi again, in 1891 Henrietta S James is a Widow occ Tailor/Outfitter b London with an extra son Frank aged 9 b Camborne
Census ref RG12/1850/9/11
Keyboard86
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Hi keyboard thanks for the info.
But what I would really like to know is who is Henry Burnham's wife? I know her first name is Eliza - but what is her maiden name? I thought it was 'Millis' however I can't find a marriage record for her but I can find an Eliza Wheeler?
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The problem to solve is Henry the Beer House Keeper the same as Henry the Butler, Henrietta S b London/Pimlico not Ireland on 3 census returns, her death could be the one in West Ham March qtr 1898 4a 137 aged 58?
Keyboard86
PS if it helps at all, the witnesses at the 1865 marriage were a Henry Burnham and what looks like Jane Thomasine Burnham, William James occ Tailor both bride/groom resident Charlotte Street
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Hi again, in 1871 Henry in 1851 could be a Butler he is aged 63 b Ramsgate with wife Eliza 54 b Tunbridge Wells shown as a servants to a John Tatham 36 occ MD Physician b Burton in Lonsdale with a lodger Duncan Mcneill 34 occ East India Merchant b Scotland
Residing at Wilton Place, St George Hanover Square
Census ref RG10/103/35/23
Keyboard86
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Hi again, in 1861 Henry Burnham Married 53 occ Butler b Ramsgate is residing at Bolton Row, St George, Hanover Square
Census ref RG09/44/97/12
Keyboard86
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Hi keyboard86,
Thank you so much for the info - any idea of who Henry Burnham married?
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Hi keyboard86,
Thank you so much for the info - any idea of who Henry Burnham married?
;D If they married in Ireland that is out of my comfort zone, sorry?!
Keyboard86
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Aha, that's ok keyboard ;D
You've done some brilliant research for me ;)
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Hi again, well if born/married Ireland, in 1881:-
Eliza Burnham 67 Widow occ Housekeeper b Tunbridge Wells
Jane 42 b Ireland
James Vaughan 61 b Radnorshire
Residing at 54, Regent Street, St James Westminster
Census ref RG11/127/27/20
Possible death Eliza Burnham March qtr 1887 Chelsea1a 280 aged 71
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Hi does not help much re marriage but in 1871 Hannah Frances Burnham is married to a Thomas Walsh Dec qtr 1865 St George Hanover Square 1a 552 in household is Jane Burnham 33 b Ireland
Census ref RG10/136/65/2 in 1881 the family have in household Richard Burnham 35 Brother b London
Census ref RG11/117/14/21
Jane Thomasina Burnham marries a William Jackson March qtr 1884 St George Hanover Square 1a 668
In 1891 Jane Jackson 54 Widower b Dublin has in household a Helena Walsh aged 14 Niece b Pimlico
Residing at Union Road, Leyton, West Ham
Census ref RG12/1348/135/10
Keyboard86
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There is another post running about the Henry Burnham, his marriage and daughter Henrietta ::)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=711897.
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Can anyone find a marriage record for John James Joanna/Johanne please?
Thank you ;D
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Is this the marriage record? -
John James m Joanna Rule 1 February 1835 Camborne, Cornwall
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Is this her christening record?-
Joanna Rule bp 21 August 1808 St Hilary, Cornwall, daughter of John & Hannah Rule
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I am Ian James
I have the full tree below them.
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Hi again, in 1891 Henrietta S James is a Widow occ Tailor/Outfitter b London with an extra son Frank aged 9 b Camborne
Census ref RG12/1850/9/11
Keyboard86
Was that Henrietta E James her daughter?
Henrietta S Burnham had 3 children. John Roe James (my great grandfather, have picture), William H James and Henrietta E James.
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Hi Tabatha, in 1871:-
William James 33
Henrietta S 31 b Middlesex, Pimlico
William H 3
Henrietta E A 1
Residing at Chapel Street, Camborne
Census ref RG10/2323/52/50
Keyboard86
Hi lanjamsie,
1891 census above:-
Henrietta S James 52 Widow b London
William 23
Henrietta 21
John R 16
Ernest E 14
Fred H 12
Frank 9
All children born Camborne
Residing at Church Street, Camborne
Keyboard86
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That is amazing. 3 new branches I had no idea about.
My auntie only found 3.
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I wonder if you could help me.
My auntie (mom's side) said my dad's dad (Francis James) third son of John Roe James and Emma Robotham had 4 siblings.
John
Fred
Ethel
Bessie
However the family know nothing about Bessie at all.
Furthermore my dad knew Ethel as aunt Bess.
Could this be a mess up or was there a child misplaced?
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Hi the marriage was John Rowe James to Emma Robotham September qtr 1902 Walsall 6b 1100 is this correct?
Birth place, year of birth of known children please, have you family in 1911 census?
Keyboard86
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John Roe James 1875 Menheniot Cornwall died 1915 in Birmingham
Emma Robothom 1881 Brude
Married Walsall 1902
John James 1903 Bloxwich
Francis Joseph James 1908 Bloxwich
Fredrick James 1907 Bloxwich
Ethel James 1910 Birmingham
Bessie James 1911 Bloxwich
Not looked at census myself.
Sorry
Yes that matches
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Hi again, could "Bessie" be Elizabeth James March qtr 1911 Walsall 6b 690?
Keyboard86
PS the 1911 census was taken 2nd April 1911 "Bessie" was 2 weeks old
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Walsall makes more sense than Bloxwich.
Maybe she died young. One of the brothers died in a swimming pool.
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Hi again, maybe Elizabeth was not Bessie, Death Elizabeth James March qtr 1911 Walsall aged 0
Keyboard86
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That is very sad. 2 children dying young.
Fred called Jack died diving into the shallow end of a pool. Cracked his head off the bottom of the pool.
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That is very sad. 2 children dying young.
Fred called Jack died diving into the shallow end of a pool. Cracked his head off the bottom of the pool.
That death is not her, Bessie aged 2 weeks is in Kings Norton in 1911 ( Census 2nd April 1911 so cannot be her.
Keyboard86